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Started by Jillieann Rose, September 07, 2012, 10:57:48 PM

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Jillieann Rose

On Friday August 31, 2012 I wore a female cotton top to work.
From what the Executive Director had lead me to believe was that it was okay and in fact a good thing for Goodwill that I would transition at work. She had told me several times that she wanted me to move forward but to do it at my own pace.
That morning I had a few people that seemed to be unease with my choice of attire.
During the day I talked to most of the people, which I am supervisor over, as I check the parts they had worked on. Conversations like what they were planning for the long weekend. What I was planning. Before very lone most of them seemed to relax; I believe they realizing that I was still the same person.

One person I singled out and ask to come to my desk. He has a mental disability and had been puzzled about my physical changes including my eyebrows and even my fingernail polish. As I began to tell him about my physical birth defect, that I was actual a female and was correcting the defeat. In the process of sharing this the contract shop manager (my boss) hold at me to send the mental disabled man back to his seat.
I also talked to other clients while helping some of the other supervisors checking parts. They may or may not have been upset with my attire but I did not notice any anxiety toward me. From what I observer most of the upset people were not the physically or mentally disabled by hired employees and the Contract Shop Manager.
As the day worn on all seem well.

On Thursday September 3, 2012, in the afternoon, I was told I would have a meeting with the Executive Director and the Contract Shop Manager right after I finished my work for the day. In the late morning of the same day I was asked by my boss, the Contract Shop Manager to give the Executive Director and copy of all of the computer passwords.  I complied and she had a copy in the morning.  My other job at Goodwill is PC technician.

At about 5:15 pm I was ushered into the conference room by my boss and the door was shut. I was nervous and it is very emotional even to remember but I will try to share the conversation in the meeting that lasted about 15 minutes.

I was then told by my boss, the Contract Shop Manager, that I had upset the shop, employees and clients, with my attire on Friday August 31, 2012. That it had actually reduced the productivity of the shop.
I admitted that I had noticed that some people seem a little upset on Friday and had not know that the top show off my body as much as it did. Because of that I had went back to wearing the baggy Goodwill t-shirts.
The Executive Director shared that she too was concerned about the productivity and that she was considering moving me off the floor and maybe to a job in a store. She ask about my transitioning plans and for information or a plan to help the clients accept my transitioning. The Executive Director went on to say that of course the employees would have to accept me. I shared that I was already living full time as a women and had to live this way for a year before I would qualified for surgery. The Contract Shop Manager said that the clients would never accept me.

The Executive Director said that if it continued to disrupt the shop that I would be moved off the floor and to a store.  I said that I would not wear that top in the shop again. My boss said, "I never wanted to see you in a dress." I then began to speak but he cut me off and said, "in the shop I mean".
He also told me that they had to call in the CMH councilor for the mentally imparted person that I had took aside to talk to and that I did not have the knowledge to share with him. I was shock and said that I was sorry and only tried to help him to understand.

The Executive Director went on to say that they wanted to know my future plans. My boss added that he would need time to train another person. I told them my tentative plans and that I would inform them of any progress.
I was also ask about my name change and how they would deal with it.
My response was that I would turn in a name change and needed my paychecks with that legal name on them. I added that as far as what people would call me I said they could call me Jac (Jack) or Jacie (Jackie) I was not going to insisted on either of the names.

My boss, The Contract Shop Manager, told me that I was a good worker and that he had no problem with it. My boss also told me that they had been very good to me.
He also said to be careful, that what I was doing was dangerous for me, with the kind of people that are here.


This morning I turned in a request for a document of the drop of productivity that happened last Friday the 31 and caused the special dress code. I later found out that the numbers had not been compiled until late this morning, Friday September 7, 2012. Also the CMH councilor for the mentally disabled man I had talked to on Friday, about my transition, wanted to talked to me, his supervisor, before a counseling session with the man.
We talked about how he was behaving and than he told me that if any of such and such happened to call him right away. I shared that I was transsexual and ask if I had I upset the man the Friday before. He said no I hadn't. The CMH counselor said that I had acted properly and that it was the right thing for me to do to help the man to understand and not be upset.

