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Started by Kendall, October 27, 2005, 08:45:40 AM

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Kendall

The end of the movie summed up the purpose. When asked why they were doing it? They replied, because you were home. Had they not been home.... A focus of making the very act of being home, fearful and dangerous.

Had they stayed out and not got into the argument, and went home early, the knock at the door would not have been heard, and probably they would have moved to another house.
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Reese

I understand the point The Strangers was attempting to make, what with the whole "because you were home" line: ^ explained it well.

But I felt like throughout the whole movie, I was just watching an hour and a half long chase scene.
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Ms Jessica

I understand Ken/Kendra's point about it "because you were home"-- the movie plays to some very basic psychological assumptions.  Specifically under attack is one's idea of safety-- you're not safe in your home, even a summer home, or whatever, because people might mess with you "just because".  I had come to a similar conclusion about the film myself. 

The "because you were home" reminds me of a line from "Scream" where Billy Loomis says something along the lines of "Did they ever figure out why Norman Bates killed people, or why Hannibal Lecter was a cannibal?.... It's scarier when there's no motive" although I don't entirely agree with that assessment.  I think that Norman Bates and Hannibal Lecter were main characters, flawed protagonists maybe, in their movies.  You spend most of the two hours getting to know them, at least in a sense.  You may not have a clear assessment of motive for murder but you understand something about the murderer's inner dynamic.  Hannibal Lecter considers some things to be rude, but doesn't consider murder to be one of those things.  Norman Bates has some internal struggles that are tangled up with his Mum.  I guess if there is a bit of a point to either "Psycho" or "Silence" it might be one of those "we have seen the monster and it is us"; we can relate to both Bates and Lecter, at least to some level. 

Since the Strangers wasn't after a similar relationship with its audience, it makes sense that there is less known about the killers. 

I also thought the beginning pretty much gave away the entire movie.  It felt like an hour and a half long snuff film after that.  How does the blood spatter end up on the wall?  Who dies where?  It isn't an issue of who dies, it's an issue of how the initial set of characters ends up in the final configuration. 

All of that is just not enough for me.  What drives someone to attack others "just because"?  What is the deal with the Strangers?  We may not figure out their motives, but what's their dynamic?  They felt like extras in a movie where they're the title characters. 
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Kendall

Scary movies in my view, have simple story plots.

I liked Black Christmas original, which you don't even really see the main character, except a brief shadowy view, through "its" eyes, and it's crazy sounds.

Strangers was from the victim's point of view, being chased by "someone" or something. The "strangers" seemed rather ghost-like, and I wasn't sure they were even human.

Yes the beginning shows the end with the quick flash of around the house and the 911 call, gave away what was going to happen. Although the end when you think she is dead and she reaches up towards the boy, leaves you thinking she is still alive (maybe he is also). If so, a very low body count, only one for certain one (the accidental shooting).

Yes these were strangers, and you do know very little about them, though at the end, when she was asked if she sinned by those boys, she said sometimes. Then they mentioned that next time it would be easier, I think is a good way to end the movie.

A chase scene movie? Definately.

Speaking of Hannibal. Hannibal Rising bored me to sleep, even though it told me why he killed. And the second movie I only liked the ending. Silence of course, Hannibal wasn't the killer (except when he escaped), that other guy that skinned people was the killer. He created the atmosphere.
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Vexing

Personally, I like Horror in a Can.
i.e. Event Horizon and Alien.
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iminadaze

My aunts took me to see Alien when I was just a youngling....took a while to sleep at night after that one. It was just so.... :icon_yikes: !   
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iminadaze

My mom loved scary movies and I would always beg to go with her to see them....Never quite learned my lesson. Two that got me to jump out of my seat were from the early 80's
My Bloody Valentine and Happy Birthday To Me. Dropped my popcorn during both of those movies.. :(
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mina.magpie

The scariest movie EVER is Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. I was four, they had a priest of Kali. Not good.

Mina.
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vanna

Quote from: mina.m->-bleeped-<-ie link=topic=1334.msg328545#msg328545 date=1231232356
The scariest movie EVER is Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. I was four, they had a priest of Kali. Not good.

Mina.

Lol awww

"hug"
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mina.magpie

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vanna

Quote from: mina.m->-bleeped-<-ie link=topic=1334.msg328562#msg328562 date=1231244321
Quote from: Vanna on January 06, 2009, 06:15:10 AM
Lol awww

"hug"

I'm NOT joking. :P

Mina.  ;D

No sweetie i know you quite well i sure you wasnt :)

Indie killed that bad guy in the end thuogh :P
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mina.magpie

Quote from: Vanna on January 06, 2009, 06:22:20 AM
Quote from: mina.m->-bleeped-<-ie link=topic=1334.msg328562#msg328562 date=1231244321
Quote from: Vanna on January 06, 2009, 06:15:10 AM
Lol awww

"hug"

I'm NOT joking. :P

Mina.  ;D

No sweetie i know you quite well i sure you wasnt :)

Indie killed that bad guy in the end thuogh :P

Nope. The crocodiles did. ;)

Mina.
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Sephirah

Switchblade Romance.

