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A Long-Belated Update: Relationships and HRT

Started by blue.ocean.girl, November 13, 2012, 09:44:36 AM

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blue.ocean.girl

Its been almost three months from my first post here--where I explained much of my situation--but I haven't really said much since. Things have been so busy, every time I try to post, I end up needing to get off and take care of something else: most of the time its the kids--little troublemakers and drama queens that they are :D.

So, to recap,  although my wife has known about my trans issues since before marriage, only about four months ago did I state my desire to transition. There were many reasons for this, the biggest just being that I finally realized that this feeling, the desire to be a woman, will never go away and I have to do something about it or I will always have doubts about myself.

Of course, at that time there were issues with where our relationship was going and how our kids and family would respond. And I the last thing I posted on here said my wife had decided to stay with me--as my wife/partner.

Well, a ton has happened since then, in just a few short months. I knew my wife was still struggling with what is going on with me, I mean, how could she not? And so although she said then that she was still interested in staying with me romantically, she made it very clear to me, not too much later, that she was still just confused at that point. Since then she has admitted that things are over between us--that she couldn't be my wife anymore--she just wants to be friends. That was very painful, of course, and I wish it weren't so--even though I was thankful she still wanted to be friends--but I did understand why.

But as if she was just really unable to cope and trying to prove something to herself, she immediately began dating other guys, leaving me with the kids to go out for drinks, to the beach, to clubs, you name it, with various men. I think she just lost it for a bit. Which just made me feel horrible, you know--that I had caused her to just go off the deep end like that. Then I also thought, you know, if my male persona is dead to her now like she says... if I had really physically DIED would she have gone out the next month with the next available guy to come along? I mean... we had been through a TON together... I mean things people face in 20-30 years of marriage--all compacted into 5 years. And then within a month she is moving on? I cried myself to sleep a lot during the next few weeks. I was a mixture of emotions, very depressed. In that time I had been referred by a friend to a doctor who would prescribe on informed consent. It took a few visits, but eventually I had been prescribed hormones. Yet I seriously considered, although I found the thought unbearable, stopping my transition so I wouldn't lose my wife, which was also an unbearable thought--and again I told my wife this.

However, she reminded me that if I didn't do this now, I was either going to do it later, or regret not going through with it for the rest of my life. She said she didn't want to be back with me now no matter what--things had already fundamentally changed. It was horrible, but I knew she was right. I was forced to face it. I knew this might happen when I started, but now I was just holding on--both too afraid and too sad to let go.

She did also say she loved me, not a spouse, but as a close friend or sister, and since we've been through so much together, she could never imagine not having me in her life. She confessed she wanted to help me achieve my goals, and wanted me to stay with her, not only for the kids, but so we can continue to help each other like we always have.

I have to admit, when I really thought about it, my wife and I always had much more of a close friendship than a romantic relationship. I mean, we had children together, we had sex, but there were, when I am honest with myself, always issues with it. That's as much as I'll go into that.  :-\ Not to say hearing that wasn't difficult, but being as I had nowhere to go, I was pretty much forced to stay and just think through things, and communicate with her about my feelings, which she has slowly begun to stop being indifferent to.

She has since admitted that the dating was just a crazy independence phase, and apologized for any hurt it cause me. I have begun to talk to a therapist. I realize that eventually she will be dating again, and I'm actually beginning to be ok with it. I also have begun to think that I may actually be attracted to men on some level. So I am also able relate with her on that, and I try to talk with her about guys, which prepares me more for the time she may date again. But for now, we have not officially gotten a divorce--although neither of us view it as a marriage anymore--and she says she's not interested in men right now and only wants to focus on getting her and my life together and taking care of the kids. Its been 2 and a half months of this, and things are progressing very well. There have been problems of course, but no more relationship issues.

