Transitioning Because of Deep Admiration for Opposite Sex?

[DrillQuip]

Is it possible that some people might identify and physically transition to become the opposite sex because they admire that sex so much more then their own? I hate to open a can of bees but I've noticed a lot of transexuals seem to have positive feelings for the gender they Id with and negative feelings for the one they dont. Any thoughts on why this is or what's going on?

[Edge]

A lot of people have positive feelings for their sex and negative ones for the other(s). Also, a lot of cis men and women I've met have negative feelings for their sex and positive ones for the other(s), but they don't identify with the sex they see as positive. There are also a lot people who admire or dislike all sexes equally. (I'm for that last one.)
As for why this is, I think it depends on the individual.

[gennee]

Each situation is different. It wouldn't be fair for me to answer for others.
I'm not going to transition but I can say that I prefer the feminine.
I don't hate my masculinity. I feel comfortable and complete being referred
in the feminine gender.

[Biscuit_Stix]

Is it possible that some people might identify and physically transition to become the opposite sex because they admire that sex so much more then their own? I hate to open a can of bees but I've noticed a lot of transexuals seem to have positive feelings for the gender they Id with and negative feelings for the one they dont. Any thoughts on why this is or what's going on?

Possibly because the gender they want to transition to is 'the light at the end of the tunnel'. It's what they've always wanted, but have been denied for so long. And they're usually denied by members of their assigned gender. I've seen more women hold back FTM's and more men hold back MTF's than the other way around. Society dictates 'stay as you are' and we associate negative feelings with things that keep us from our goals. So, in short, the gender transitioned to is the ideal, and the gender assigned becomes like a villain. Positive feelings to the new, and negative associated memories with the old.

[Emily Aster]

Is it possible that some people might identify and physically transition to become the opposite sex because they admire that sex so much more then their own? I hate to open a can of bees but I've noticed a lot of transexuals seem to have positive feelings for the gender they Id with and negative feelings for the one they dont. Any thoughts on why this is or what's going on?

I've thought about this very thing a lot. Fearing that I was doing this for the wrong reasons. After a LOT of introspection, I realized that wasn't really the reason I was doing it. I never allowed myself to consider if a guy looked good (homophobic family), but when I started doing it, I realized I was just as intrigued by the way men look as the way women do. I do get along with women considerably better than men and have trust issues primarily with men and thought along those lines too. In the end I realized it was just an internal feeling and looking at these other apparent factors was just confusing the heck out of me.

[suzifrommd]

Is it possible that some people might identify and physically transition to become the opposite sex because they admire that sex so much more then their own? I hate to open a can of bees but I've noticed a lot of transexuals seem to have positive feelings for the gender they Id with and negative feelings for the one they dont. Any thoughts on why this is or what's going on?

I think this can be one more symptom of being transgender.

[Nero]

Re: Transitioning Because of Deep Admiration for Opposite Sex?

Honestly, I see this very much in the mtf community (deep admiration for women and disdain for men) but the opposite to a large degree in the ftm community. There seems to be an awful lot of man shaming going on in the ftm community.
However, ciswomen often have an open disdain for men as well, so this isn't at all odd for mtfs.
I don't think anyone transitions because of it.

EDIT: Case in point, this guy certainly doesn't have a deep admiration for men.

[Kaelin]

I'd hope not, but in all manners of things, people tend to identify with groups with whom they relate or respect.  Even with things outside of gender, I find identification is a much more free and accurate judgment when I'm not looking at certain groups as good or bad, but that option is not always available.  I was raised to believe that Catholicism was true and gave it the old college try despite not ever "feeling" God or Jesus or any of that, and I aligned my prejudices accordingly (albeit rather weakly).  Gradually and eventually I "escaped," and I held some amount of resentment dogmatic religion in general, and I dropped religion entirely.  Nowadays my dissatisfaction is more specific (about various institutions and people, known and unknown, who have made harmful choices, for making those choices) rather than Catholicism or religion as a whole, and I currently attend a UU church.  I think this nuance makes my agnosticism even stronger, since the foundation is built on more-enduring beliefs and issues of merit that transcend society as we know it, and it is unconcerned with whether the belief is morally-right or morally-wrong but rather what I think is true.

