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Started by muuu, October 26, 2012, 05:02:20 AM

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I hated my body. I thought I would never be able to live with it. I hated tons of aspects of it. I shut myself into my basement and computer because I thought that if I could never live with my body, I might as well make my life virtual. Pretty similar to you, except I was obese and you're sickly.

And then I lost weight. And then I started HRT. And then I got into therapy. All that is making me be more okay with the things I hate; to dislike them instead of hating them. And at the same time, as I lost weight and HRT did its work, my body got better.

You need to stop, like I stubbornly used to do, thinking that you'll never be able to live with your body because you hate it too much. Both your body and your mind are much more flexible (and I don't mean contorsionism) than you think. If you faithfully invest yourself into therapy; if you eat healthily enough for HRT to be able to do something to your body, you will see 1. your body and 2. your opinion of the parts you dislike get better.

It was easier for me because I had my mother with me to see the problem and kick my butt to the psychiatrist's office. Even if you don't have that, it's entirely possible for you to get better, too. The only thing is that you need to convince yourself that yes, there is a solution, and that no, you won't feel this way forever. And to kick your own butt. Or slap. Requires less contorsionism. Anyway. You get the message. It's a bit harder, yes. But you can do it.

There was a discussion on that in another thread; about how young female gymnasts who train a lot and maintain their body fat percentage too low during puberty don't develop breasts or anything, don't start menstruating until much later, and retain a rather boyish figure. Now is your second puberty. You shouldn't ruin it in the same way those athletes ruin their own one and only puberty. That starts with EATING.

And. That you just can't dispute it, anorexic or not. If you're not gonna eat right, at least get a good multivitamin! It's the third time I've said it now.
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muuu

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A

It's not as long as you think. If you watch anime, your day flies. xD Similarly, getting into a good book can take more than half of your day away.

Anyway. What to eat? Simple. Rice. Two cups of water; one cup of rice. Simmer for half an hour. Get the brown one; more nutritious. Frozen vegetables. Easy as heck to prepare. Apples. Rinse; eat. Milk. Cereal. Juice. Oatmeal. Bread. Even frigging canned soup; that's much better than nothing. Whole grain pasta and canned sauce; two ingredients for a fairly nutritious meal. Add a can of beans and it's magically a good source of protein. It's really simple.

And no, you're not fat. You need to tell yourself that it's your illness that's making you see things like that. Making you distort your own body image. Maybe there's a little flab on the stomach. If you do a little bit of exercise to burn the little bit of "wrong" fat there is while still eating enough, the fat will gradually move to your hips and breasts and stuff.

And seriously, how can you forget to take the multivitamin? You just take it with the rest of your pills. They do say to take it apart from other medications, but it's not the end of the world if you don't, I think. If you really forget, put an alarm on your phone or computer.

And you have to know that anorexics are not happy; give them all the hipbones you want. They think they are, maybe, even though generally they just want to be more and more sickly until they're nothing but bones - and even then, they wish they could lose the bones. And then everything is blown away when their health crumbles. It's the basics of the basics.

It's easy to say "if only" and put all of your woes on one thing; to say that if only that one thing was otherwise, you would be happy. You really believe in it. You think everyone just doesn't understand; that they're idiots for disagreeing. I thought the same. But it's only later that you'll understand how silly that was; how you wouldn't be much better off even if that one problem vanished.
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You have to force yourself. The same way people who are obese have to force themselves not to eat enough for their appetite, your eating cycle or whatever it's called is disrupted. You'll need to make an effort for a good week until your body starts telling you when to eat again. And yes, you'll probably dislike it a lot in the beginning, just like obeses are all "I'm going to die! I need more food! I'm feeling faint!" when they start dieting.

But you know, you don't have to schedule it per se. It's what most people do because it's practical to do so, but as long as you eat all you need daily, it's fine. Be it in 10 snacks or one huge meal. Though the one huge meal might be hard on digestion, but that's another story. So yeah. Focus on eating enough daily. If you want, you can schedule actual meals like people usually do, but it's not necessary.

