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Started by Kelly J. P., June 06, 2012, 02:33:41 AM

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Kelly J. P.

 Over the course of the last few hours, I've been bothered again by my body hair issue. Describing body hair is often the tough part... people tend to exaggerate their growth greatly, as far as I've read - and there are definitely no useful images to be found. I will try to accurately describe my problems, and then open up discussion on how to deal with it.

I will use a scale from one to ten, where one is invisible vellus hair, and ten is pubic/armpit hair-like (dark black, very coarse, wiry, curly, lots of it).

My main area of concern at the moment is my chest, which I would rate as being a six. The hairs are black, however they're not very numerous, and they are somewhat light. Dark enough to be visible if not freshly shaven though. I might have a hundred of these between my modest breasts. I imagine my solution for these is straightforward - just electrolysis. No big gripe aside from the general grossness.

However, there is hair on my breasts as well. I would rate it as a three or four - it is black, but much less visible than the other chest hair, and quite soft. This isn't really laserable, and the number of the hairs makes electrolysis a very unattractive option. This kind of hair is very widespread - from my entire stomach/belly (excluding the trail of hair, which is more of a seven because, while dark, lots of 'em, and extremely visible, it is somewhat soft) to my shoulders, back, arms... even in quite the area around my eyebrows. It is noticeable from a few feet away, or further depending on your vision.

Since laser won't work and since electrolysis would take forever and a half... I feel as if I have to choose a temporary option. No! No! isn't something I have looked at all that much, but is something on the table. Waxing would be very inconvenient due to the area of skin that requires treatment, though hair removal creams may be viable. Shaving may work on the breast/shoulder/back area... at least for what I can reach... however, shaving means I would have to take care of that hair every few days to keep up with it.

And yeah, there is the question of what to do about back hair, seeing as reaching it is difficult, and being able to see it is even moreso.

I wouldn't normally be this worried about body hair. My chest hair, trail, and armpit hair are the only locations that see decent exposure all year... however, the areas for all this other hair may be exposed now that summer is coming, and I would prefer not to look gross if I want to show a little skin (something that even now, I am hesitant about; I am and always have been quite ashamed of my body).

So, I have to pitch the question... What is your body hair like? And how do you deal with it? Virtually hairless people need not reply, as jealousy will happen. :P

For the record, I am eighteen months on hormones, and my testosterone has been properly suppressed for over a year.
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A

Mmmmh, as you can se below, I'm not nearly as far in as you, and I'm still quite more hairy than that. However, it did begin to reduce. The visual changes aside, what I noticed the most was the growth speed. My hair regenerates really slowly compared to before. I went to the laser clinic last week for an evaluation, and I was told that they weren't able to determine if my upper arms were treatable, because waxing was too recent. But guess what -- that was one or two weeks before Easter.

Also, whilst before, shaving my torso would see hard stubble just 12 hours later, now, over one day after the shave, it's still relatively smooth and very subtle.

My point being, waxing is probably going to be very effective. If your hair has slowed enough it should last for a while. And if I remember well, you have an epilator and are able to endure the pain even on the torso, yes? If so, it should be easy to maintain the waxing's results by quickly passing the epilator to remove the little gradual growth often. You could even make a habit to make it a minor, 15-minute task every night, so it never becomes a pain with a ton of hair. And, well, regrowth from waxing tends to be quite fine in the beginning, I think, since it's the pointy tip of the hair that comes out, so that's a plus too.

Also, depilatory creams are... well, all right. But be careful. Basically, they dissolve your hairs that are outside the surface of your skin, and a little bit under it, too. In a way, it's like a super shave, in that the hair is still there and healthy, but it's been "cut". So you'll have a full-thickness hair growing, just like with shaving. But unlike shaving, the hair starts a little bit under your skin, and doesn't have its pointy shape since it's been cut off, so it might have trouble coming out... That's how I understand it, anyway. Because for me, they're an express ticket for a ton of ingrown hairs. So if you're prone to them like me, be careful. (By the way, I don't -know- that's how depilatory creams work... I just deduced that from the speed of regrowth and the number of ingrowns. I might wrong.)

There's an alternate option, too. If I understand well, some of your hair is very fine, similar to vellus, except it's dark? Would you like to try bleaching it? Maybe it'll be just like vellus then and you won't need to worry about it much.

But before trying all that, are you -sure- it's not suitable for laser at all? Because my understanding is that no matter how fine, dark hair works. If it's not dark enough, you could look into dying it. I don't know much about this, but I read a story of someone who managed to get blond hair lasered by dying it black before each treatment.

As for your back, I don't see any other way than getting it waxed by someone else, be it a friend or relative you're really close to and who doesn't mind or a professional at a salon. It shouldn't be too expensive. Or well, if you really wanted to do it alone, you could spread depilatory cream on a wall, and rub your back against it... but meh.
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Kelly J. P.

 Well, some of it is similar to vellus in how it is soft... but it can be dark, noticeable, and, of course, much longer than vellus hair is. The only difference between it and coarse black body hair is that it isn't quite as long, isn't curly, and is thinner and softer. I am specifically thinking about my shoulders (and other odd areas). I should look into bleaching for those hairs, though, you're right - the thought had skipped my mind.

As for the happy trail/chest hair, as fun as epilating is, I seem to have lost my cable for it.. so it is out of commission (for now). On the stomach it was extremely painful in any case, and while I could tolerate it... that was only because I'm certifiably nuts.

