College Allows Transgender Man to Expose Himself to Young Girls

[dalebert]

Hmm. Well then it just sounds like a sick <not allowed> doing what sickos do. Sorry I have no tolerance for people exposing to children or harming children.. Shoot them all I say, there is no fixing a mind that would harm children save for a quick death before they do any damage. I just saw college and that fox news, figured it was their typical shoddy reporting.

Is that kind of hate-mongering really called for? I'm not a fan of it in general, not a fan of the death penalty, or even of punitive justice systems, but I realize that's a fairly non-traditional viewpoint and it's controversial. So to avoid getting completely side-tracked about a justice system that's problem-solving-oriented as opposed to vengeance-oriented... we're not talking about a child-rapist here. This is someone doing the same things as everyone else does in that setting, and maybe it's not appropriate and that's all debatable. Whether she's harming children is debatable as well, but certainly saying "just shoot her" is pretty freaking ridiculous.

[AngieT]

It went the same way as critical thinking, so we have no manners, and we also have: not much different from the Penn State scandal involving Jerry Sandusky.  OK forcible anal rape of children age 10-15 over multiple years is the same as a 17 year old girl seeing a naked male genitals.  Somehow I see that as kinda hugely different.  OK, this person is a big idiot, and no doubt an attention whore too - but as they grow up in America I have it on pretty good authority that these girls are going to have to deal with a lot of other similar idiots.  It's never too early in life to start actively ignoring people, in many cases, the earlier the better.

The two really aren't that much different.  Both involve forcing yourself on minors against their will.  BOTH ARE IMMORAL AND WRONG, and the only variance is in regards to the amount of harm done. 

[Annah]

i myself draw the line at locker rooms

Before surgery, I would not go into a gym lockerroom. I just would not do it.

And yes, I will say the transwoman undressing in a locker room with minors is going overboard. She should have practiced common sense on this issue.

Bathrooms are one thing. The doors are closed. No one sees your business...or your junk.

Sorry..but this woman should have used some common sense and err on the side of caution....even if she thought she was right.

[Sarah Louise]

I agree with Annah

[Ms. OBrien CVT]

I do too.

[Vicky]

A transwoman I know from another place lives in the area and knows the campus and story quite well.  The transwoman was not aware that the high school girls were going to be there that day and basically they busted in on her.  The college has since taken care of the problem which was to move the school girls into a "visiting team" locker room that is totally separate from where their transgendered students of the college would be.  No intent of perversion, just a perfectly normal screw up of scheduling and facilities allocation.  Everyone will be fine and hopefully happy.  Consider the news sources -- hope I am not killing this, but it would be a pain for me to get the subsequent links on the story, but no where as juicy as it first seems.   

[Brooke777]

A transwoman I know from another place lives in the area and knows the campus and story quite well.  The transwoman was not aware that the high school girls were going to be there that day and basically they busted in on her.  The college has since taken care of the problem which was to move the school girls into a "visiting team" locker room that is totally separate from where their transgendered students of the college would be.  No intent of perversion, just a perfectly normal screw up of scheduling and facilities allocation.  Everyone will be fine and hopefully happy.  Consider the news sources -- hope I am not killing this, but it would be a pain for me to get the subsequent links on the story, but no where as juicy as it first seems.

Thanl you for clarifying this.

[Shantel]

I don't think the news source is problematic, the problem lies in the fact that this individual can't seem to discern the difference between freedom and license. Freedom carries the responsibility to use common sense. I live in Washington state and this college has a bizarro world reputation anyway because they turn out a lot of pseudo-educated malcontents and anarchists. Moreover, this moron has flaunted his male genitals in front of a bunch of young women which only serves to piss off a lot of parents and those reading the article thus giving us all a black eye by reinforcing the idea that trans people are all freaks, weirdos and perverts. I really resent that!

[Jamie D]

Note the sources of these articles; WND and Foxnews.

Z

Transgender woman told to leave women's locker room - KIRO TV, Seattle, 10/05/12

Pre-dates the cited articles by almost a month.

[tekla]

this college has a bizarro world reputation anyway because they turn out a lot of pseudo-educated malcontents and anarchists.