And uhm... It's quite a minority of anorexics who are happy, if you ask me. Anorexia is much more widespread than those "thinspo" people. I would be really surprised if those who are like that are 5 % of all anorexics. Most of them look in the mirror, hate how they're fat, lose weight, still see themselves as fat, etc. They hate themselves to the bitter end. Of course, not every anorexic is the same, but you get the idea. Until they eventually start fainting at school or something like that and brought to the hospital by force.

And even those "thinspo" people... I'm not an expert, but I don't think they're so happy. They post their pictures to mark their progress, or something, the way I see it. Like some do for their transition. Except anorexics don't have a measurable goal. They want to get to a point where they stop thinking they're fat, which probably never happens, or just get as thin as humanly possible while staying alive. Something like that. They may be happier, somewhat, when they're sickly thin, but the issue stays. And it has disastrous short- and long-term consequences on their health.

In all honesty, I think a decent part of your distress/depression is directly from not eating well. You can't bring yourself to do anything, you say... Heard of anemia? It's malfunctioning red cells. It can have a lot of causes, but the most common ones are the lack of vitamin B12 and the lack of iron. As a vegetarian who seriously doesn't cook/eat well often enough, I have anemia these months. Probably B12, but I'm not sure.

Anyway. Well, just that one small aspect of not eating well enough has consequences for me. I lack energy, especially at the end of the day, my physical endurance is meh and my aunt recently told me I looked sick pale. I haven't looked up the consequences of lacking every nutrient that you lack, but if you ate well, I'm sure you'd be surprised by how much better you feel.

Lastly, people who show off how thin they are, if they're really happy, there's a chance they're not anorexics. They could be simply one of those people who are naturally underweight. But well, I'm no expert on anorexia.
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This whole thread has basically been you counteracting A's advice and whatnot, and not actually doing what would be good for you.

You have to help yourself, you can't expect people to give a flying eff, but if some do, that's great, you still have to pull yourself up.
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muuu

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In all honesty, seeing how I take two pills of a multivitamin containing iron and B12 daily, make effort to always get whole grains, get B12-enriched soy milk etc. and still have anemia, you, who barely eats anything, are almost sure to have anemia. Amongst many other things...

As for not enjoying stuff, may I remind you that many nutrients, when lacking, can make depression worse, or actually cause it? I meant anemia as an example, but malnutrition has many, many physical and psychological effects and I don't know half of them..

And uhm. Today isn't over, is it? Start with an apple or something, come on ~
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Vitamins in pill form can be toxic. (Fuhrman) I am a whole foods vegan and take only a SINGLE multi-vitamin. I get B-12 from nutritional yeast. Food is your best medicine.
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A

I'd love to get all of my vitamins from food, but ya know, this is better than nothing. I just don't have the time and energy to cook all the time, especially since it takes me longer than most.

And well, what I take is a single multi-vitamin too. It's just written to take two a day on the package. o:
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Congratulations ! This is one concrete step in helping yourself. Now I bet you feel like it'll be easier to do the rest.
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muuu, considering your initial post in this topic. I didn't read all the rest.

You shouldn't fixate yourself too much on your bones.
There are genetic women that have sturdy skeletons too.
I'm very well built in this regard and I don't care, I actually
prefer it that way. It makes my body less fragile and I kinda
enjoy that in a male body I have now (one of the few things I'm fine with).
Not only that, but I actually find larger (but not fat) women hot.
I don't like models all that much and yes, I am bi.

Other than that my body is very androgynous though, due to hormonal "issues".

Anyways, my point is: if you want others to accept you
as a woman, you first have to accept yourself as a woman.
Suicide is not an answer, only transition is. Talking out of
personal experience here.

On hating your body: we all do in our original bodies.
Just see your body as a workpiece. A caterpillar that will become a butterfly one day.
That's how I see my body now and it makes me a lot happier.
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