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Can you spot a transsexual just by looking at her eyes?

Started by Carlita, February 01, 2013, 06:27:35 AM

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Zoe Louise Taylor

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on November 06, 2013, 05:23:20 AM
That's true. As a guy (I use that term loosely as I was never like a guy and rarely had short hair) you will never be part of that crowd, that essence of being male won't ever be there. For me I never felt part of that and guys could see that I wasn't like them, but girls wanted to be my friend and confide in me.

Totally agree with this! i did quite a masculine course at university, and there were only boys in the course. I never felt i fitted in and would never be invited on nights out etc, But i lived in a house with all girls, and it just seemed as though girls understood me better than boys, and that i found it a lot easier to fit in with them! I was still massively in denial at this point, and tried so hard to get on with the boys on my course, and really tried to be "one of the lads"! I just wish that i hadn't have denied my trans feelings for so long, things would be so much easier now if i'd have just accepted who i am!! :/

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Carlita

Quote from: Zoe Louise Taylor on November 06, 2013, 05:16:18 AM
One of my close freinds saw me as Zoe for the first time a couple of weekends ago, and said something that is true.
She said that she always felt that there was something missing with me, and that she could see that there was something vacant in me. She then said that i looked a lot more happier as a girl, and she could see that spark in my eyes for the first time!

Also my therapist often says that from the first time she saw me, i look alot happier and she's often saying she can see that im my eyes!!

So yes i think that the eyes do give away alot. Perhaps you wont be able to tell that someone is transexual just by looking at there eyes, but i think people couild see that there was something troubling me and that i have been unhappy, and now ive come out and am dealing with this the pain and unhappyness is gradually leaving and i just look happier!! :)

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Speaking as the author of the original post, I think you've pretty much expressed what my therapist, who has a LOT of experience looking after MTF ladies was talking about. I think it's the idea that there's a second, female self that we're hiding as long as we're living our male lives ... and sometimes we can't help but let that female self show herself, even if it's subconscious.

I know from my own experience that when I look back at my life - a lot of which has been truly amazing, in terms of the places I've been and the people I've met - one of my biggest regrets is that through all these incredible experiences I've never felt I was truly present in the moment. At some level it feels like it all happened to someone else, because the person I really am had to be hidden ... like I was playing a part all the time, not being true to myself.

And I think that's what my therapist saw straight away ... and I believe her when she talks about seeing something in a transsexual's eyes. After all, the eyes are a window to the soul ... and our souls have a very particular burden to carryr ...
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vlmitchell

Wow... this thread has gone all over.

To the OP: The brain is really, really good at figuring out all sorts of things by visual cues with regards to the face. We're constantly evaluating everyone around us through a set of learned behaviors that tell us things about the person whose face we're looking at. There are large areas of the brain both in the active cerebral cortex and the passive so-called 'reptilian brain' that are specifically tuned to tell things about the person in question. Now, all those impulses can be filtered through the conscious mind and have perspective bias buuuuut I'd wager that, properly trained, someone can tell various things about certain types of people.

To that, we all learn certain things about how to express ourselves through observation. Mannerisms, expressions, movement speeds, etc. are all learned through a process of appropriation as a child. The parent that we identify with gender (or maybe sex) wise is the one that we copy most thoroughly so, given that trans chicks are female and have some sort of auto-identification that makes that tick (though we don't become aware of it until about three or so, developmentally), I'd say that it's very possible to postulate a theory whereby ways in which we express ourselves using said learned behavior could be an indicator of gender (or as I'm going to start calling it: brain sex).

Add to that the fact that the eyes are the most visible sign of distress and turmoil and we've got a pretty easy little formula: feminine facial expressions + obvious signs of emotional distress = voila!

It doesn't always have to be 'woo' stuff, ya'll.