Long story short, I do still wish things had worked out, but I realize I have gained so much more from what has happened, in terms of self-discovery and also so much more I have yet to say. And believe it or not, I actually have a lot more to say. I just don't have time. Have to take the kids to school. I'll try and post part 2 tomorrow now that I have the background information out of the way. lol

But for now I welcome any thoughts. Personally I feel amazed, perhaps somewhat guilty, that our marriage of 5 years seems to have been overcome, perhaps even trivialized, by us both so quickly. I mean, when I look back on it, I guess it makes me sad for what's been lost, but I'm very happy with what's been gained, and Alexa, my ex-wife-turned-sister, feels the same. I guess I just feel guilty that we seem to have moved on so quickly. But I just can't help but feel elated at how things have happened. It could have been so much worse.
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Brooke777

Though you are going through a lot, it sounds as if things are progressing nicely. My marriage of 10 years is failing. We are only legally married as she cannot support herself yet, but we are just friends emotionally. I however, wish that she would get out of the house a bit and date. It would be good for her, and help her move on.

I hope things continue to move in the right direction for you.
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Aleah

I felt very similar when my 6 year relationship and marriage of 3 years ended, while it's not the same situation, it is amazing how quickly hearts change, "like the wind" as they say.

My gender issues were definitely a contributing factor, I wasn't "the man" as she wanted and she knew something was up for a long time. I don't blame her, everyone must find their happiness, but I understand your feelings.

But 2 years on now, I am glad it turned out how it did. I've finally accepted who I am and started my transition from a neutral position, without a whole lot of emotional baggage and external complications, like starting fresh.

Give it some time and focus on you, things only get better!
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kathy bottoms

At least the two of you are talking now, and you have some mutual support in your lives.  Your wife seems to understand you can't change this, even if she'll never really know what it's like inside to be transgender.  My wife stayed with me for 20 years after I told her about myself, and we developed a very close friendship instead of a marriage.  Unfortunately that's changed now that I'm transitioning, and so now I'm also waiting to see what's ahead. 

Both good and bad comes from our disclosures to the ones we love, and we can't predict or change how a spouse will react.  But it seems like SO's always get through it somehow.  Too bad it's all so emotionally draining.

Anyway, please keep us posted once in a while.  And take care.

Kathy
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JoanneB

Very often a spouse will go through most of the stages of grief. When you drop the "T-Bomb" you are effectively killing the guy she knew and loved. Don't be surprised if you yourself pass through some of these stages as you deal with the buring of male personna.

It is fantastic that you two are still trying to hang in there. My wife and I have been through a ton of crap during our 30 years together. Though she knew from teh beginning about my T something nature the change my life started taking 3 years ago was still a shock to her, as well as to me! The LAST thing I want to do is transition. Tried it twice when I was much much younger. But alas.....

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blue.ocean.girl

Ok. I know its been a while, sorry. Again I just haven't had the time to respond, but thank you everyone for your thoughts and encouragement.

JoanneB--I know exactly what you mean with the stages of grief. When I think everything is going to be ok, my wife will suddenly break down and show that it still upsets her sometimes. And even for me, there are times when I really  FEEL the difference in the relationship and realize that I will certainly miss some things about being her husband. But in the end I know this is what I want to do and we both know that the transition is for the best, even though there are painful moments--I think we realize, in the end, that we are and always will be best friends.

And aleah, at this point I am sure that eventually we will both go our separate ways, just like that. I don't know if it will be sooner or much later, but I do know that, even though we are both still the best of friends and we have children together and this binds us together in certain ways, eventually we will both probably feel the need to move on to other relationships sooner or later. Its just a matter of who feels this first I guess.

Now more updates.

I did start hormones about three months ago now, and I really began to feel the effects of them around the month and a half mark.  Not only was my chest sore, but--I don't know how to describe it--but its like I just started to feel more comfortable, less stressed, and just generally happier. Of course, my emotions have gone wild sometimes, even having VERY unexpected crying fits at times. But the thing is, I just feel more in touch with myself, my feelings, even my mind. Even the emotional highs and lows seem cathartic to me.  I never used to cry before I began this. I would try, and just could not. I felt disconnected from people and just never wanted to bother with communication or relationships--ok I did want to--but I just felt so disconnected that I didn't want to. Does that make sense? lol Anywho--Now I feel like I am interested, empathetic, and just plain easier to focus. I don't really feel like I am explaining it very well. I just feel comfortable--like things are finally right in Laura's world.  ;D

That has carried on since. And as for physical changes, now that I am at the three month mark, I am happy to report that I nearly fill an A cup. I know this is fast, but I was pretty chunky before and--I'm not sure if I ever mentioned I had taken estrogen before but--I had taken a few months of hormones when I was a teenager, without a prescription, and then stopped when I became scared of my parents reactions when I started to notice changes--so there was a little something there to start with.