Got rejected by them eh?  That's how that sounds in the real world, you know, like when Sara Palin who could barely make it out of community college criticized people who went to Yale and Harvard as 'elite'.  Not understanding that being 'elite' was exactly why they went to the Ivy League in the first place.  Perhaps they are choosing pseudo-educated over uneducated.

And 'malcontents' are responsible for 100% of all social/cultural change, 100% of the time.

From Wiki
The Evergreen State College has garnered many academic accolades. According to U.S. News & World Report's 2009-2010 college rankings, Evergreen is ranked #1 in the West for Undergraduate Teaching at Masters Universities. It was ranked as the 5th best public college in the Masters West Category "a region stretching from Texas to the Pacific." It was also ranked as #29th overall in the Masters West Category outranking other state schools such as Central Washington University and Eastern Washington University, as well as many other public schools in the region such as Humboldt State University, Boise State University, Eastern Oregon University, Western Oregon University, and Southern Oregon University. Evergreen is also among the top colleges in the nation for offering the best first-year experiences to freshmen, which entails building into the curriculum first-year seminars or other programs that bring small groups of students together with faculty and staff on a regular basis. Author and former New York Times education editor Loren Pope cites Evergreen as one of two public colleges in the United States in his book Colleges That Change Lives. In addition, The Princeton Review lists Evergreen as one of the Best Western Colleges for 2009-2010.

Yeah, that sounds like some all bizarro world reputation alright.

I really resent that!
Am I within my rights then in thinking that you make us look out-of-it, not part of the current culture, and are reinforcing the notion that you're only seeking special rights for yourself while working to curb them for 'other' people who you just don't like so much because they are 'different'?  Can I resent that?

And golly gosh, could we please have the people who didn't raise children, or didn't have them, and are about as likely to associate with people in that age group one on one, as equals, as KKK members are to go to a NWA concert --- could they go out and get ice cream or something?  Pretty please?  Childless people always tend to romanticize childhood and rarely understand what these kids are really like.  These kids today are remarkably well-behaved (especially when compared to their parents and grandparents), very well-informed on a level that's hard to even comprehend if you didn't watch it while it happened, more sophisticated then their elders in many ways, and constantly exercise better judgement and far greater tolerance than any previous generation.  They have grown up with access to all the knowledge in the world, while getting precious little wisdom from the so-called adults around them.  So they learned to see the world in a very different, and very new way.  Once we get most of their parents, and grandparents out of the way we're going to have a hell of a country.

[V M]

I might like an ice cream date, but for now this topic has run it's coarse and is locked

[SandraJane]

KOMOnews.com


Controversy swirls around local transgender college student

By KOMO Staff Published: Nov 2, 2012 at 7:26 PM PDT

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Controversy-swirls-around-local-transgender-college-student-177055311.html

OLYMPIA, Wash. -- A controversial decision by Evergreen State College officials to let a transgender student to use the women's locker room has brought up issues of civil rights, state laws and how best to protect children.

At the center of the issue is a 45-year-old student who was born a man but identifies as a woman. The student uses the women's locker room at the college's indoor pool. Angry parents contacted the police after a young girl saw the transgender student naked inside the locker room.

As a compromise, the college put up "privacy curtains" and allowed the transgender student to continue using the women's facilities.

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'Non-Discrimination Policy' Results in Girls as Young as 6-Years-Old Being Allegedly Exposed to 'Male Genitalia' in Women's Locker Room
Posted on November 2, 2012 at 4:55pm by Jason Howerton   

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/non-discrimination-policy-results-in-girls-as-young-as-6-years-old-being-allegedly-exposed-to-male-genitalia-in-womens-locker-room/


Colleen Francis (KRIO-TV)

A public college says Washington state law requires them to allow a 45-year-old biological male student use the women's locker room because he identifies as a female. Meanwhile, concerned parents say girls as young as 6-years-old have been exposed to his "male genitalia" in the facilities and are fighting back.

Evergreen State College spokesman Jason Wettstein told Campus Reform that the school must "follow a non-discrimination policy with the state."

"State law doesn't allow us to ignore gender identity disorder as one of the protected classes... therefore the transgendered individual has the right to use our facilities, including the locker rooms," he added.

