Pinki Pramanik charged with rape after gender test shows she is a man

[Charley Bea(EmeraldP)]

Not sure if this is the right spot, so if it is not could someone correct the matter for me thanks. Anyway just came across this news article:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/15369711/pinki-pramanik-charged-with-rape/

Pinki Pramanik charged with rape after gender test shows she is a man
Yahoo!7 November 13, 2012, 11:43 am

Indian police have charged a gold medal-winning athlete with raping her former partner after medical tests showed she was actually a man.

Pinki Pramanik, who retired in 2007 after winning team gold in the 4x400m relay at the 2006 Asian Games, was charged after a report was completed by a medical board set up to determine her gender.

"Medical tests have confirmed that Pinki is not a female," B.N. Kahali, chairman of the board, said.

"Pinki is a male pseudo-hermaphrodite. We have submitted the medical report to the district sessions court."

[Jayr]

Rape is rape.

Both men and women can rape.

Don't see the point in forcing her to undergo these tests.

[dalebert]

Rape is rape.

Both men and women can rape.

Don't see the point in forcing her to undergo these tests.

My thoughts exactly! How sexist is that?

[Beth Andrea]

It depends on the circumstances...if the victim (assuming victim was a she, although both men and women can be victims) says she was raped by a man--i.e., by someone with a penis--and had semen for evidence, and says, "Pinki did it!"...but Pinki tells the police, "I couldn't have--I'm a woman, don't have a penis nor do I have semen", the police must confirm or deny one of the versions.

The victim's word is enough to start with, but Pinki's assertion can be medically verified (or denied) using a standard medical examination (in the US, that would have to be court-ordered).

The real story (and one that hurts us) is that Pinki was presenting as a woman, yet was able to rape.

[spacial]

Since this is mostly speculation and will probably remain so, I will offer an alternative explaination.

"Pinki is a male pseudo-hermaphrodite. We have submitted the medical report to the district sessions court."

Male pseudo-hermaphrodites are genetic males who develop some female physical characteristics and identities.

Since she was a Gold Medal winner in international games, it seems unlikely she had male genitals, at least, exterior.

There also seems to be a history of her partners accusing her of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinki_Pramanik#Controversies

Portraying her as some sort of predatory male, pretending to be female, then publicising her medical condiion is disgusting and disgraceful.

[AndrewL]

I was bothered by the comment "The real story (and one that hurts us) is that Pinki was presenting as a woman, yet was able to rape."

Cisgender women can rape. Cismen can rape. Trans individuals can rape. Just because she could rape does not mean that she should not present as a woman. No one should be forced to present as any gender based on the assumptions of others.

[dalebert]

I was bothered by the comment "The real story (and one that hurts us) is that Pinki was presenting as a woman, yet was able to rape."

I was too. I just didn't follow the logic for the same reasons you gave, Andrew.

[spacial]

I've checked out this on Wikipedia. There is an entry saying this.

However the medical report has revealed that Pramanik is incapable of having penetrative sex.[19]

I read the whole thing as someone trying to make an issue where there isn't one. Pramanik herself says the woman who reported her was blackmailing her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinki_Pramanik