Also, four years ago, in the first year of my marriage I went from 145 lbs to nearly 200 lbs, I had remained at that weight up until about 6 months ago, when I first began to get serious in my mind about doing this. I have lost 60 lbs in the last six months from diet and exercise. I haven't been this thin since a little after high school. I was a size 38 mens jeans before, and now I am a size 9 womens, and sometimes can squeeze into a 7 looking good. I feel the exercise and diet has left me with a very nice figure to build on. I'm lucky to have big hips for a guy, I actually ended up with more of my mother's hourglass figure than my sister did I think. So I and every one that knows me have seen drastic changes in very little time. lol I'm very excited with it.

But going back to the mental and emotional changes--these have allowed me to become very close with my ex-wife's older sister, as if she were my own sister, actually. I have made other girlfriends through her, and so I have more help and support than I expected I would at this stage.

We live with my sister(-in-law) actually. We rent a few rooms from her, and this situation, as you can imagine, really had the potential to leave me stranded. I was never really close with my wife's family before, they are spanish and I just never wanted to be bothered with learning spanish, but I just feel so much more--like I want to speak with them and share myself with people--so I have even been learning spanish, with my sister's help. Like I said, we were never very close before, but I've just been trying to reach out to people, and I think they see that, and I've made a few new friends since.

Finally, on Halloween, I decided to dress publicly for the first time and try gauge whether people thought I was wearing a costume or not. My kids and wife were in costume, and I guess I was hoping someone would say, "How come YOU are not in costume, miss?" lol  :D That never happened, but nobody really gave me any strange looks or special attention, so I viewed it as a success. ;D All of my friends (many who didn't know yet that I was transgender) that saw me said I looked just like a woman, and a few even said they hadn't recognized me at first!  :D I saw my father and brother for the first time as Laura, which went amazingly well. My father was somewhat speechless at first--I mean, he was talking, but he was definitely trying to avoid the subject, still calling me by my male name, until my wife forced the issue and asked "Well, how do you think your daughter looks?" To which he said, "Oh she looks beautiful, I just can't understand how you can wear those heels!" lol. My dad's partner and my brother were both much more complimentary. We went trick or treating with the kids and then went out to dinner, and the evening was delightful.

Since Halloween, about a week afterwards actually, everyone in the house (wife, kids, sister-in-law, nephew, and brother-in-law) was informed as to what was going on with me. I began to dress full time at home and mostly full-time in public--I figured it might cause more complications (i think with other parents, not the school) than it was worth taking my son to pre-K dressed as a woman, since he will be starting kindergarden next year. But before Halloween, and since, I have been ma'amed pretty consistently in public, even when dressed in some of the manliest clothing I have--even a few times with the beginnings of a beard! So I decided it was time. lol Its been pretty nerve-racking at times, sometimes I feel that I am not walking right, and I'm soo stressed with conversation, because I can talk convincingly in short phrases or sentences, but if I have to say too much I feel like my voice gets worn out and raspy and deepens as I go! Plus I know my face looks pretty masculine still. :o But I haven't had any issues so far. I have had some strange looks, and some guy was staring at me the other day, but for the most part people treat me as a woman and/or just go about their business. Also sometimes it can be hard having my son with me, calling me "Daddy" with abandon. Lol, but still even in those situations, no one has seemed to notice really. On that note, Mommy and I have tried to begin to transition the kids into calling me Didi instead of Daddy, and its gone pretty well, at 4 years of age, my son is pretty good at it remembering, but he forgets still. lol

However, not everything is so smooth. A few weeks ago, my father-in-law and mother-in-law came to visit. They live in Costa Rica, but they come and stay with my sister(-in-law) every once in a while--for 3 to 6 months at a time. I'll just say they're pretty set in their ways. Oh yeah, and they speak very, very, very little English--as in the father speaks very little and the mother speaks none at all.

