Susan's Place Logo

News:

Please be sure to review The Site terms of service, and rules to live by

Main Menu

My body is changing without hormones

Started by JLT1, January 13, 2013, 02:57:23 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

JLT1

I'm a 50 year old, probably genetically male and everything seems to be changing – both physically and emotionally.  I'm trying, for the first time in my life, to figure out who I am and even what I am.  Seems strange to do this at my age but I'm the consummate people pleaser, which I think comes from being raised on a small resort and taking care of customers.  The customers paid the bills so they needed to be happy.  So I've spent my life making the people around me happy.  Their happiness didn't necessarily include my happiness.
Anyway, I'm married to a good woman who loves me and whom I love.  We never had children because I can't but she had two from a previous marriage and I love them both (plus the four grand kids). I have a great job that I like, that pays really well and I work with a fun bunch of people.  Great home, nice truck, some money in the bank.  I also now own that family resort (although I now have managers to run it).  I actually managed to get most of "the dream".  Problem is two fold: I've been living in hiding as on the inside I'm more female than male AND, for what ever reason, my physical body is becoming more and more womanly without me taking hormones. 
Yep – I haven't taken any hormones.  My testosterone has dropped to 110 total and 28 bioavailable over the past few months from 640 and 140 in March of 2012.  Constant slide down, repeated samples taken at approximately the same time of day.  Estrogen has risen sightly and is now constant in the 40-60 range.  It's now been eight months since this started and I have the softer skin, the loss of muscle mass (despite working out with weights), minor changes in my face, my personality has changed some (I'm not nearly as aggressive), I've lost quite a bit of weight  (intentionally) and am starting to get "curves".  I fit great in a 40D, not a 40C (to small), not a 42C(loose and small) or 42D(big) but a real 40D (just what will happen when I start estrogen?).  I tried on a "body suit shaper" yesterday – kinda like a woman's one piece bathing suit – I look better than many women I have seen on the beach (still have some more weight to loose though).  And while I actually like the changes (like the mellower me, love my breasts!), the changes have come accompanied by physical pain and are emotionally a little disturbing.  It's not the changes, it's not knowing why.....
Without going into details – I've been to five urologist, three endocrinologists, two internal medicine doctors, a geneticist, a cardiologist and a dermatologist.  I even went to the Mayo clinic and saw who knows what there.  They have taken MRIs of most of my body, CT scanned large parts of it, had a couple mammograms and there have been numerous ultrasounds.  I have a minor nerve problem in my back that leads to some numbness and when one of my testicles swells (every 28 days), there is a significant increase in blood flow to the swollen testicle (yep, every 28 days, a testicle swells up with pain similar to testicular torsion).  No one knows why this happens.  But other than that, I am perfectly fit.  (Every doctor I see insists on examining my prostate – sometimes more than once and that area has been the subject of one MRI, one CT and two ultrasounds).  Perfectly fine...  Tried testosterone, that hit my prostate hard – it became very enlarged and very painful.  I did it so I could tell my wife I tried even though I knew, somehow, that this wasn't a good idea and wasn't going to work.  So now, I'm going to embrace the change.  A change that I actually want very much.
I've been seeing a psychologist who sees transgendered FTM and MTF and has been doing so for years.  Wonderful person.  We decided a couple months ago to treat my psychological desire to become more feminine separate from the physical issue, mostly because we exhausted all medical options.  About being male or female, I think about my sexuality perhaps a little differently than what I've been reading or seeing (although I thank everyone for posts – it helps so much).  When I put on a man's suit I am also putting on a persona – arrogant, dominant, looking good. When I put on male work clothes, I am ready to get dirty, focused on the task at hand, focused on getting thinks done.  When I put on work out clothes, I work out hard, strong.  But none of these persona are me.  When I put on woman's clothes, I am dressing me, just me.  I'm not adopting a persona, I'm just dressing me.
On Wednesday, I have an appointment to start feminization hormones.  I'm excited.  I can't believe that I'm actually doing it.  I've wanted to for a long time but never had the strength in me to follow through.  Realistically, I wouldn't be doing it if my body didn't decide to take the initiative.  But it still bothers me – why  the physical changes with no hormones?  I'm a 40D!  How did this happen?  Any one hear of anthing similar?
To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
  •  

RedFox

well, if you've done all the tests and there isn't something abnormally wrong with an organ (ie cancer or something) than it's likely your brain.  People often underestimate the powers of the mind over the body.  A small example is how when people call in sick to work and act sick they often end up feeling just like they were pretending.

In split personalities as a person changes from one personality to another their eye color can change, they gain or lose birth marks and other distinguishing characteristics.

Basically I'm saying that for some reason your mind could be taking control of your hormone levels.  I'm having a similar effect as I've already started some breast growth and I haven't started on HRT yet.  I just had blood drawn a few days ago though so I haven't seen my levels yet, but I do suspect they deviate from the norms.

Best of luck - it sounds like barring the discovery of something wrong it's a blessing in disguise.