About a 15 minutes before I was to go home today, September
7, 2012, I was told that the Executive Director wanted to talk to me right away. I step into the conference room. Both my boss and the Executive Director walked into the room and  the door was closed. The Director ask what the note she had received from me was about because it was confusing to her. She said that they had not imposed a special dress code for me. I said that I want documentation of the reduction of productivity last Friday, August 30th 2012. And that I would like a documentation for my records, for my psychologist and that I would share it with the trans community. I went on to say it would be good for education purposes because of the diverse workforce we have.
My boss, the Shop Manager, ask wasn't it obvious the disruption you caused?  Didn't you know that that is why I let the shop out at 4pm and hour earlier than normal because of the reduction in production? (DO realize that it was Friday of the Labor Day Weekend and we all had believed that was why we were able to leave early.)
I said that I had noticed a little uneasiness, and felt I had relieved most of it very quickly, but no seen any real reduction of productivity.  He counter that I must have seen the numbers that day because I always recorded them. My response was yes I had and that I do know what the normal numbers, count of finished parts, the people I supervise are on a daily bases. I had seen no said reduction in productivity. I went on to say that I had noticed that he had been upset by my outfit and that I was sorry that he had been upset. My boss said nothing more.
The Executive Director said that she now understood what I had asked for and dismissed me from the meeting.


I am hurt and feel discriminated against.
Do plan on leaving this palce as so as I get another job.
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Ms. OBrien CVT

They are discriminatory towards you.  It is obvious that they have the problem.  Is there any form of diversity acceptance?

  
It does not take courage or bravery to change your gender.  It takes fear of living one more day in the wrong one.~me
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jesse

this sounds like back handed discrimination by saying how good they have been to you while simultaniously imposing restrictions unfortunatly in my state their is no protection from discrimination against trans people
like a knife that cuts you the wound heals but them scars those scars remain
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Cindy

Very obvious straight forward discrimination. Keep a copy of all records and keep a diary of all meetings and is possible a transcript of them. I have no ides of your local laws but I would certainly be checking up on them. If you can get any comments supportive or otherwise from colleagues in writing. Particularly from people such as the case worker for the mentally disabled member. Evidence is everything in these situations, even if it comes down to notes in your diary about comments made at interview.

I would also check and write down what clothing other woman in your job area are wearing. Again I do not know your local laws but document everything.

Sorry you are going through this.

Hugs

Cindy
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JenniL

Yea sounds like flat out discrimination to me. I would look up your state law and see if your state has gender identification written in the anti-discrimination  law for the state or even the companies policy. Never hurts to check though:

http://www.hrc.org/files/assets/resources/Employment_Laws_and_Policies.pdf

But as Cindy said make sure to keep documentation of everything going forward.

I am sorry you are going through this as well.

Jennifer


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JoanneB

Quote from: Cindy James on September 08, 2012, 03:20:42 AM
Very obvious straight forward discrimination. Keep a copy of all records and keep a diary of all meetings and is possible a transcript of them. I have no ides of your local laws but I would certainly be checking up on them. If you can get any comments supportive or otherwise from colleagues in writing. Particularly from people such as the case worker for the mentally disabled member. Evidence is everything in these situations, even if it comes down to notes in your diary about comments made at interview.

I would also check and write down what clothing other woman in your job area are wearing. Again I do not know your local laws but document everything.

Sorry you are going through this.

Hugs

Cindy
Having been in mamgement as well spending all my working career out on the manufacturing floor Cindy covered things very well. Document everything! To the most trivial detail because you never know what really counts and you will soon forget them.

US labor law is basically 3-strikes and you are out. Which means an employer can fire you  ONLY after 3 written warnings unless it is for some gross violation of company policy that clearly stataes you will be terminated immediately for. The employee must also sign these warnings to acknowledge have see or recieved it. THere may or may not be 2 different places to sign Usually 2 just to make it clear what they are signing or agreeing to.