So I went with my sister to the airport to pick them up. I was dressed as a man, as they had no idea yet and I had wanted to avoid causing any issues right away. We picked them up without a hitch and drove back home.

My sister told them later that day about me, and she told me that although they were shocked and concerned about my wife and the children, they wouldn't judge me--its my life. I, of course, asked my sister if she had let them know that I was committed to the children and still love their daughter very much. She said she had, so I was thinking everything was fine then.

Wrong. The next day I wore my normal clothes, my girl clothes. From the time I stepped out of my room, I could tell things were not fine. Both of them did not want to look at me, and my mother-in-law would stare at me and then look away when I looked at her. I tried to just act normal and I asked them if they wanted a smoothie, which I was making for myself, but I was ignored. lol

The next thing I know, my mother-in-law is in our room, basically interrogating my wife. I didn't understand everything, but I did understand, "Why doesn't he go live with his father or brother?" That made me pretty upset. Its what I feared the most, that all or part of my wife's (very tight-knit) family would try to convince her to just drop me.

Later, when my mother-in-law found out that I was upset, she did say she didn't mean to upset me, and that she didn't judge me (whatever lol). But to me, you don't say something like that if your ok with someone and not judging someone. You talk to someone about considering to kick someone out when you don't want that person there, plain and simple.

Since then, my mother-in-law's stress concerning me has been a recurring theme. My sister seems to have changed her viewpoint with me. Whereas as few days before her parents came, she was calling me Laura and told me I was her sister, and she'd be here to help me, now something seems to have changed. She hasn't called me Laura since, and for a few days after they came, she was pretty cold with me. When I talked to her about it she said her mom was really stressed to the point that she didn't want to be here, because of me. I asked her what I could do to help her feel better, because I didn't want to be creating any issues. She told me to go slower, to stop dressing as a woman for now--maybe just when I am going out. To come out to them slowly. I tried to let her know that to purposely go back into hiding again would be very difficult for me emotionally, but that I would. And I have. I dress androgynously, the only pants I have that fit me are women's jeans anyways, but I wear a men's shirt on top-large and baggy to cover my bra.

I feel like my sister has been ok since then, but just not the same really. She doesn't call me Laura. She's suddenly decided to return to the religion she (and I) grew up as: Jehovah's Witnesses. And she confessed to me the other day that she thought I could be fixed, if I wanted to be.  ::) I love her because she has helped me out a ton, and I her. We've both been through a lot, and so we are very candid with one another, and I appreciate that. But it all just digs at me.

And still I'm always hearing about how this is so hard for my mother-in-law. They hold her as such a fragile thing, and I understand that she's old and has heart issues, but jeez, my wife's not even making a big deal, why the [insert expletive here] is she?! Different relatives have come by to talk to them about this, even a Jehovah's Witness pastor, who then tried to tell me I wasn't thinking straight.

The other day my mother-in-law's sugar dropped, and my brother-in-law accused me, that she was living in the house with me was the reason it dropped. There was a huge argument between him and my wife and my sister, which I only heard about later. He had asked me to talk to him outside before I was aware of the argument. And he basically told me that I have control over the relationship between me and my wife and that his mother-in-law is very stressed and that he doesn't let anyone say or do anything that hurts his mom.

I was confused with what he was talking about so I said something similar to, "Your mom is stressed every time she comes here. [My wife] tells me every time that she wants to go back to Costa Rica. Its nothing new. And [my wife] never finished high school, and never got even got her driver's license, so yeah, she has depended on me for everything. But she's trying, and I encourage her, because I think it is a great thing whether we were going to stay married or not, to learn to be independent now. She has a good job, shes taking high school again because she wants to go to college, and I'm taking care of the kids which we can't afford to put in daycare, so she can do this. And I'm also going to college, because I haven't been able to find a sufficient job in years. And once I'm done, I plan to continue to help her. We may not be husband and wife really anymore, but we're best friends."

