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Anybody with someone who is having trouble with them having top surgery??

Started by JCH84, August 25, 2012, 01:05:41 AM

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JCH84

I am going to be having top surgery in a couple of months and although my partner is supportive and wants me to have this surgery cause she knows its important to me, she is emotionally having trouble with it. we have been together for 10 years and I did sort of drop all of this on her about a year and a half ago so shes had a lot to take in , in a short time, but i was just wondering if there were any other people out there who were going through the same thing or anyone with advice or anything, she doesn't really have a support system other than me and i think she needs someone besides me, someone to talk to ABOUT me...anyway let me know
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Arch

Hi, and welcome. I have to say that support for significant others is sparse. The trans man group in my town has an offshoot meeting for significant others, but I don't think that's too common. Do you have an FTM group or a trans group in your area?

Some SOFFAs see their own therapists for a little while.

My partner was not cool with my top surgery, but by the time I actually had it done, he had already broken up with me. He found some relief on a support site--I think it was associated with Helen Boyd. But the people there, he said, were mostly bitter wives of MTFs. Eventually, he had to stop going to the site because it was so depressing. But it helped in the beginning. Still, it doesn't sound like a good fit for your partner.

We have a number of significant others here at Susan's, though. Could she come here? Would you both be comfortable with that?
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henrytwob

Its a tough call. Evan without the chest surgery. I am having issues here, and I am married to a man. People fall in love with others and part of that is their perception of that person being A or Z. And unfortunately, gender is a huge thing. It makes our partners then have to question their identity and attraction. Additionally, there is some of, " if you loved me, you wouldn't do this/ be this way/ feel this way", etc. Top surgery just takes an idea - and makes it much more visible. Many spouses can probably tolerate female partners dressing/ acting more masculine (I'm not sure MTFs have this same luxury). However, chopping off boobs cements an identity that partners are not comfortable with. My spouse has told me on many occasions "if i knew you were a guy, I wouldn't have married you". The more I masculinize

my body, the less attracted to me he becomes.

Plus, it also goes back to identity.  If you transition, you would go from being seen as a lesbian couple, perhaps also part of that community - to being a heterosexual couple. I've been reading a book called feminine masculinity, and that is apparently a huge issue.

If I transitioned, my husband would go from us being in what could be considered "mainstream, heterosexual" to being a gay couple. My husband is fairly open minded, and he would argue till the cows come home that he is not homophobic, however, that concept basically stops his heart. That is not part of his identity,  and he never expected to face a situation where it would be.

Maybe counseling would work?
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Robert Scott

I have been with my wife for 12 years and currently looking at having top surgery --- i have some medical issues that is delaying it.  Our therapist asked her how she felt about it -- her response was -"he has never gotten sexual arousal from them and I haven't been allowed to mess with them for several years so techinically speaking I shouldn't be missing anything -- however it is a bit sad. She is supportive b/c she knows how much it means to me - but not looking forward to it.
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androgynoid

My ex-partner is the kind to bottle stuff up and not want to talk to anyone. However, he shares a workplace with my mom and I know they talked a little about me. Do you have mutual friends who know about the surgery? Barring that, if you're seeing a therapist, she could join you for a session, or maybe see a therapist of her own.

My ex had a hard time coming to grips with the fact that my body would be changing. I think he was more worried about the social aspect of being in public with someone who's visibly gender-variant (he identifies as straight, and I didn't used to bind very often), and having the possibility of needing to explain things to people. He's a private person, and doesn't like to rock the boat. However, he saw how much my life was improved by just having a date set, and that helped him be really supportive about the whole thing.

Sorry, I rambled a little. It sounds like your partner is really supportive and knows how much this means to you. If she doesn't want to see a therapist, either yours or one of her own, she could come to Susan's if you're comfortable with that.
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Arch

Quote from: henrytwob on August 25, 2012, 11:48:43 AM
However, chopping off boobs cements an identity that partners are not comfortable with. My spouse has told me on many occasions "if i knew you were a guy, I wouldn't have married you".

Our situations were very similar, except that my ex knew who I was, almost from the very beginning. I was identifying as a cross dresser when I met him, and he knew that I had a male identity from the start. By the end of the first year, he knew that it wasn't just play, it was who I was. That didn't seem to help him later on when I started T or began making plans for top surgery.

Quote from: henrytwob on August 25, 2012, 11:48:43 AM
I've been reading a book called feminine masculinity, and that is apparently a huge issue.
Do you mean Female Masculinity, by Judith Halberstam? Pretty good book, a little diffuse, and as I recall, her FTM material didn't really venture out of the lesbian world. That's what you are referring to, isn't it--lesbian partners and the threat to their lesbian identity?

Quote from: henrytwob on August 25, 2012, 11:48:43 AM
If I transitioned, my husband would go from us being in what could be considered "mainstream, heterosexual" to being a gay couple. My husband is fairly open minded, and he would argue till the cows come home that he is not homophobic, however, that concept basically stops his heart. That is not part of his identity,  and he never expected to face a situation where it would be.

I think my ex was coming from a similar space, except that when I was in my twenties and thirties, he didn't mind that we were "mistaken" for a gay couple. I guess as long as he could call it a mistake and as long as I didn't change my body, he could play with the idea. Things changed pretty fast when he was confronted by the concept of living as the partner of a man.

