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Voice change?

Started by AlexisB, December 02, 2012, 11:23:01 AM

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AlexisB

I know that once the voice box has "broken" or lowered hormones won't change that, i'm just wondering has anyone ever experience not being able to hit as low notes anymore or their voice hightened? Really looking for personal experiences here.

Plus, would starting hrt in teens have a possibility of reversing this?
Thanks Alexis x
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Alainaluvsu

Me personally, I can hit high pitches very well even though I started HRT at 29. Probably not the ALL the high pitches that most cis women can, but I can hit plenty. However my voice is very passable and I'm always asked by trans women to help with their voices (even though IDK how to help...)

However once the voice breaks, there is no way to go back, you'll need to learn how to speak lighter / softer / with less reverb in the chest. The reason is because  the vocal cords widen. Once they widen, they do not shrink on HRT.
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AlexisB

Thanks, this is exactly what I want just personal experiences and theories haha :) just general discusion on the matter :)
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Rena-san

Hi, my voice never broke. (22 years old, just started HRT, and I don't think its going to break now)I don't really know what happened, but I am thankful for it now. Though all the years of getting called mam on the phone/my bank never really believing it was me was kinda hard to deal with. I can't hit low notes when singing, it just sounds weird, like forced. At the same time, I can't really sing comfortably past the C above middle C, sometimes I can make it to the E or F though.

I have noticed this strange thing that when I'm around my family, who do not accept me at all, my voice tends to go much lower than I usual. Once I notice it though, I'm afraid to use my normal voice because they will accuse me of trying to be feminine. 

I would agree with Alainaluvsu though that once the voice has dropped it is dropped. No getting it back. If you feel your chest while talking and move your hand gradually up you can feel where the sound is coming from and that will tell you if your voice has actually dropped. If you feel heavy vibrations in your chest then it has dropped down there, if the vibrations come from the throat or right under the jaw/chin--this is where mine come from--then your voice has yet to drop. Its not so much about pitch but about where the sound resonates from. You could sing a very low note but if its still resonating in the throat it will sound female.
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Kupcake

There's a whole forum on the topic of voice, actually.  ( https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/board,346.0.html )

I'll give you the short version of what I learned there.  To start with, there are many women who transitioned well after their 20's, who started with deep voices, who now sound quite female and are passable both on the phone and in person.

From what I've seen, it's really just a matter of practice and patience.  First, you learn a little bit more about the human voice and how it's created physically.  Things like where your voice is resonating matter a lot.  Then, you learn ways to control and influence that.  Then, practice, practice, practice.  I hear it helps a lot if you use it 24/7.  Eventually, it simply becomes second nature.  After enough time, it takes more effort to revert to your old, male-sounding voice than to use your new voice.

So HRT won't help a huge deal, since the physical changes to your vocal chords are one-way, but don't despair.  This is definitely an issue which can be addressed, which I'm confident you'll deal with successfully.

Sorry if that's off-topic.  I do have a personal story here.  I've always had about 3 different voices I speak with (that probably sounds kinda weird).  The natural one is probably the most female-sounding one, and according to some of the forum members here, it's sorta close to passable.  You can hear it, if you want (it's in the stickied thread in the voice forum).  I don't really put any effort into any of them.  I can't speak to HRT, but I can say you can consistently speak in a relatively higher frequency and with less chest resonance without it seeming forced or taking any significant effort, once you get used to it.

Edit: And by the way, you look 100% female judging by your avatar, and that helps a lot.   Remember, people usually judge gender by their first glance at you, and unless the voice is really jarringly different from what they expect, they'll hear a female voice if you look female and sound even close.  Remember, pitch falls within a range for both genders, so it's not a specific number you're looking for.  I have no idea where your voice is now.  But I'm guessing for you, with a little bit of practice to reduce things like chest resonance and bring pitch up a little, most people will still completely consider you female even if you have minor frequency or resonance issues.  And with more practice, those will eventually mostly disappear.
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AlexisB

Thanks everyone for the information x :)
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LizMarie

One comment from my GT which surprised me was that while she agreed that HRT would not "fix" a voice by itself, she had seen too many cases where HRT seemed to assist in increasing the upper range somewhat, making voice training easier. I do not know if anyone has done any formal studies on this but my GT has seen a large number of TG patients over the years so I won't discount her observation out of hand.

However, you still need to either retrain the voice or seek surgical intervention.
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: LizMarie on December 04, 2012, 03:06:03 PM
However, you still need to either retrain the voice or seek surgical intervention.

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!! Those surgeries have a high failure rate can can even leave you mute for life. DO NOT DO IT!
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Nov413

Not to mention the inherent risks of surgery
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Kevin Peña

Well, that goes without saying. Just practice your voice. Scream in a high pitch until you can't do it anymore every day. It's like exercising: you'll eventually get better and better. My voice is already raising.  :)
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peky

Quote from: DianaP on December 04, 2012, 03:34:24 PM
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!! Those surgeries have a high failure rate can can even leave you mute for life. DO NOT DO IT!

References Dr Di?
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: peky on December 04, 2012, 05:23:42 PM
References Dr Di?

For starters, http://www.annelawrence.com/voicesurgery.html

Secondly, encyclopedias have a nice section on them.

Third, the otolaryngologists at the hospitals I've volunteered in//visited.
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