"Admiration" or respect is one thing, but when the scale is tipped in such a way where one is regarded as intrinsically better than the other, then one can feel awfully tempted to identify accordingly, despite it not necessarily optimally serving oneself.  I mean, I correctly resolved my agnosticism pretty soon after becoming an adult, but it took me a while to find there could exist a way for me to function within a "church" in a sense.  What helped in this discovery was realizing that there could theoretically exist a church that could do something for me (besides just letting me dress however I'd like, but it does that, too).  Letting the raw frustration with the Catholic church (and various fundamental churches which have made big splashes in terms of policy and attention over time) ease up helped me better identify what my deeper feelings called for.

Yeah, I could see how that can happen.

[kelly_aus]

Hmm, interesting question.. I can't see my transition being caused by anything other than a simple case of a non-matched body and mind. I don't have any great admiration for the female of the species - nor do I have any huge disdain for men.

[Sandy]

Is it possible that some people might identify and physically transition to become the opposite sex because they admire that sex so much more then their own? I hate to open a can of bees but I've noticed a lot of transexuals seem to have positive feelings for the gender they Id with and negative feelings for the one they dont. Any thoughts on why this is or what's going on?

That is roughly the definition of  ->-bleeped-<-.  A discredited theory put forth by Ray Blanchard.  Basically it espoused that MTF transsexuals had such a sexualized attraction to females that they actually wanted to become females.  It was solely a sexual definition of the condition.

The theory has never been regarded highly, or at all.  Ray Blanchard was heavily promoted by Anne Lawrence in her book, "The Man Who Would Be Queen".  Anne Lawrence is a self identified  ->-bleeped-<-c.

In addition to having sloppy scientific data, it also completely ignored the fact that there could even be female-to-male transsexuals, because women "Don't think that way".

It's not opening a can of bees, at least for me, because, my condition has absolutely noting to do with sexuality.  I did not go through the horrific and wonderful changes I've been through just so I could wear a bra all the time.  Nor is it a non-stop sex party for me (not hardly ).

I changed, not because I have positive feelings for women in general, I do, but that's not the reason.  I changed because I am a woman.  And I didn't turn in my penis card because I hate guys.  I like to look at 'em, but I can't figure them out for the life of me.

-Sandy

[Lesley_Roberta]

I can't say I 'admire' females as reason to desire to be one. I admit, I see so much in media, and it bums me out 'I wish that could be me'. But I don't consider that admiration, just envy.

Now on the other hand, I do indeed hate my gender and males as a whole so powerfully that I wish to stop being one. The reasons I have already stated elsewhere.
I do wish I had some control over the hate. It bothers me I can't seem to really control it.

In fact I'd like to right now come out and state, that I will no doubt regret any offense I might give to any that were dumped in a female body at birth and are making the effort to correct that. No doubt a lot of my male hating commentary will sound like I am hating on them too (after all they desire to be males).

Note my sig line though I have a big mouth.

Some days, I just wish my wife was working an atypical job, and would just tell me off. Woman, I expect this place clean when I get home, and dinner ready, and I expect you wearing something pleasing to my eye. And I expect you to learn how to detect when it is time to make yourself useful in bed.

Not going to happen though. I married a totally hopeless submissive wife. The idea of being 'put in my place' hehehe, so not going to ever happen.

I sure am a contradiction ain't I.

[Beth Andrea]

I have really strong feelings against men, all of which because they cause so much pain, hurt and death. I'm sure there are good men out there, but I am not a man, whether good or evil.

It was when I learned I could be a woman, that I learned this. A lifetime of trying, trying to put a square peg in a round hole (no pun intended), and AT LAST a realization that transsexuals aren't lunatics...