FWIW, my partner was pretty easily able to tell that I was trans by observing a lot of the same things. She wouldn't even call me 'handsome' pre transition, always opting to stay silent on the matter. When I asked her about it not too long before I popped, she told me that she couldn't see me as anything but 'beautiful' because there was something about my eyes that just didn't seem to be anything but.
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Northern Jane

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on November 06, 2013, 05:31:24 AMBut are you are saying your eyes didn't look female? or the other way round?

They DID look female, or something did!

Quote from: Victoria Mitchell on November 06, 2013, 08:42:14 AMTo that, we all learn certain things about how to express ourselves through observation. Mannerisms, expressions, movement speeds, etc. are all learned through a process of appropriation as a child.

That is the part that has puzzled me because, in my case, I didn't have to move, speak, or anything else but one look at me and I was almost universally gendered as female, even when the situation should have resulted in the opposite conclusion. Since transition (nearly 40 years ago) I have often been referred to as anything from "cute" to "beautiful" by those who know nothing of my past so there is something about my face, even now in my 60s, that was and still is very feminine but I don't know what it is. (But I am grateful LOL!)
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Xhianil

Quote from: Carlita on February 01, 2013, 06:27:35 AM
I went to see my counsellor a couple of days ago. It was the second time I'd been. The first time was with my wife and it did NOT go well. So then I went by myself and it was a load better.

Anyway, early on in the second meeting my counsellor (who's been dealing with TS's for more than 20 years and is very well-respected in the community) said, 'I knew you were transsexual from the moment you walked through the door.'

Well, I still present as male, and I don't act remotely femme, or even androgynous, so I was surprised and asked her how she could tell. She said, 'It's the eyes.' Then she laughed (kindly) and told me how she and one of her girls had been chatting about 'Trannie Eyes' just the other day and saying how there was a certain look all MTFs had. My counsellor said, 'It's like looking in the mirror and seeing two people reflected. Every so often you can see the other person, the woman who's trying to get out, popping up and saying, "I'm here!!"'

Well, it made me think. So can any of you girls spot another transsexual by the look in her eyes? Or anything else, come to that ...

I think it's more of the sadness that is unhideable sometimes, if you look at me for a second you could very easily see just how depressed and alone i am.
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Carlita

Quote from: Xhianil on November 06, 2013, 11:15:17 AM
I think it's more of the sadness that is unhideable sometimes, if you look at me for a second you could very easily see just how depressed and alone i am.

I'm afraid to say I think you might be right about that sadness ...

And, yes, Victoria, what you say makes a lot of sense. What is described as 'intuition' is really just a process - both conscious and unconscious - of detailed observation. It's often described as 'feminine intuition' because women tend to be (by and large, and with due caution towards any gender-based generalisation) more detailed observers of other people and their emotions than men are. And I think women tend to display their emotions more openly and freely than men do. So I guess it's not surprising if a woman can spot the female element in what appears to be a man ...
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Xhianil

Quote from: Carlita on November 06, 2013, 11:43:56 AM
I'm afraid to say I think you might be right about that sadness ...

How can you not be sad in the wrong body?
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Carlita

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Xhianil

Quote from: Carlita on November 06, 2013, 11:49:02 AM
Quite.

Good thing not many seem to see it unless they have seen it before and care about someone, probably why I'm not noticed for it.
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kariann330

My therapist said it wasn't just my eyes but my entire body. The way i walked, the way i sat, the way i talked, everything to her screamed that i am transgender and have been beaten down from the years of denial, and the real me screaming to come out.
I need a hero to save me now, i need a hero to save my life, a hero will save me just in time!!

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Tessa James

Prior to my self acceptance and beginning transition I frequently felt that my eyes were the only part of my image that was really me.  It is wonderful to now look in the mirror and see more of the girl that shadowed me for so long.

And what, pray tell, do we see in the eyes of a transsexual man????
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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LordKAT

Quote from: Tessa James on November 06, 2013, 04:16:44 PM
And what, pray tell, do we see in the eyes of a transsexual man????

Why your dreams come true of course.
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Tessa James

Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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oliviapril

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