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Started by NaviMacha7, July 20, 2012, 02:48:43 AM

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NaviMacha7

Hello! I'm new here. I really want to start HRT but it's getting really hard to find a therapist. Is it absolutely needed before starting HRT? Also, does anyone know if medicaid covers HRT? If so, does it cover it in New York? Thank you!
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Cindy

Hi NaviMacha,

Welcome to the site and do check out the rules in the Announcement section.

The rules for HRT etc appear to vary greatly between countries and from what I gather from State to State in the USA. Therapists are recommended because they address some of the basic problems people may have and are responsible in some parts of the USA for signing you off to have HRT and surgery. Surgeons will not touch you without legal letters supporting your decisions. Again these tend to have to be supported by a therapist. I imagine NY would have lots of them.

Some of the USA girls will be on later who may have more local info.

But welcome from South Australia.

Cindy   
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NaviMacha7

Thank you so much for welcoming me, Cindy! I understand needing therapy for SRS. There's kinda no going back ones you get that and it can be life changing. I actually just watched a video where a woman felt like she got SRS too soon after being on HRT for only two years. I personally would wait to 3-5 but then again, I'm pre-everything. I just don't want this process to take too long. I turned 18 in April and I want the effects of hormones to work well since I'm so young. I wish I could have started earlier. I can't live like this with this body anymore! (and the facial hair just keeps growing back.)
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Cindy

At 18 you should have good effects from HRT.

A couple of points, once you are on HRT there are irreversible effects. After a while you will be sterile, once you develop breasts they don't go away without surgery. You may lose the ability to have an erection, this seems to be quite variable as our brain is our biggest sex organ. I haven't had a spontaneous erection in at least 12 months. So it isn't something to be taken on lightly, as in I think I'll just try it, I can always stop.

When you come out to family and friends and work that you are TG and start living FT as female, there is no real way to go back.  I'm Cindy and people knew my 'male' person before hand. They accept me as Cindy, but there is no way I can suddenly go back to being 'him' again, even if I wanted to, I would be rejected, at least I think I would.

HRT doesn't stop facial hair growth, it may slow it, the only way to get rid of the facial hair is by laser and electrolysis. Laser is cheaper and quicker but only works on dark hair, skin type is also important.  Pigmented skin is a bit of a no no for laser as it can destroy melanin dark cells, effectively burning you, so dark skinned African-American girls in particular need to seek very good professional advice. If you have blonde or grey hair electrolysis is the only way at the moment.

In general forget the 'home' systems, they are no were near powerful enough for most of us. Some of the Asian girls have had success with them but they tend to have sparse dark hair.

The sorts of things you need to think about is how are you going to live your life? Will work accept you?  Can you financially afford to do this? Can you emotionally afford this?

There is no going back, is that OK with you? You may lose your family, your friends, your religion people may reject you (seems to be a USA specific problem).

These are some of the things a therapist will help with.

Once you are on HRT you need advice on; depression, as T levels drop you may become depressed, but you probably are anyway,  Headaches (migraines) and nausea may develop, mood swings, liver dysfunction, cardiac problems and increased risk of breast cancer can occur. Most of the indications are small. But they are there.

Therapists can help with all of this.

Personally it was a no brainer. The side affects meant nothing to me, I used to have morning sickness, but I almost enjoyed it :laugh:

Now everything has settled down.

In Australia the standard of care is written down legally, we have to see a psychiatrist, at a point in time we have to be seen by an independent psychiatrist, our case is discussed, we can then be recommended to a endocrinologist, who is registered to look after TG people. We the have to live RLE for at least 12 months, our case is then reassessed and then we can be recommended for surgery.

Sounds a run around. In my  case I saw my primary psychiatrist 4 times, I saw the backup once, they discussed my case in the corridor. I was given the letter, and saw the endo the following week and was on HRT that day.

I now see my primary psychiatrist about every two to four months, which is sometimes just a phone call to make sure I'm OK.

My family Dr looks after my scripts and I have blood test every few months.

One thing about all of this 'over the top' care, is that I feel very safe. I know people care about me, and that I an contact with people if I feel down or upset. I haven't, but it is there if I need to.

So.

Sorry for the long post. But what I was trying to say, is that a therapist and the right channels does have good advantages, in my opinion.

Cindy
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NaviMacha7

Thank you so much for your information Cindy! I have been looking at the effects of HRT lately as well because I am so curious and excited about it. I have slight doubts because it's a HUGE change. But I have wanted to be so much more feminine since i was about 13 years old. At 14 I have considered HRT but I just put it on the back burner for now. I'll address the points:

At first, the thought of having breasts scared and intimidated me. During my years of high school, all I wanted was a more feminine body without the breasts. But now I want breasts and the beauty of being feminine. (I know this sounds like a super shallow reason but really, there's more to this)

I know that once I start, there is no way I'd go back. It would be WAY too taxing on my health both mentally and physically (and financially).