Now as a woman, I'm able to see men for what they are: men. Neither good nor evil unless deeds prove otherwise...but *I* am not one of them.

[emmyiskindacool]

When I was little and throughout my adolescence and teenage years I was really "girl crazy" and just was always in awe of women who I thought were so beautiful and how women were so much better than men, etc...

That all ended in my teenage years though. I don't think I would ever transition based on that kind of idolizing of one gender over another. Eventually I saw that things weren't like that at all.

It's now that I don't idolize one gender over another that I feel like I can make decisions about transitioning. Otherwise, I think if someone transitioned for those other reasons they might end up really regretting it because they based it off of putting one gender on a pedestal.

[Sephirah]

I can only speak personally on this. I've met some truly, horrifically vile and nasty women in my life, and conversely some amazing, incredibly wonderful guys. People are people. I don't tend to have a likeness for, or revulsion for one physical sex over another. Minds are what interest me more, and in that, there is good and bad in everything and everyone.

Having said that, however. Sometimes I do find myself thinking along these lines, but not for any sort of inherent trait of the sexes themselves. It's more what associations I have with them. I don't admire other women because they're women. I'm not actually sure I admire other women at all. However, for me they have an association with freedom, and release. This appeals to me. At least for now.

Although... I don't consider women to be the opposite sex, at least as far as my sense of self is concerned. I consider myself one, too, in every way which matters to me, regardless of my physical state of being. As I said, minds interest me more. Which makes me wonder that if people identify as a certain gender... are they actually transitioning into something opposite? I don't think so. So maybe any admiration is simply an expression of aspiration. They see in others that which they wish for themselves. The freedom to be themselves.

[JulieC.]

Is it possible that some people might identify and physically transition to become the opposite sex because they admire that sex so much more then their own? I hate to open a can of bees but I've noticed a lot of transexuals seem to have positive feelings for the gender they Id with and negative feelings for the one they dont. Any thoughts on why this is or what's going on?

I have also thought about this where my self is concerned.  I do have more respect for females in general.  I may come off as hating men but that isn't really the case at all.  I know women that are horrible people.  And I know some men that are very admirable and that I truly love.  I must admit though I do wonder... Is it really the qualities I associate with being female that I long for? and is it not actually necessary to become a female to have those qualities?  For me I think I want to be a woman with those qualities I admire.  Not just a woman that's nasty and horrible or a man with those qualities.  Good question for therapy.   

[peky]

Is it possible that some people might identify and physically transition to become the opposite sex because they admire that sex so much more then their own? I hate to open a can of bees but I've noticed a lot of transexuals seem to have positive feelings for the gender they Id with and negative feelings for the one they dont. Any thoughts on why this is or what's going on?

I have also noticed that we GID people tend to idealize the gender we identify with. We all have our heroes and heroines, we idealizes some peoples or cultures as well. Yet, I think part of growing up is coming to terms to the fact -that as stated by others- people are people regardless of gender, sexual orientation, or ethnicity   

[suzifrommd]

I have also noticed that we GID people tend to idealize the gender we identify with. We all have our heroes and heroines, we idealizes some peoples or cultures as well. Yet, I think part of growing up is coming to terms to the fact -that as stated by others- people are people regardless of gender, sexual orientation, or ethnicity   

Yes, though I'm pretty sure I see this with a lot of cis people too.

[aleon515]

Actually I think I like women better, as a species I mean ( individuals its all a crap shoot). I just don't feel like one. I actually think for me liking women better made me think I was not--and I hate this word transsexual. I was also in the women's rights movement when I was young. I suppose you could still call this a complicating factor in my trans experience.

Jay

[Chaos]

Speaking for myself only,I am a man and the only thing i have ever had towards other men are how so many have used and abused woman causing emotional scaring.Other then this i have nothing ill towards either sex and i can say in all honestly it had nothing to do with my transition.I was 100% in the wrong body,that is it.