  •  

JLT1

You are in agreement with my psychologist - my mind is driving the changes.  Wish it didn't hurt though.  Odd that you mentioned eye color - I've got "mood eyes" - changes from dark brown through shades of green all the way to silver.  Although I'm not multi-personality.
To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
  •  

peky

How about the wife? How is she taking your transition?
  •  

JLT1

This kind of caught us both by suprise.  I daydreamed about being a woman occasionally but really didn't even cross dress more than a few times.  I have known for a long time that all things being equal, I'd become a woman but they are NOT equal.  Family, friends, job - everything is affected.  I held off.... Then, I'm in an endocrinologist's office and she mentions that I might want to think about a breast reduction for my then B sized breasts.  I jumped back in horror without thinking, suprising the doctor and even myself.  Upon thinking, I decided I needed to talk to someone about conflicted feelings/emotions/being.
For my wife, she had to help me take out a swollen testicle in the Emergency Room at Mayo.  Easily three times the size - think small orange.  Hurt so bad I couldn't really stand - on a person with an extraordinarily high pain tolerance.  She just wants me to quit hurting.  But she's beginning to see where things are going, even though I have told her.  She knows I would hold off surgery if it means we would be to gather.  I would even put on a persona for her, for us.  We like to dance.
I had been wearing tight sports bra's to keep things hidden (the band kind).  I had to switch to an underwire because the band type just wouldn't give good support.  She saw this morning that I am now, even larger than she is.  She's quiet now, thinking.  I'm doing what I can to help her....
To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
  •  

patstar

Fascinating! This is quite a bit more remarkable because you're  not a teenager or even a twenty-something, but well into middle-age.  Let me say that, with there being nothing medically wrong, I think you are highly lucky.  Also, I agree with SageFox: never under-estimate the powers or capabilities of the human mind.  The best of luck to you.
Well wishes to all. Patrice
  •  

carol_w

Go to aebrain dot blogspot dot com and read her story.  She suddenly and inexplainedly travelled from male to female on the fast train - no hormones, no nothing.  Read her earlier blogs from 2003 and 2004 - really fascinating.

It could be that you're doing something similar, though not as fast. 

Best of luck to you!
 
  •  

dana510

I've gone through a milder version of this over the past few years (now 40). I'm not sure how I feel about it.
  •  

noeleena

Hi,

Try looking at intersexed,  it does happen to some of us,

...noeleena...
Hi. from New Zealand, Im a woman of difference & intersex who is living life to the full.   we have 3 grown up kids and 11 grand kid's 6 boy's & 5 girl's,
Jos and i are still friends and  is very happy with her new life with someone.
  •  

Simon

Mine started to change without synthetic hormones too. Took them years to figure out what was wrong with me. I thought maybe it was meant to be. I had a tumor behind my uterus that was hard to detect on scans. Had a hysto and now am on T shots (which are working better than what small amount I had naturally in the 300 range).

Just be careful and don't give up on finding out "why". You can't simply will yourself into something. I can't think everyday about being a tiger and wake up one. There is a physical reason this is happening to you.
  •  

JLT1

Haven't checked back for a few days.  Apologies and thanks for the replies.

As I actually feel like a woman on the inside and my body has seemingly decided to go there regardless, I decided to embrace the change.  I started estrogen one week ago.  So far, the big effect is I feel good.  I feel good for the first time in months.  My testicles are not swollen anymore.  The 28-day pain was lees intense in the testicular region but the same or even a little worse in the pelvis.  I pee better.  However, everything else that I have read about starting estrogen hasn't happened.  No muscle problems, no real emotional changes.  Still have the periodic pain in my nipples that I have had for the past 10 months. That's about it.  But it is a win as I've been hurting for a long time.

As far as giving up...I'm not giving up.  My current thought is some very odd metabolism problem or some type of intersex.  I still have a couple more followup appointments with specialists, one of whom is intrigued.  I'm guessing an intrigued specialist is a good thing when one has good insurance (I have good insurance). 

The wife - she goes back and forth on things.  The estrogen has helped the pain and she likes that.  She loves me but she is not attracted to women so that is a BIG issue.  She laughs at me putting on a bra (which she says I actually need but I guess I don't do it with finesse).  Even though I have a feeling I'm already part way through my transition, it's not done, there will be more changes and she isn't going to like that.  However, I don't see another option. 
To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
  •  

milktea

Quote from: noeleena on January 22, 2013, 02:09:16 AM
Hi,

Try looking at intersexed,  it does happen to some of us,

...noeleena...

Yes it doesn't seem to be AIS but could be other intersex related conditions. It is often genetically determinable and time triggered.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
I have a post-op recovery blog now...yeah!
  •  

aleon515

I'm surprised no one mentioned andropause. I had a similar thing happen about this age (on the other side of the fence being ftm). I am maybe one of only two people (actually heard it common in trans people) to like menopause. I stopped all the emotional responses to stuff and kind of flattened out emotionally. I feel much more happy in that state, like that is where I should be. I think that older people look more androgynous which also seemed to suit me more.

I understand you can can, in andropause, even get chest growth and your definitely going to lose muscle mass.

It could be something else, of course. I think it unlikely to "will yourself" into something like this. Sounds physiological.