I once asked him what he would do if I actually HAD to have surgery because of cancer or something. He did not react well, and he refused to answer. When I actually did transition, I had no intention of changing my bottom half, so I didn't QUITE understand why cutting off my chesticles would be such a loss. I kept thinking, "Would you stop loving me if I had cancer and had no choice but to have the surgery?" I wanted him to look at it that way. But on the flip side, I knew that soon I would start looking like a guy, and and I knew that practically all women who have mastectomies want their chests reconstructed. I sure as hell didn't.

I don't suppose any of my musings help you, JCH84. But if you consider your top surgery to be a life-saving measure, perhaps your partner can see it that way, too? I don't know what to tell you. So many lesbian partners go through this.
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Natkat

my mom had trouble with it, but I guess it helped as she got in some sort of suport group.
I dont know if you got those in your areas, but where im from there is suport groups for like parrents of Gay lesbian or trans people.. so my mom got to talk to other parrents who got transgender children and hear about there experience and so.
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Arch

Natkat, are you talking about a PFLAG group, perhaps?

My local PFLAG group was supposed to have a trans support group or a group that specifically included trans allies, but I was never able to find out anything more about it. Anyway, my ex wouldn't have gone. But the OPs partner might be able to find a PFLAG group or just a queer allies group at the closest LGBT center.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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lilacwoman

What needs to be remembered about top surgery is that all US males have been conditioned since birth and Playboy to worship the nicely shaped bosom so while a loving male may accept his partners loss of one or both breasts to cancer surgery the women will still be quite feminine but a FtM who loses the breasts will lose all femininity in the eyes of most males - and assuming that FtM partners actually do have male brain sex then they too will not be too happy to have a flat chest on their mates.


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aleon515

I think that one thing some lesbians might have trouble with is that they are used to being in the lesbian sub-culture and then they dont' know if they really fit anymore.

I don't know if that's the issue or not.

BTW, there is a good partner channel on youtube. I've seen a few of the videos but it doesn't really apply to my situation. It's called Tmates. Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/tmatesftm?feature=results_main

--Jay Jay
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Natkat

Quote from: Arch on August 26, 2012, 12:40:52 PM
Natkat, are you talking about a PFLAG group, perhaps?

My local PFLAG group was supposed to have a trans support group or a group that specifically included trans allies, but I was never able to find out anything more about it. Anyway, my ex wouldn't have gone. But the OPs partner might be able to find a PFLAG group or just a queer allies group at the closest LGBT center.

yeah some kind like that. my mom was to this kind of group, where she meet one of my friends who had top surgery and his mom. I just knew because I have friends who are working there, or very active in that comunety, so I used to get the last information about everything.
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DreadLOX

My wife and I are in a similar situation. We married in new York as females and then I came out as Trans shortly after. I am her only support And she wants someone one else she can comfortably talk to about me. I've only been on t 2 months so im not cconsidering top surgery yet, but I know it does bother her. The whole Trans thing is hard for her and she feels alone. Maybe they could chat or something.
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ChimeraInside

I'm in a similar situation with my (straight) husband. He'll make jokes that he was "never a boob man anyway" and so on, but then he'll make comments when we're intimate about how he likes grabbing them. I've taken to wearing a sports bra during those times to help with my dysphoria (which he's encouraged so I'll feel comfortable) so he refrains, but yeah. I can tell he's struggling with it a bit even though he's trying to be okay with it. And his new thing is trying to financially guilt me out of going for a loan for top surgery for the foreseeable future. Which makes it an impossibility. Cue anxiety.

It's difficult for us right now.

And he's in the same boat as your SO - he doesn't really have anyone for support but me, and I can't support him about this stuff. The best recommendations I've had from others is to try to get your SO to go to couples therapy, solo therapy or join a local or online support group if possible.

Honestly, my mom is the most upset that I want to get rid of these things. She looked like she wanted to throw up when I told her. Weird.
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Arch

Quote from: ChimeraInside on August 27, 2012, 02:31:20 PM
Honestly, my mom is the most upset that I want to get rid of these things. She looked like she wanted to throw up when I told her. Weird.

I know, huh??!!! A female friend of mine was saying that going on T and getting top surgery were so radical...couldn't I make do with...with...well, without them?

I already had a male name. I already went by "Mr." with my students. I had short hair and already wore nothing but male clothing. And it wasn't enough. It was never enough. I don't know what else she expected me to do. I had reached the end. I could not live as a girl anymore. I never wanted to anyway--never. Getting rid of my growths was one of the greatest things I have ever done for myself. My friend eventually came around and saw how happy I was, but then...she wasn't the one sleeping with me.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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JCH84

thank you for all the replies! I only just saw them i thought it said that i'd get an email if anyone replied and apparently that is NOT the case lol...I know it's different for every person, and i feel lucky to be with someone who gets me and understands me and loves me, i think the biggest problem she is having is that she struggled for so long to become OKAY with her own sexuality, it took her years to be able to be open about being a lesbian and when she finally felt comfortable and was proud to be who she was, this happens and i think it makes her question her own identity and that with me jumping out of the closet she's fallen back in sort of thing...although i'm pretty sure that even before i started transitioning that people assumed we were a straight couple but i dont think that my gf realized that...and i think she also feels like all the people that are like well its a choice and stuff and who say people just change their minds, that she has fought to convince people its not something you choose whether you are attracted to men or women, and that even though she is attracted to women she could be attracted to me as a man....
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