Then he said, "So you already made your decision then. Ok, that's really all I needed to know."

To which I responded, "I don't know anyone that would be doing what I'm doing without, yes, making a decision, thinking things through for a long time."

And that was pretty much it. It happened a few nights ago. I'm still confused by it.

Anyways, seriously, my wife needs me. Her family is VERY third world and superstitious. Basically, they brought their daughters to the US, but raised their daughters to be wives, and nothing more. None of them even finished high school. My wife is the only one who actually aspired to be more, and it is actually her parents fault she never finished high school. She went 4 years and got a diploma, but she never realized until about a year ago when she tried to go o college that it was a "special" diploma because her parents never signed the papers to remove her from "special" classes after her English had improved well enough. So we'll just say my wife has issues with her family--I spend more time with them than she does in fact. She still has issues because they're often giving mystical, drugged out, or just plain bad advice--depending on which one of them you ask. lol So despite the fact that she would have tons of family to help if we did actually split, I hate to say it, but it's useless help--as far as I see.

Anyways I know this post is long, jumbled, and perhaps a little crazy, but what I guess I'm wondering is; Would it actually be better for me to leave? My wife says she wants to help me. I want to help her. I don't know where the hell I would go if I did leave. But I became so depressed a few days ago that I was considering it. Maybe my wife and kids would be better off? But I don't know. I wonder if I'm going to be forced out before long. Despite everything that's going on here, I feel closer to this family than my biological family. I would miss them terribly. I just can't help but get the sense that the parents are trying to influence their children to push me out, and that perhaps my brother-in-law was even trying to intimidate me.

So again thank you for your thoughts. Sorry my second post took so long (and is so long :D).
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blue.ocean.girl

Because things have been pretty horrid here at home, I'm venting with one more quick update, looking for some support. Long story short, my parents-in-law had a talk with my ex-wife and sister-in-law, telling them they needed me to dress as a man, because its how they know me and its just too stressful for them--and if I don't then then they say they are going to leave, which would instantly make me the bad person. My ex is angry with them about it, but there's really nothing she can do because now the rest of the family, who I thought had my back, are trivializing my dysphoria in favor of trying to tiptoe around their parent's "stress." I just feel like they are trying to push me back into the closet so they can forget me... and these are people I trusted. I try to talk to my sister-in-law about it, and she tells ME I'm overreacting.  I just feel devastated. Completely betrayed.
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Brooke777

I'm so sorry they are doing this. To me, it sounds like they are trying to control you. I don't think you are the bad one for being yourself. Just a suggestion, but maybe you could work out a compromise with them. Like dressing in a fashion that you are both comfortable with. But, don't let them tell you who you are, and are not.
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blue.ocean.girl

Quote from: Brooke777 on December 02, 2012, 07:41:15 PM
I'm so sorry they are doing this. To me, it sounds like they are trying to control you. I don't think you are the bad one for being yourself. Just a suggestion, but maybe you could work out a compromise with them. Like dressing in a fashion that you are both comfortable with. But, don't let them tell you who you are, and are not.

That's what I think too. The parents keep saying they love me and don't judge me, adding that they think I am a good man.--But such statements makes no sense if they can't accept me as Laura. And the very first conversation they had with my wife when they came was why I didn't go live someplace else. You don't ask stuff like that if you care and aren't judging. They just want what they want--which is for Laura to go away--and want to come out smelling like roses.

Anyway, its ridiculous, When I do wear men's clothes I get ma'amed by strangers in public. There's really not much compromising, I don't speak enough spanish to reason with them, plus they are in a religion that literally ousts, as in excommunicates, you for being transsexual. I tried to speak with my sister in law about it and she's like, well we have to respect them because they're our parents. I'm like, "That's not respect, that's manipulation." But their family has very old world values--as in never question papa no matter how old you get--which just can't seem to be broken. My wife is the only one who doesn't think that way, and they don't respect her because she is the youngest. Its just really crazy.