In this case do not sign in agreement to causing a disruption. What happened has far from it. Their harping on about production being down is likely a reflection of a shorter work day, but even the number did not bear out their claim. BTW - In about 40 years of working I've never seen a Friday afternoon before a long holiday weekend have the same productivity as a normal week
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Jayne

"My boss also told me that they had been very good to me."

Oh, that old chestnut!
Employers love pulling that line out of the filling cabinet as they line you infront of a firing squad, my last employer went out of their way to try & get rid of me, by the time they announced redundancy I jumped at the chance to get out of there.
I kept hearing that line so many times from them that by the end I wanted to shout at them to stop insulting my intelligence by bleating it again & again.

In the UK we are entitled to take a fellow emplyee into meetings as a witness, the workmate who went into one meeting with me said it was amazing how I tied them in little knots, she said it was great fun seeing the HR manager squirm & have to back peddle.

If you have this option then please use it, don't rely on minutes of a meeting as they are only as accurate as the person taking the notes & can be written up in such a way as to back up the company, i've seen this before with myself & others who i've been a witness for.

I struggle to keep up with the ever changing employment laws in the UK so I can't offer any real advice for other countries so i'll wish you all the best from the other side of the big pond.

Big hug

Jayne
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Jillieann Rose

QuoteLANSING MICHIGAN — Legislation set to be introduced Thursday would prohibit employers, landlords and others in Michigan from discriminating based on sexual orientation or gender identity.

Sen. Rebekah Warren, D-Ann Arbor, announced her second shot at amending the state's civil rights law to add protections for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender residents.

The Elliott-Larsen Civil Rights Act of 1976 prohibits discrimination in employment, housing and public accommodations based on religion, race, color, national origin, age, sex, height, weight, familial status, or marital status, but not sexual orientation, gender identity or expression.
Well that not much help.
Thank you for the kind words and suggestions.
I get a sheet each week of all the workers production percentages so even though I ask them for the documentation. I have all I need in the weekly reports to figure it out myself.
Oh I think I freaked them out when I told them that my grandchildren had no problem accepting me but it's the adults that have problems. So many of our mentally disabled should have little problem but it is the adult minds that have problems. Then I looked at my boss and said I know you do. And I am sorry that I shocked you.
Only the Executive Director with hesitation spoke after that and I was able to leave.
I am documenting everything now and will not give them a reason to get rid of me.
My coworker and good friend said she would back me up. She was the first one I told at work and has treated me like a women from that day forward.
In those type of meetings and do not have an recourse to bring someone else in.
This is a nonproft charitable organization who's main purpose is to help people work in paticular the special needs people.

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Julie Wilson

I'm sorry I don't have anything useful to contribute.  I admire your strength and courage.  I haven't had a regular job since transition.
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Jillieann Rose

Noey,
I am sorry that your having such and hard time of it.
Hopefully things will change for you.
Here is a big hug for you,
Jillieann
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DanicaCarin

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Jillieann,

As many have suggested, document everything. And I hope this is all a "Big misunderstanding" on your employers part! With that said, I work in a liberal state(Mass), in a community that is ULTRA LIBERAL, and for an organization that "claims" to be in lock step with state & local laws regarding GLBT issues.

I haven't even "come out" yet and have experienced uncomfortable looks/reactions from some of my coworkers. My best girl friend who told me that ""trans" people will never pass", now swears I am at a point that people can't tell my gender. That I don't look like a female, but don't look like a male. Yet, I still get looks that would indicate I was dressed in a stereotypical outfit of a prostitute!  :'(

If I had to take a guess, my HR would be "luke" warm at supporting me as is(Going full time). They would follow the States legal requirements to the letter. I guess my point is to be cautious how you proceed. Talk with your therapist and if you have the $$ a legal specialist. Don't trust your employer, or there legal obligations. $$$ rules the "roost" and will determine how you are treated(Sadly)! ::)

Best(& hugs)

Dani
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