I don't have a lot of facial hair but the longest it's ever grown is about 1/4 an inch or a little less than 1/2cm long. I know HRT doesn't stop facial hair growth but I was hoping that I could use an epilator and an after lotion or spray. I saw another video where it worked for another Transwoman, although I'm sure she meant on the body. I will be sure to ask questions in a spa or something before I get laser hair removal.

I don't know too much about my future. I plan on college and then becoming a genetic counselor, researcher or some other type of biologist/geneticist. I'm not exactly sure how much being a transwoman will affect my work. I spoke to my friends about it and they support me completely. My father will most likely never talk to me again but he's not really a big part of my life although he could help with this financially. Oh, and I don't have a religion. I personally can not afford this much financially though, which is why I asked if medicaid at least covers HRT in New York. This will probably be my biggest problem. I already know it doesn't cover SRS in New York but I heard it has in other states. I could be wrong about that though. My family won't want me to do it but they don't want to exclude me or shun me. I think I'd have some support when it becomes final but for right now it's in the dark.

Oh no! Morning sickness? I already get those. I already graduated, but when i would go to school in the morning i would get sick on the subway ride there. I would get dizzy, nauseated and my stomach would hurt and I would even start getting warm. But I'll be sure to have my doctor check everything first (which I'm sure they will do).

All in all, I feel like I really want this but it's a bit difficult to find a therapist. I'll call another center later (when I wake up from getting some sleep  :laugh: )

Thank you

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Cindy

Getting nausea without hormones is freaky. Get it checked.

Biology and /ormedicine are good fields.  I'm a Pathologist. When I came out the earth moved, at least it seemed like that.

I stood still and let it quake.

I'm still standing :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Cindy
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NaviMacha7

I think they are good fields! However the amount of work I'd have to do scares me. I didn't do so well during high school lol.
I probably should get that whole morning sickness thing checked. I suspect it's because I don't eat in the mornings. But then again, even when I do, I still get sick sometimes.
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Asfsd4214

Quote from: Cindy James on July 20, 2012, 04:58:27 AM
In Australia the standard of care is written down legally, we have to see a psychiatrist, at a point in time we have to be seen by an independent psychiatrist, our case is discussed, we can then be recommended to a endocrinologist, who is registered to look after TG people. We the have to live RLE for at least 12 months, our case is then reassessed and then we can be recommended for surgery.

Uhh, where? I am aware of nothing pertaining to the standards of care anywhere in federal or any state law, I would like to see sources. And no, I will not accept "my doctor said it" as a source.

Also, I started HRT at 20 and didn't need any hair removal, your mileage may vary a lot on this.
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Cindy

Quote from: Asfsd4214 on July 20, 2012, 08:12:02 AM
Uhh, where? I am aware of nothing pertaining to the standards of care anywhere in federal or any state law, I would like to see sources. And no, I will not accept "my doctor said it" as a source.

Also, I started HRT at 20 and didn't need any hair removal, your mileage may vary a lot on this.

South Australian Gender Dysphoria Unit Standards of Care
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Kadri

Quote from: Cindy James on July 21, 2012, 01:38:57 AM
South Australian Gender Dysphoria Unit Standards of Care

Ah, but isn't that just South Australia? The regulations aren't actually written down as federal or state law anywhere, are they?

My experience in the ACT (Canberra) has been completely different from what Cindy describes, as has that of at least five other MTF and FTM trans people I know.

Many of us here have never seen an endocrinologist and have been prescribed hormones instead by some very knowledgable and conscientious doctors who keep a close eye on our blood and liver functions.  I had never seen a psychiatrist before going on hormones I had seen a counsellor who was a professional psychologist, but she had nothing to do with recommending me to the doctor. I had been living half time as a woman and I just turned upas a woman to the surgery and made and appointment. We were started on fairly low doses to see whether we liked what was happening to us, and then we adjusted things depending on our health and our needs. That is one of the advantages you get from living in the fireworks and porn capital of Australia. (Pity about the fireworks though...)

As far as the therapy for depression for low T levels and mood swings is concerned, I cannot agree more with Cindy, at least in my own case. I am seeing a psychiatrist in Sydney who I hope will give me my letter for SRS, that is costing a lot, but he is rather nice, and he has pointed out a couple of ways to deal with the depression on the way. I actually enjoy the sessions I have with him, and get a lot out of them.
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Randi

Some clinics use the "Informed Consent" model.  If you are a sane healthy adult and are willing to take responsibility for your choices, you can receive HRT there without extensive counseling.

https://www.susans.org/wiki/Informed_consent

Callen-Lorde in NYC is one of them.

http://www.callen-lorde.org/transgender.html


Quote from: NaviMacha7 on July 20, 2012, 02:48:43 AM
Hello! I'm new here. I really want to start HRT but it's getting really hard to find a therapist. Is it absolutely needed before starting HRT? Also, does anyone know if medicaid covers HRT? If so, does it cover it in New York? Thank you!
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Catherine Sarah

Well from my experience, I would highly recommend a good gender therapist. A good one is able to get behind our defenses we normally put up, either consciously or sub consciously and bring the real pain, hurt and other stuff out so it can be dealt with.