But the hardest part is not really the clothes, I can dress androgenously until I find a job and we can get out of here. But what hurts is being trivialized by them, especially my sister in law, who I thought I was really close with and would stick up for me, but I was very mistaken. It's become obvious that they refuse to try to see me as a women--even though have absolutely no problems passing--and my sister in law has just been pandering at best. It kills me.

Thanks, Brooke, for the support. And aside from my clothing choice, I'm not going to change a thing.

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MadelineB

Hang in there, ocean girl. You are one sane ship in an ocean of chaos. Are you working with a counselor at all? You really deserve advice and support from someone who isn't part of the family machine. At the very least, take the time each day to reach out to your friends here online.

The only people you need to take care of are yourself, and your children. I know you want to help your wife and her family out of the goodness of your heart, but you are the one dealing with a life threatening medical condition that only has one recognized avenue of treatment - which they are obstructing you from following. Not cool. In any language or religion.

Are the kids there witnessing that mess? I'm sorry that it isn't your home; if your sister-in-law was thoughtful of the grandchildren, she would not bring her parents there at this time. If they cared about their grandchildren, they would not do that to your children's Didi. You are a strong and amazing woman, but I'm sorry you are going through it.
History, despite its wrenching pain, cannot be unlived, but if faced with courage, need not be lived again.
~Maya Angelou

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muffinpants

Hello Laura, first off, I wanna say good job on keeping yourself together amidst all this change in your life! Things could have turned out a lot worse. The whole situation just sounds so frustrating.. It's a tricky situation but it sounds like you are doing the right thing. I know you said you are wearing mens shirts around the house, but maybe it would make you feel better to wear your girl shirts and just throw a sweatshirt over until you go out. Maybe  If that is you in your avatar, you are very pretty!! You sound like a very busy person, going through with this transition and having kids and such.. is there anyway you could start working out a back up plan in case things go wrong (they already have it seems, but if they get worse)? It never hurts to have one of those!! Best of luck to you hun, it seems like you're doing a great job :)
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Beverly

I would find your situation intolerable if it was happening to me. I would also be concerned that they could be working themselves up to justify hurting me.

In your situation, your brother-in-law's comment that '... you already made your decision then. Ok, that's really all I needed to know' combined with the statement that he  'will not let anyone say or do anything that hurts his mom' worries me. Obviously I do not know all of your situation, but I think you should consider staying somewhere a lot safer.




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Aleah

This seems to me a common guilt ploy employed by manipulating parents/parents-in-law. They say that how you dress is causing them "stress", if you concede to that, it reinforces their convictions about your dysphoria. If you don't concede and stand your ground, they can say how irrational or inconsiderate you are. It's a trap!

You won't change their world view and pandering to them will not make them accept it. I'm not saying to rock the boat if you still depend on their family and it seems like for the most part they haven't been overtly bigoted. But I think you have to be a little selfish and start looking out what's best for you.

It's a difficult situation, I wish you the best of luck with them but don't take everything they say at face value.
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blue.ocean.girl

Quote from: MadelineB on December 02, 2012, 09:03:25 PM
Hang in there, ocean girl. You are one sane ship in an ocean of chaos. Are you working with a counselor at all? You really deserve advice and support from someone who isn't part of the family machine. At the very least, take the time each day to reach out to your friends here online.

The only people you need to take care of are yourself, and your children. I know you want to help your wife and her family out of the goodness of your heart, but you are the one dealing with a life threatening medical condition that only has one recognized avenue of treatment - which they are obstructing you from following. Not cool. In any language or religion.

Yes, I speak to my therapist later today, actually, and I can't wait for the session. And I really appreciate the support I have received from you and others on this site. I wish I could be on more, but it's just whenever I can find the time usually, because it, you're right, its an ocean of chaos here. Lately I am just so exhausted I pretty much just pass out at around 9 or even sometimes 8 at night.

And yeah, I try to point out to them that this is a serious medical condition, and this is the only real treatment. I've shown articles and documentaries, but they just refuse to believe it. So yeah, I'm beginning to see that, at this point, they're not a going to change. At best they will pander.

