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Surgery without HRT first?

Started by GQBookworm, September 18, 2012, 07:53:27 AM

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GQBookworm

I have been able to pass as a guy most of the time since I was a teenager.  I'm six feet tall, broad shoulders, big hands... It's never been an issue.  I have no desire for facial hair, and my body shape is already masculine, and I really don't see the need for hormones.  I don't mind being kind of androgynous, because I'm a geeky dude and I like how I look (except for weight issues, which I'm working on -- I've dropped 15 pounds so far).

I really want top surgery, though, and bottom surgery too once the technology gets better.  I feel dysphoria, and it's pretty bad sometimes, but it's about my body parts and not my looks/rest of my body.

I know I'm weird.  But does anybody else feel the same way?  Should I be posting this in the androgyne section of the forum instead?
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Jeatyn

It doesn't seem weird to me, in fact I totally envy you! If I could get away with not having to be on medication for the rest of my life then I'd be all for it.
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mm

I am not crazy about taking hrt's either.  I do want my monthly problem stopped and T is one way for I don't want any female hormones for sure.  I can't afford a hyster for years.  I do want top surgery as soon as I can afford it.
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Rita

For bottom surgury you would probably need a therapist letter as well.  Don't know if you will get it without HRT.

I understand you though, and I wouldnt think it would be impossible.  I mean a cis male can get an orchi if they needed it without any HRT, and a cis female can have her version removed as well if needed.  Only problem is authorizations and cause, especially for full SRS.
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Nero

Pretty sure top surgery is doable without HRT. I almost had top surgery before T, but ended up starting T a few weeks before my surgery. Check around for surgeons that allow it. You'll probably still need a letter for surgery though. Not sure if there are any informed consent surgeons. Bottom surgery will probably be tougher to obtain without T.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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AdamMLP

Depending on what sort of bottom surgery you'd be after that might be a bit problematic without T, I'm pretty sure that it'd be near impossible unless you were large down there naturally to be able to get a metoidioplasty without being on T because some (all?) surgeons require a certain length to work with.  I can't see why top surgery would be much of a problem though if you could get a letter and explained your thought process behind it all because, although it's not unheard of, most people tend to go for T first.

I'd not say that it was weird either, I'm pretty okay with the external look of my body and ability to pass once I've got clothes on and everything, and if it wasn't for T being able to stop the monthly crap I'd maybe not want it at all like you, but then I do want other changes like fat redistribution and facial hair and easier muscle gain as well.  I do happen to know someone else who eventually wants T but because his chest stops people from reading him as male immediately because it's too big to bind well top surgery is more of a priority for him I think.
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aleon515

They'll do top surgery without T. I doubt they'd do bottom surgery as some of it depends on the growth of the genitals on T. (I don't know about phalloplasty, it's much more complex surgery though.)

Letters-- there are people who do top surgery without them but I doubt it re: bottom surgery.

As for the Androgyne Forum. I think this topic works better here. But you might like posting there.



--Jay Jay
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ChaoticTribe

There are plenty of surgeons who will do surgery without letters, and if you don't need a letter they won't know if you are or aren't on T.

BUT there are plenty more who do require letters as well as other strict expectations of what hoops they want you to jump through.

If you want top surgery without T and letters, try calling up plastic surgeons who do gynecomastia surgery on men. You should have a lot of luck there. I had to call several places but found one surgeon who was very happy to give me a low price and show good results, and then during the consultation I came out to him as trans (NOT a requirement and could ruin the experience, but I sensed this was going well so I did it) and he was happy to work with me.



As for bottom surgery, I know of surgeons who will operate on people who are just androgynous or just want 'clitoral release' done as females not even men, so surely they will work on someone who isn't T. I talked to one such surgeon and got pricing and everything even before I came out as trans!

Now realize that the more complex surgeries have LESS people doing them, and as such there is a much lower chance you will find one of the surgeons who isn't a dictator for the Harry Benjamin Standards of Care. Just so you know, those standards are *not* the law, and they are *not* even a requirement among the medical community! They are something people go by because it eliminates uncertainty for those who aren't sure who is a true transgender person and who might be faking, unsure, etc.

Remember, they were invented a very long time ago back before anyone really knew a thing about transgender people. They were written so that doctors seeing a transgender patient for the first time in their life would have something to base treatment decisions on.

The Whitman Walker Health Clinic is one of the biggest LGBTQ clinics in America and specializes in treating DC area trangender people. I went in and talked to them, described my lifelong identification as male, intense dislike for life as a female, had been dressing as male since I was able to dress myself, prefer a name of my choosing, etc. I told them I was prepared to take as much counseling as needed to get my hormone letter, and then the mental health professional there spoke with me, assessed my mental health and gender identity, talked about my desires, and when he discovered I did not want therapy but was happy to contact him or come in if ever I did want or need it, he informed me of the truth about the HB standards and the fact that I could get hormone therapy without paying hand over fist for therapy I did not feel I wanted or needed.

Many doctors are of the same mindset but some have affiliations with individuals or groups who would be very angry or displeased if they did not follow those standards, so not everyone will be so helpful and they may want you to do a lot of things you don't want or feel the need for, such as testosterone. Just keep looking.

If you have your name and gender changed on your drivers license, this should help a lot. Just going in with all legal documents as male will go a long way with certain people who will then see you've filed your papers and went through official processes and are serious about what you want.
Was falsely diagnosed as a female-to-male transsexual.
I'm just a cisgender female picking up the pieces.
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Silent Killer

It's a FOLLY not to take hormones after bottom surgery (in our mtf case). I dunno how that Phaloplasty thing does on but if the surgery STOPS the manufacturing of hormones in your body as it is in our case where testicles are removed, no longer produces hormones. You need to take either hormone, if not YOU WILL GET OSTEOPOROSIS WHERE YOUR BONES CAN GET AS BRITTLE AS A CHALK. You'll become like a young menopause man.
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Ayden

Quote from: Silent Killer on September 19, 2012, 08:13:27 AM
It's a FOLLY not to take hormones after bottom surgery (in our mtf case). I dunno how that Phaloplasty thing does on but if the surgery STOPS the manufacturing of hormones in your body as it is in our case where testicles are removed, no longer produces hormones. You need to take either hormone, if not YOU WILL GET OSTEOPOROSIS WHERE YOUR BONES CAN GET AS BRITTLE AS A CHALK. You'll become like a young menopause man.

For FTMs the ovaries can be kept even with a hysto so it is does not have to be a problem for us as far as losing the main production of naturally occurring hormones. I have read several cases of trans guys keeping the ovaries just in case they had to stop HRT.
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