And I defy anyone to tell me they don't have stuff that needs to be dealt with.

So in your master plan to build a new exotic car, is it wise to use old rusty bits and pieces from other models in preference to newly machined and manufactured parts?

I would think when building a new YOU, you'd prefer not to have any broken bits hiding in the recesses of your mind, waiting for the wrong moment to jump out and surprise you.

Be safe, well and happy
Lotsa huggs
Catherine




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crazy old bat

Yes, it is needed. I mean, serioiusly, changing sex is pretty darned crazy if you aren't in our shoes. Plus it does seem to add a bit of legitimacy to your transition and that can help things go easier for you with others.
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MariaMx

Quote from: Catherine Sarah on July 21, 2012, 10:55:53 AM
And I defy anyone to tell me they don't have stuff that needs to be dealt with.
I went through transition without any therapy at all and it worked out great.
"Of course!"
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Nygeel

Therapy isn't always needed in order to obtain hormones but it is usually recommended. Further down the road, if you wanted surgery you will probably need a therapist's letter in order to get surgery. I went to therapy for 3 months, felt it was going nowhere and quit due to the expense and just overall lack of getting closer to what I wanted. Medicaid can cover transgender care depending on your area. I would suggest calling your provider and asking.
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Asfsd4214

Quote from: Cindy James on July 21, 2012, 01:38:57 AM
South Australian Gender Dysphoria Unit Standards of Care

The gender dysphoria unit does not that I'm aware of have any legal obligation to follow any one particular standards of care, so that doesn't really answer my question.
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Asfsd4214

Quote from: Catherine Sarah on July 21, 2012, 10:55:53 AM
Well from my experience, I would highly recommend a good gender therapist. A good one is able to get behind our defenses we normally put up, either consciously or sub consciously and bring the real pain, hurt and other stuff out so it can be dealt with.

And I defy anyone to tell me they don't have stuff that needs to be dealt with.

So in your master plan to build a new exotic car, is it wise to use old rusty bits and pieces from other models in preference to newly machined and manufactured parts?

I would think when building a new YOU, you'd prefer not to have any broken bits hiding in the recesses of your mind, waiting for the wrong moment to jump out and surprise you.

Be safe, well and happy
Lotsa huggs
Catherine

I do not recognize the legitimacy, scientific basis or competency of the medical establishment either psychiatry or psychology to be able to "deal with" these sorts of issues nor that these issues inherently need to be "dealt with" in the manner described.

And as an adult I do not recognize their authority to govern my life or my existence. I don't care what inane excuses supposedly in my own interest they contrive.

Isn't it sorta ironic, psychs treat us like children in giving us their advice and then call us children again if we elect not to follow it.

VIVA LA REVOLUCION
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Catherine Sarah

Quote from: crazy old bat on July 21, 2012, 10:58:41 AM
Yes, it is needed. I mean, seriously, changing sex is pretty darned crazy if you aren't in our shoes. Plus it does seem to add a bit of legitimacy to your transition and that can help things go easier for you with others.

+1.

Quote from: MariaMx on July 21, 2012, 11:02:40 AM
I went through transition without any therapy at all and it worked out great.

I think you missed my point completely. I was referring to "therapy" being necessary, as per the OP question. I wasn't referring to transitioning at all.

Thus my challenge remains, as stated.

Be safe, well and happy.
Lotsa huggs
Catherine




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Asfsd4214

People are sheep enslaved to the classist medical establishment. Thinking that the godlike wisdom of their betters qualifications entitles them to knowledge and advice unattainable by mear mortals such as ourselves.

Yes yes I know I'm being very dramatic and theatrical. But what I'm getting at is stop assuming people know better than you because some instutiton says they are and learn to think for yourselves!
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Alexis

I don't know if therapy was absolutely needed, but I can say that it was invaluable for me for confidence and for figuring out what came next as well as dealing with all the issues that came up related to transitioning. Nobody was telling me who I was or wasn't, I didn't need someone to tell me that.
As for cost, it wasn't fun as I don't have insurance coverage. I was paying $110/50 min session, although I think that my therapist also works on a sliding scale if needed to help accomodate. In the beginning I was going weekly for about a month and a half, then down to 1-2 times per month for a a few months and since I've started hrt I still go back once every 2 or 3 months just to kinda sort things out for myself. Just came back from an appt. this morning actually. So yea, highly reccomended
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