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Can we ever be "one of the girls"?

Started by Carlita, December 18, 2012, 04:10:41 AM

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michelle

Considering this issue, nobody is perfect.   Too, when gets to be 66 I know I have a lot of history that most people in my present are never going to know.  Some of it good, some bad, and some what some people may consider ugly.   Nobody is going to ever know all of the thoughts I have had.   I also realize that most people don't want to know my full history and I really don't want to know the other persons.   What matters to me is what kind of person you are now.  As a female I am past the time of having any children and I still have all my male parts and very few female parts.    So I have to accept that I can only be a Male to Female transgender.      I also have 53 years of male history including 10 children and two spouses that have known my male side.   My current spouse has seen mostly my female side.    At the most if I were to be stealth,  I would to have to keep away from intimate relationships and the party scene.

On just an acquaintance basis, I might have a chance of being at some level stealth.   Now its different for transgender teenagers.    They have most of their lives ahead of them.   They will have most of the rest of their lives as themselves.    There bodies will match their genders more closely than those of use who transition at older ages.   Should they have to explain all of their lives that they were born the opposite sex?    Why?  They will have to explain that they can't father or give birth to children.   

All of their legal papers except their original birth certificate will say that they are either male or female and even that be legally hidden.   Yes if they have an extreme medical emergency and they have a genetics test it will show that genetically they are a different sex.   At that point they will have to deal with that issue.   

But basically they aren't lying and as time goes on most of their early years as their birth sex will just disappear.    They just have to be very careful that their spouses are not violent and prejudice people against the GLBTQ community and that they are willing to accept them for whom they are warts and all.   This doesn't mean that transgender children will have to explain they are transgender all of their lives.   Everyone has the right to some private life nobody else knows and they will not have to explain.   

Individuals who transition as teenagers will have very little history living as their birth sex when they reach 66 years old.    So I feel that each person has to come to terms with what they feel others have a right to know about themselves or not.     Each of our families may have histories and traditions which other people may have strong feelings against.    Many people leave this family history behind and separate themselves from it choosing to keep it private and not explain it to the people they marry and become emotionally close to.   Transitioning at an early age could well be one of those things.   The longer we wait to transition the more history we have as our birth sex and the less likely we will be to be able to keep our transitioning private so telling those we bring into our lives will become more and more necessary.   

At 66 years old if I were to win the $10,000,0000 lottery and I could afford to physically change my body totally female,  I would still have to explain that I was transgender if I were not to disappear from my family because too many people know my history.

i feel that when we discuss this issue of rather we should out ourselves to our loved ones who don't know really depends upon where we are in the human life cycle, so we should really try and be more understanding.    Each person has a right to a private side of their lives.   All of us have them.    Many people we become involved with are going to keep a lot of things private from us.    What I really feel is important to know it how the person we become involved with is going to respond in a crisis.   Will they become angry, violent, hostile, and become physically violent and abusive?    Will they or will we become controlling and possessive and emotionally dependent upon the other person or they on us?   If this is possible then may we should just walk away quietly.

Be true to yourself.  The future will reveal itself in its own due time.    Find the calm at the heart of the storm.    I own my womanhood.

I am a 69-year-old transsexual school teacher grandma & lady.   Ethnically I am half Irish  and half Scandinavian.   I can be a real bitch or quite loving and caring.  I have never taken any hormones or had surgery, I am out 24/7/365.
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Annah

0_0, every thread and post makes you think of a youtube clip lol
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Stephe

Quote from: O_O on December 28, 2012, 10:31:32 PM

Stephe you are making a lot of assumptions.  Your first assumption is that the trans woman in question is not sharing that she transitioned because she believes her partner would have a problem with her being trans. First of all just because you identify as trans doesn't mean that other people identify as trans.

Where did I say that? I am saying you will have to lie about your past or avoid the topic altogether which will seem very weird to anyone.

And why else would you not share this fact with someone you love unless -you assume- it would affect the way they feel about you?

Quote from: O_O on December 28, 2012, 10:31:32 PM

You stated that it is the TSs fault when a man finds out he has been lied to.  This exposes your personal truth about yourself and your truth is that a TS is not a real woman and must confess to being something other than a Cis female or she deserves to be a victim.  You also absolve the man of any guilt by saying that not accepting the TS woman as female is the TSs fault, not his fault.  You side with people who view TS women as not actually being women.  You are welcome to believe as you choose but forcing others to adopt your moralistic reasoning and victim blaming don't belong on any "support" forum, at least not in my own opinion.



LOL victim blaming? So you believe if someone is stealth, is in a relationship and he finds out, the TS is a victim? I never said "It's OK for him to becomes violent" and if he did then yes the TS is a victim of the violence. But if he simply got pissed off and left her over finding out she has been lting to him, who is to blame? What exactly did the guy do here that was wrong?

And where did I say anywhere that you are still trans or that a TS isn't a real woman? Or come up with this "You side with people who view TS women as not actually being women." Here is a hint on why that isn't the case, I'm a woman.  This TS women aren't real women seems to be what you feel. Earlier in this thread you explained only a stealth TS can be "one of the girls". If a TS woman -is- a real woman why would you feel people have to hide this to be accepted as one?

And yes, if you never tell your -life partner- your past, it's a lie by omission. Maybe you don't think it's important but you are assuming for them it's not. Maybe it is, maybe they could care less. But you are never giving them the chance to make this choice, you have decided for them what is important. A sexual relationship assumes something kinda critical to the relationship... you get one guess here what that is. To say something like a sex change should have no bearing nor be of any importance in a sexual relationship is.. IDK crazy talk is the only thing that comes to mind.

I found this quote actually quite sad, " Telling your partner things you have never told anyone else may work for you, that does not mean it will work for everyone.  Not everyone wants to hear it." You're right, one night stands, friends with benefits and -sex partners- don't want to hear intimate things about you. Someone that really loves you will.
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Stephe

Quote from: O_O on December 28, 2012, 11:18:21 PM
Why doesn't Annah focus on Annah or offer support instead of restriction? 

Opinions, assumptions and fear-mongering stated as fact (again).

You seem to forget you were the one who explained: there is no way anyone will accept someone as "on of the girls" unless they are -stealth like me-. Seems like you have "restricted" acceptance as a woman to people who follow your chosen path.

And then you say Annah is "fear mongering" and I am "victim blaming" lol!


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Flan

OK kids, it's chill time (tm).

The choice to disclose about trans status depends on factors unique to each person as is the choice of reaction by their partner. This never has or will take away the responsibilities by either party to either disclose before intimate encounters (for pre-surgery people), or to walk away if one does not agree to being with the other (our mythical hair-trigger partner).

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