The transgendered man in question is 45-year-old Colleen Francis.

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College Protects 'Civil Right' of Male Crossdresser to Strip Naked in Girl's Locker Room

By: Heather Clark | November 2, 2012 |

http://christiannews.net/2012/11/02/college-protects-civil-right-of-crossdresser-to-strip-naked-in-girls-locker-room/

Parents whose swim team daughters use the locker room at a Washington college are expressing concern following the continued refusal of school officials to stop a crossdressing man from stripping naked along with the girls — many of whom are young children.

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Fight brewing over transgender person in Evergreen College locker room

BY Tim Haeck  on November 2, 2012 @ 7:41 am (Updated: 3:01 pm - 11/2/12 )


http://mynorthwest.com/11/2118929/Legal-fight-over-transgender-in-Evergreen-College-locker-room


A new legal fight is brewing over Evergreen State College's decision to allow a transgender person to use the women's locker room.

A group that takes on legal issues surrounding religion has sent a letter to the college in Olympia.

It complains about the 45-year-old student with male genitals, who dresses as a woman.

The letter claims there has been a problem for years of men using the women's locker facilities, particularly the sauna.

Jeremy Tedesco, an attorney for some of the families who say the behavior is inappropriate, say the school needs to put a stop to the policy immediately.





According to reports, because of the non-discrimination policy of Evergreen State College, the educational institution feels that it must protect the "civil rights" of the man to use the female locker room. Children from a variety of schools and swim teams are said to use the facility, such as the Aquatics Academy, the Evergreen Swim Club, and the Capital High School and Olympia High School swim teams. The youth range from ages 6-18.

The 45-year-old man, who goes by the name "Colleen Francis," was recently reported to the police following complaints from parents whose daughters have witnessed the man exposing his body parts by sitting naked in the sauna. One report states that police were contacted by a mother whose 17-year-old daughter was "upset because she observed a person in the women's locker room naked and displaying male genitalia."

[Susan]

The determining factor here must be the intent of the person in question. Are they doing it because it titillates them? If so then it's wrong, and should be prohibited.

If they are using the Ladies locker room because it matches the gender they are, that's a different issue. The person in question should still take steps, whatever steps are required to address the concerns of the other users of the facility but they should not be outright prohibited from using them.

I do think that people should diagnosed as Gender Dysphoric by a psychologist first in order to use the restrooms that do not match their exterior gender.

[V M]

Unlocked topic

[dalebert]

Society is stuck on this gender binary notion and so has two locker rooms and not much privacy in each of them. I think a lot can be said for making more private spaces in these instead of assuming everyone is comfortable being nude in front of or seeing nude people of the "same" gender. Meanwhile, it seems much more absurd to me for someone who looks very much like a woman to be using the men's locker room.

[Shantel]

Society is stuck on this gender binary notion and so has two locker rooms and not much privacy in each of them. I think a lot can be said for making more private spaces in these instead of assuming everyone is comfortable being nude in front of or seeing nude people of the "same" gender. Meanwhile, it seems much more absurd to me for someone who looks very much like a woman to be using the men's locker room.

Yes, absolutely!

[Jamie D]

More on the story from ABC News here:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/transgender-student-womens-locker-room-raises-uproar-221516308--abc-news-topstories.html

[Ave]

Society is stuck on this gender binary notion and so has two locker rooms and not much privacy in each of them. I think a lot can be said for making more private spaces in these instead of assuming everyone is comfortable being nude in front of or seeing nude people of the "same" gender. Meanwhile, it seems much more absurd to me for someone who looks very much like a woman to be using the men's locker room.

No offense meant, but objectively, said person didn't look or pass enough which is why she was spotted.

Also, dangling bits...

[Shantel]

No offense meant, but objectively, said person didn't look or pass enough which is why she was spotted.

Also, dangling bits...

Yes and let me add Ewwwwwwwwwwww! 

[dalebert]

No offense meant, but objectively, said person didn't look or pass enough which is why she was spotted.

Also, dangling bits...

Okay, sure. Not passing well enough, perhaps, but still looking more female than male. I think the point remains that this person will feel much more awkward both to herself and to others in the men's locker room.