BTW, there are conditions in FTMs where the ovaries produce T, so I am guessing there are benign conditions in male bodied people which produce E. Your body already has the ingredients, so to speak.

--Jay
  •  

JLT1

Thank you for the responces.  I take them all very seriously and check out each suggestion.

A quick update....I'm on estrogen patch, enough to push Estrogen levels up to 130-200 pg/mL.  I have three appointments this week so I'll find out just how high it is but I've been higher than that before I started the patch.  Hoping for a detailed pelvic MRI as they just did a quickie scan before.  Something is either making estrogen or I'm not metabolising estrogen.  However, the patch has really leveled things out, including my mood. I feel good, so much less up and down and no severe mood swings.  I am tired though and have been making a lot of stupid little errors.

Physically, my body be a changing.  Nipple growth (wow, I really wanted that - looked stupid with D's and tiny nipples).  Face has filled out some.  Skin was soft before.  Facial hair is starting to change.  Cold all the time.  Previous intestinal difficulties have gone away (probably mentally better so that fixed that).  Libido is actually better in that it is more in control.  (Before there were times where nothing would happen and other times, for no reason, things HAD to happen.)  Over all, the changes are so positive.  Just hoping that it isn't something bad causing things.

My wife is more accepting.  She likes the calmer and feeling better me.
To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
  •  

AdamMLP

I don't really feel like it would be possible to change your body just because of your brain. That said though both me and my girlfriend agree that I am getting hairier on my arms and stomach and neither of us know why, so maybe it is possible.
  •  

Annah

Quote from: SageFox on January 13, 2013, 03:56:16 PM


In split personalities as a person changes from one personality to another their eye color can change, they gain or lose birth marks and other distinguishing characteristics.


Ive never heard of that.

I don't think anyone can change their hormone levels just by thinking about it. To me that would be like an amputee growing a limb back through positive thinking.
  •  

RedFox

#16
Quote from: Annah on February 03, 2013, 01:09:57 PM
Ive never heard of that.

I don't think anyone can change their hormone levels just by thinking about it. To me that would be like an amputee growing a limb back through positive thinking.

Your example isn't along the same lines as what I talked about.  Michael Murphy wrote a book "Future of the Body" that details many examples of how peoples minds controlled their body.  From spiritual examples (ie stigmata) to simply mind over body (ie the iceman).  People walk on fire and hot coals.. science says they shouldn't be able to.  Lying on a bed of nails.. shouldn't work.. but can be done with a truck running over you.  Pulling a locomotive with your teeth.  The human body and human mind is still very unexplored territory.  Never underestimate the power of our subconscious desires or of our conscious determination.  I'm not saying you can fly if you want it hard enough, but many things are within the realm of possibilities.  Changing our bodies at a cellular or hormonal level is certainly within the range of the possible.

On a side note - I got the results of my blood tests.  Turns out my estrogen is at 205 pg/ml.  Well above the male norm and within the range of female norms.  And I haven't done anything more than take some herbs (though hadn't in two weeks at the time of the test).  Right now I'm at a small B cup size.  I'm so looking forward to being on actual HRT.


  •  

Simon

Quote from: AlexanderC on February 03, 2013, 12:53:57 PM
I don't really feel like it would be possible to change your body just because of your brain. That said though both me and my girlfriend agree that I am getting hairier on my arms and stomach and neither of us know why, so maybe it is possible.

It's because you're young. You're in the age where physical changes are supposed to happen naturally.

Quote from: SageFox on February 03, 2013, 04:38:14 PM
People walk on fire and hot coals.. science says they shouldn't be able to.  Lying on a bed of nails.. shouldn't work.. but can be done with a truck running over you.  Pulling a locomotive with your teeth.

Many things like walking on hot coals have been debunked and revealed for what they really are, a trick.

We can not simply wish ourselves into a certain state of being.
  •  

JLT1

We take the good with the bad.  The good are the changes.  The bad is the pain.  The testicular pain has stopped but that still leaves the pelvic pain.  It started again tonight.  I can hardly breathe when it first starts but it's already better.  Another Sunday night with little sleep and I work tomorrow.  This is the twelfth time, the twelfth month.  If this is my brain causing this, then something is seriously wrong with my brain.  I'll be fine, it isn't as bad as it was!  I will tell everyone when they figure things out even if it is my brain.  Thank you for your messages.  JLT1 (Jennifer) is out for a few days - I'll need some extra sleep to make up for what is here and what is coming.  This part sucks.

To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
  •  

JLT1

Quote from: dana510 on January 22, 2013, 01:55:02 AM
I've gone through a milder version of this over the past few years (now 40). I'm not sure how I feel about it.

Better today and this got pointed out to me - I missed this - I apologise.  Dana 510, how serious or even similar is the problem?  You may wish to see a doctor and possibly, a psychologist.  There are a lot of things that could be causing this.  I ruled out a bunch of possible causes by the tests but if you haven't ruled them out as well, you may wish to do so.  As far as a psychologist, I'm 50 and this is only the second time I've ever seen one.  I find it difficult to ask for help.  Getting a second look at things from another vantage point can help sort things out.
To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
  •