Quote from: aleah on December 03, 2012, 05:15:42 PM
This seems to me a common guilt ploy employed by manipulating parents/parents-in-law. They say that how you dress is causing them "stress", if you concede to that, it reinforces their convictions about your dysphoria. If you don't concede and stand your ground, they can say how irrational or inconsiderate you are. It's a trap!

You won't change their world view and pandering to them will not make them accept it. I'm not saying to rock the boat if you still depend on their family and it seems like for the most part they haven't been overtly bigoted. But I think you have to be a little selfish and start looking out what's best for you.
That is what I have started feeling. Because at first my sister-in-law asked me to come out more slowly to them, which I agreed to for the sake of not stressing people out too much, because I do know it can be startling. So I was very careful with what I wore, and only dressed up and wore make up when I was going out, and of course its not like I would get ready in the car or come home and immediately change, so of course they would have to see me and deal with it, but it was only a few times. After that, my father-in-law basically demanded to my ex and her sister that they never see me in woman's clothes or they would leave. I gave them an inch and they took a mile. ::)

The thing is, we all depend on each other right now, except for the parents--they can come or go as they please, and do. Their children that are here in Florida are all in sore straits financially, so they all depend on each other. But their children, basically my sister-in-law and brother-in-law don't want to feel like they're pushing their parents out, which is how they are presenting my dressing up--as something so stressful they want to pack up and go back to Costa Rica. lol Its seriously messed up. But the goal has been, from the time my wife and I came here two years ago, just for me to finish college and take care of the kids while my wife works. Because I used to be a construction electrician for six years and made great money, but I hurt my back badly and couldn't do that anymore (plus I always HATED the job--I started at 16 through a friend and just stuck with it for the money), so now we're here and we all just try to help each other--except, aside from my ex, they're not too interested in helping Laura.

So I've pretty much decided to try and find a job so I can move out, if my ex wants to join me, I hope she does. Its going to be extremely difficult being a parent, studying for an engineering degree, and having a job all at once, but I just can't deal with this anymore. My ex tells me the same thing you all do, I just need to forget these people and move on.

Thank you all so much for your advice and support. It means so much to me. :)
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blue.ocean.girl

Quote from: bev2 on December 03, 2012, 07:07:47 AM
I would find your situation intolerable if it was happening to me. I would also be concerned that they could be working themselves up to justify hurting me.

In your situation, your brother-in-law's comment that '... you already made your decision then. Ok, that's really all I needed to know' combined with the statement that he  'will not let anyone say or do anything that hurts his mom' worries me. Obviously I do not know all of your situation, but I think you should consider staying somewhere a lot safer.

Oh and I wanted to say I am very good friends with my brother-in-law's girlfriend, so I plan on talking with her about this to see what she thinks. He seems ok lately, but yeah, this scared me a bit. I tend to think perhaps it was a language thing, because his english is pretty good, but not the best, and I think perhaps it just didn't come out right. Because he didn't seem overly upset when he said it.

Quote from: muffinpants on December 02, 2012, 09:08:50 PM
I know you said you are wearing mens shirts around the house, but maybe it would make you feel better to wear your girl shirts and just throw a sweatshirt over until you go out. Maybe  If that is you in your avatar, you are very pretty!!

Thank you!  ;D And yeah that's basically what I've been doing lately. That and button up dress shirts. I don't really mind the androgynous look though, I used to skateboard when I was younger, and I always like the skater girl look. Its just the fact that they're trying to deny the fact that I am a woman, by trying to force me to dress as a man, so its easier for them to see me that way, I don't like. Yesterday I wore guyliner, which I never have in boy mode before, just to see what they would say. It usually comes a few days later, so we'll see.  :) I'm still hoping for acceptance from them, but I definitely don't want to be in this situation where I depend on it anymore.
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MadelineB

Thanks for the updates Laura. It sounds like you have a good action plan. Taking action of some kind of your own will, and another, and another, is the best way to not give in to the debilitating sense of powerlessness that can come when you feel surrounded. It can be exhausting, but less than staying in an emotionally detrimental space. I hope you catch a few good breaks as you extricate yourself. If you are eligible for any kind of assistance, please avail yourself of it. When I was a student and lost support of family years ago, I worked three part time jobs on campus (at the same time). Sometimes work study, available through the financial aid office, is better because it tends to be more flexible about your school schedule. I don't know if your school has any programs like that but back in my ancient days, they gave it out when you asked and had need, not automatically.