And laser... it is my understanding that darkness is only a part of the equation, and that it also has to be coarse. I read a lot on the HairTell forums, which I have to say is a great wealth of information. I don't think that laser would work on anywhere but my chest and below the belly button. With my chest, the laserable hairs are fairly numbered... so if I had the money, electrolysis would be my first choice there. As for my under-the-belly-button, I may laser that, and electrolysis the trail above the belly button, as only the ones below it are dark enough.

The bleaching appears to be the best method for the rest of my not-typically-female body hair, such as my shoulders. Legs are fine with being waxed or epilated, I'm sure... though I have had some very bad experiences with shaving them, as they tend to be very prickly and itchy shortly after the shave. However, that was some time ago, and perhaps shaving is tolerable now. 

:P I open the thread to anyone's discussion of their body hair woes. A lot of us probably have it in rather inconvenient places...
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A

Hmm, I think you should go for an evaluation before deciding against laser. Maybe it's laserable, for at least partial results, and you didn't know. Evaluations are often free, so you can go without fear. Because if even if just half, or even a quarter, of your hair in the more doubtful spots can be dealt with, I think it will be worth it. Because electrolysis costs a TON of money... Much, much more than laser, from what I've read. A whole torso has got to cost many tens of thousands...
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auburnAubrey

I'm not sure who told you that your hair is not laserable.... the darkness is much more important than the fineness.... because the dark absorbs the light of the laser... which is why laser doesn't work on white or blonde hair.

Laser is available for the areola area, full body, even the penis area if needed for SRS.

Dying your hair dark will not work,as both the shaft and follicle have to be dark.... if just the shaft is dark, the laser will not get to the root where it needs to go to kill it.

but yes, I don't have any idea who told you laser won't work.  Based on what you say, laser should work perfect for you.  I would go to a professional that is either a PA doing the laser, or someone working under a MD, and get another opinion. I think you'll be suprised with the answer.
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auburnAubrey

Quote from: A on June 06, 2012, 09:39:06 AM
Hmm, I think you should go for an evaluation before deciding against laser. Maybe it's laserable, for at least partial results, and you didn't know. Evaluations are often free, so you can go without fear. Because if even if just half, or even a quarter, of your hair in the more doubtful spots can be dealt with, I think it will be worth it. Because electrolysis costs a TON of money... Much, much more than laser, from what I've read. A whole torso has got to cost many tens of thousands...

Yes, electrolysis is much more expensive and time consuming.  I have cleared my face of my dark hair via laser, but have some gray hairs I am taking care of with electrolysis... it costs me $70 / hr (which is a pretty good price for the area I live), and you'd be suprised how few hairs are actually done in that time frame.  Because it's hair by hair, a small area can have TONS of individual hairs... even if it doesn't look like it.  And (at least for me), electrolysis is WAY more painful than laser......  Unfortunately, it's necessary for the few small areas of gray on my face.  That's what I get for waiting till my 40's! LOL
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Brooke777

In all honesty, without doing any hair removal I look like I am always fully clothed. Using your scale, my entire body except my back is an 8-9. I find it gross. To combat this problem, I first used clippers to shorten the hair. Then I shaved it off. Then, I started using an epilator. It hurts a lot, but the results are worth it. I tried just shaving, but I had to do it every day, as the hair grows back that fast. I wish you the best of luck.
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phillyside

Sorry for the bump, but my wife got on the computer after me and read the post. She suggested a product sold at Sally Beauty Supply called Epi Cream. It used to be big way back before electrolysis and lasering were even a thing. She says that applying it will thin the hair and make it much finer. Given enough time it can even kill the root and lead to permanent hair removal.

It's not terribly expensive, when we get a few extra bucks to blow she's gonna take me to sally's and get me a tube or two, I'll let you know how it works for me.
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JennX

I'd really recommend looking in to laser again. Depending on your skin color light/dark, find a laser tech with either a Candela GentleLase or GentlaYAG machine, as these have personally had the best results for me. I have had all my body hair removed prior to starting HRT. Basically the kill it with light approach and it worked well for me. There were a few odd places I needed to hit with electrolysis (like my knee caps for some reason and a few spots around my areolas) but other than that, laser did 95% of the job for me. You need to find a good provider, experienced with male body hair removal, as unfortunately most laser clinics are more adept and experienced with females and female hair, which is easier to deal with.
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A

Depilatory cream is hard on the skin, and is the hair removal method I've found to cause the most ingrown hairs. Besides, it dissolves the hairs above the skin and just a bit below it, but certainly not down to the root. If you're going to try that, go for waxing. That lasts much longer and actually does have some long-term results.
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sarah c

I started plucking hairs out of my legs many years ago - though I did tend to concentrate much more on lower legs. Now I find I have very few hairs on my lower legs - and none at all towards the bottom. Not sure it will work for everyone, but certainly, regular waxing/epilating has the potential to stop hair growth outright.

Must bear in mind this was when I was 12 to 19 years old.

Sarah
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Ms. OBrien CVT

Most of my bosy hair has ether thinned out or lightened up.  Of course this is after 4 years on HRT.

My Arms are still dark and course, thus they get shaved regularly.  But I know women who do it too.

Back is not so much anymore.  Just where a tramp stamp would be.  Stomach has some still and gets shaved maybe once a month.

Chest is mostly white but still course.  So it get shaved almost daily. 

Legs, arm pits and public area have lightened, but still need cleaning up.

From what I started with I would say overall it is more along the lines of most women, my age.

  
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Ave

I can only speak for legs and pubes, since the rest of my body is pretty hairless naturally.

So legs, didn't notice anything until the past couple of weeks and my legs stay smoother longer. Pretty much the same for pubes, and the hair there is softer and lighter. :P
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