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Started by Rena-san, September 07, 2012, 03:09:09 PM

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Rena-san

My number one priority right now is getting a job so that I can leave my parents' house--who are unsupportive of me and very hateful towards me. The problem I have is that I've sorta crossed that point of no return--I don't look very male anymore, at least not in the professional sense that one needs to be hired as a male--though I feel I still get stares. I kinda hate my life, but love it o so much now that I've found happiness.

Anyway, my legal name is a male name; there is no denying it. Its not a name like Jaime or Alex. I filled the papers to get my name changed, but my county has a $500 fee including the ad in the newspaper part. I don't have that kinda of money cause I can't get a job. Its like a damn catch 22--I hated that novel by the way.

I finally got fed up of putting my legal name on job applications knowing that when I went to an interview I would be immediately discredited and discriminated against, so I have begun to just put my preferred name and plan on informing my employer when the time feels right of my legal name. I'm aware they could and will pry fire me or deny me the job then on the grounds that I lied on the application, but really I didn't lie because it didn't ask for my "legal name." And plus, if they fire me then I would feel I have a better case to argue discrimination.

Any advice? Surely someone else on this site has been in this situation before. I know I've asked this question a few times now, I just don't know what to do. 
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Julie Wilson

I think TrueSelves.com has a name change section.  I left that site because Kathy Gnome only seems to care about creating cookie-cutter transgender people. 

$500 seems excessive, maybe use your parent's credit card?

Try a different court house.

Research it online.

I think it cost me fifty dollars or less.

I would be more helpful (perhaps) if I knew where you lived but since I don't I have no idea what the rules and costs are.

There is a website called TGRoadmap (or something), maybe they have more information for you on name change.
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dumb bunny

I'm pretty sure lying on an application would actually give them a better reason for dismissing you than just being trans. Wouldn't makes much of a case for you to argue.


edit;  Also I'm pretty sure you should put the same name that is on file for you at social security as that has to match the name that is associated with your number. 
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Brooke777

Most large companies have a section on the application marked "nickname/preferred name" Use that section to put your female name. They want your legal name on the application for security checks and so forth. That way they know who they are hiring.

As for the name change fee, that seems really high. I live in Washington State and it is only $50. I would agree with the post suggestion TSRoadmap. That is a good site with a lot of information.

Good luck.
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Dana_H

In the U.S., you could run into problems right away when they try to set up your payroll withholding and the name you gave does not match the SSN you gave. It's not necessarily illegal (from the govt point of view) as long as the SSN is really your own and you are not trying to evade your legal and financial responsibilities (i.e. you are not trying to duck taxes or to pass yourself as another person, which would be fraud or identity theft), but the HR department and the IRS will insist that your tax paperwork reflect the name associated with your SSN. Lying about it could be grounds for rejection of application or termination of employment. Best to use your legal name on all official paperwork and use your preferred name anywhere a preferred name or nickname is discussed.

Additionally, with all the political controversy surrounding immigration, many employers now use the e-Verify check before hiring. If that throws up a mismatch between name and SSN, it's a pretty good bet that you will not get the job.

If the apparent gender of your name and the sex listed on your application do not match, it may be difficult to prove that is the reason you were not hired, which sux. However, making inappropriate comments about you or openly mocking your gender presentation could be regarded as harassment whether you get hired or not... if you have a witness or it gets caught on camera. They may not approve of your gender situation, but they are required to treat you with certain basic dignity just the same as if they didn't approve of your religion, handicap, or whatever else might be apparent from your appearance or mannerisms. If you are harassed in such a way, it's up to you to decide if it is worth talking to a lawyer or if you are better off just moving on to the next potential employer.

(Yeah, I just went through my employer's annual ethics and workplace harassment refresher training today.)
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: Brooke777 on September 07, 2012, 04:57:00 PM
Most large companies have a section on the application marked "nickname/preferred name" Use that section to put your female name. They want your legal name on the application for security checks and so forth. That way they know who they are hiring.

As for the name change fee, that seems really high. I live in Washington State and it is only $50. I would agree with the post suggestion TSRoadmap. That is a good site with a lot of information.

Good luck.

Damn, where'd you go girl? In Snohomish County it was $120...60 for the filing fee, 60 for the court clerk fee (iirc)...but just 4 days later and HEY PRESTO I had my new name!

No newspaper announcement, either!
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Arch

For the name change, look into a fee waiver for low-income folks. You might have to scour the website or call a real person, but it's worth it. Five hundred is steep.
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britt27

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse, but yes, you do not want to enter anything other than your legal name into any name portion of an application other than the preferred name/nickname portion.  As soon as they try to run a background check on you it is going to raise questions as to why the person listed under the SSN and the person applying do not share the same name.  It probably won't cause you trouble outside of never getting a call back.  That at least is in the US, don't know where you are exactly.

Your best bet given your situation is to apply as your current self.  Even if you appear androgynous at the moment, that gives no legal basis for them to refuse employment to you.  Then, when you are truly ready to make a full transition, you can come out to your boss.

I've worked with gays and androgynous individuals of both genders before, and there was no discrimination in the work place.  It was a good company, as many are these days, because the legal ramifications and media backfire for not being so would be horrendous for them*.  Plus, and maybe I'm optimistic, but I like to believe that at least the educated people in this country are becoming more receptive.

Anyway, let us know how your job search goes!

*Outside of goddamn Chic-Fil-A.  Just don't apply for a company that openly states that they are an extremely religious company.  Damn!  Its a shame because their sandwiches are good.
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