*Hugs* and cheers for self-care and willingness to dare.
-Maddie
History, despite its wrenching pain, cannot be unlived, but if faced with courage, need not be lived again.
~Maya Angelou

Personal Blog: Madeline's B-Hive
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blue.ocean.girl

:) Yeah, I'm looking into a lot of different things. Work study may be one option, it is available to me and the college career center says they have many positions open, so I'm going over there tomorrow to apply. Also I recently was contacted by the Census Bureau-- which I worked for in 2010--about another position, so that may work out. Either way, I need to leave here. Its really ridiculous. Despite my best efforts, I just continue to feel overwhelmed by the situation here. I feel like I wake up every morning and see a man in the mirror, and can't really do anything about it to make myself feel better. My therapist concurred and specifically told me this is an unhealthy environment to be living in and encouraged me to leave as soon as I can. And it really is...
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blue.ocean.girl

Ok I stopped in the middle of that sentence because this just happened while I was writing it:

My kids were getting into trouble, making a mess, so I went over to talk to them and straighten things out. As I was cleaning my son's face, I heard my preschool age niece say to my father-in-law (the kids call him Papito). "Mira Papito! Ella está limpiando la cara de mi primo. Ella esta limpiando!" To which he sternly said, "Él no es 'ella.' Él es 'él.'"

For those that may not understand... this translates to:
Niece: "Look Papito! She's cleaning my cousin's face. She is cleaning it!"
Father-In-Law: "He is not 'she.' He is 'he.'"

Mothertrucker... lol I can't believe this happened right while I was writing this. If I was left with any doubt that these people aren't really stressed, but just want everyone to see things the way they do--without any care or respect for me and my feelings--it has completely left me. I have no more willingness to try and work with these people, or even be decent to them, at this point. I'm fuming right now.

My niece began to  call me "Tia"--meaning "Aunt"--a few weeks ago when she and her grandparents first came back from Costa Rica (she was visiting with them and other family down there). She gendered me without anybody saying anything to her, completely on her own--a preschool age child--she has no confusion as to what I am. I think nobody has said anything to her until now probably because it sounds so much like "Tio" that they couldn't tell. Even I thought it might have just been wishful thinking on my part the first time, but as time went on, I was sure of it. And it made me happy that at the most basic level--in the innocent mind of a child--there was just no denying who I was, even with my male or androgenous clothing.

Her mom, my sister-in-law, knew about it too, and she had no problem with it. This guy is just such a... there are no words... There's only two reasons someone would say something like that right in front of a transsexual: 1. They are purposely trying to hurt them. 2. They just don't care at all.

Argh  >:( I'm getting my family out of here. I'm done with these people. I don't even want my kids around these people, what are they going to try to tell them or influence them? I'm making a goal to be gone b4 the end of the year, or at least b4 January ends. I'm sooo done.
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muffinpants

Good for you. That is probably the best for you and your family. You can't keep just accepting that kind of emotional torture. I know it is easier at times just to do what someone asks of you so they will get off your back or ignore you, but they are really taking it too far. There are some people that refuse to learn or try to understand anything about other people and they are beyond redemption. Personally, I try to cut those folks out of my life if at all possible.. but it isn't always. And I just want to say, with a face like yours, how can you look in the mirror and see a man? ??? Gosh, you are too adorable! I think your therapist was right about you needing to get out of there... nobody deserves to be treated that way, especially around children. It's great that you've set a goal for yourself, too.... it may be hard but it can't be worse than this emotional abuse. Good luck, hun!! Keep us updated!
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Emily Aster

That sounds just like my father and step-mother and I'm not even out to them yet. I can definitely relate. It's relatively easy to see the manipulation that's happening when you think about it, but it's really hard to sever those ties.

And like everybody else said, there's no way possible that anybody is going to look at you and not see a woman. None. They're seeing what they want to see, not what's real.
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