Cool film. Kinda creepy.
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vanna

Quote from: mina.m->-bleeped-<-ie link=topic=1334.msg328570#msg328570 date=1231244935
Quote from: Vanna on January 06, 2009, 06:22:20 AM
Quote from: mina.m->-bleeped-<-ie link=topic=1334.msg328562#msg328562 date=1231244321
Quote from: Vanna on January 06, 2009, 06:15:10 AM
Lol awww

"hug"

I'm NOT joking. :P

Mina.  ;D

No sweetie i know you quite well i sure you wasnt :)

Indie killed that bad guy in the end thuogh :P

Nope. The crocodiles did. ;)

Mina.

ahaha but only after Indie made him fall off...........No potatoe salad for you now :P
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vanna

Quote from: Leiandra on January 06, 2009, 06:32:03 AM
Switchblade Romance.

Cool film. Kinda creepy.

Hrmm i think i meant to see that an age ago but didnt, seem to remember the trailer for it looking really good.
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mina.magpie

Quote from: Vanna on January 06, 2009, 06:47:22 AM
ahaha but only after Indie made him fall off...........No potatoe salad for you now :P

Aw. I want potato salad!!! ... :eusa_boohoo:

Mina.
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soldierjane

Quote from: mina.m->-bleeped-<-ie link=topic=1334.msg328545#msg328545 date=1231232356
The scariest movie EVER is Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. I was four, they had a priest of Kali. Not good.

Mina.

Or Han Solo being frozen in carbonite when you're a little impressionable child  :icon_eek:
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mina.magpie

Quote from: soldierjane on January 06, 2009, 08:41:23 AM
Quote from: mina.m->-bleeped-<-ie link=topic=1334.msg328545#msg328545 date=1231232356
The scariest movie EVER is Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. I was four, they had a priest of Kali. Not good.

Mina.

Or Han Solo being frozen in carbonite when you're a little impressionable child  :icon_eek:

Oh yeah. That'll do it.  :P

Mina.
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Vexing

Ear-entry ->-bleeped-<-s in Wrath of Khan.

'Nuff said.
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Ms Jessica

Quote from: Ken/Kendra on January 05, 2009, 06:40:54 PM

I liked Black Christmas original, which you don't even really see the main character, except a brief shadowy view, through "its" eyes, and it's crazy sounds.

yes.  It's a device that works.  It worked flawlessly in the first Alien film.  You can't even tell how dated the effects are because there's just nothing to see. 


Quote from: Ken/Kendra on January 05, 2009, 06:40:54 PM
Strangers was from the victim's point of view, being chased by "someone" or something. The "strangers" seemed rather ghost-like, and I wasn't sure they were even human.
I thought the same thing.  I was thinking of The Others for about the first 30 to 45 minutes of the film. 

Quote from: Ken/Kendra on January 05, 2009, 06:40:54 PM
Yes the beginning shows the end with the quick flash of around the house and the 911 call, gave away what was going to happen. Although the end when you think she is dead and she reaches up towards the boy, leaves you thinking she is still alive (maybe he is also).

I did like that.  It sort of upended the scene at the beginning.  The problem I had at this point was in thinking "why even bother with the scene at the beginning?"  Cut it and let's move on.  The end with the reach out to the boy was perfectly good and could stand on it's own.


Quote from: Ken/Kendra on January 05, 2009, 06:40:54 PM
A chase scene movie? Definately.
it just felt too long.  Pump the adrenaline early, and try to keep it going for over an hour and a half.  Not going to happen.  about halfway through I was thinking "Enough.  Kill 'em already."  Imagine my dismay to realize I had 45 more minutes of this. 

For my criticism, I still thought it was a decent film.  There are a few things that this movie was able to accomplish that many generic slasher movies can't deliver.  And those things were done pretty well.  But I'm still glad I didn't pay the $10+ to see it in theatres. 

Quote from: Ken/Kendra on January 05, 2009, 06:40:54 PM
Speaking of Hannibal. Hannibal Rising bored me to sleep, even though it told me why he killed. And the second movie I only liked the ending. Silence of course, Hannibal wasn't the killer (except when he escaped), that other guy that skinned people was the killer. He created the atmosphere.
I'm trying to think of one, but can't really.  Lecter is pretty unlikeable.  Have any other "villains" really come to be flawed protagonists later on?  In the history of film up to Silence, I think Lecter was possibly the most violent, at least visually depicted on screen.  Other flawed protagonists might be thieves, or murderers or whatever, but Lecter ate people.  I'm sure there are villains that we're supposed to side with, but none who violate some of the basic laws of society such as "don't eat people."  But in spite of that, I get the sense we're still supposed to be rooting for him.  The protrayal of Buffalo Bill as "worse" than Lecter is also interesting.  It allows the viewer to admire Lecter without feeling bad.  We're teaming up with him to capture someone who's worse. 

As an aside to gender, I find it interesting that the thing that makes Buffalo Bill worse than Lecter is his "woman-suit" made of human skin.  The fact that his motivation to kill is tied into his gender identity, that it allows him to transgress societal norms wrt gender, is what makes him bad.  Or at least very clearly identifies him as bad in a compulsory heterosexual society.  Much more bad than Lecter.  I could say much more about that, but don't want to stray any more off my original thought.

So, back on track.  I feel like Lecter was relegated to a trope by the end of the films in which he appeared.  Silence was definitely the best.  Come to think of it, the same thing happened to Norman Bates.  Always a danger with sequels.  There might be more than one way to tell a story, but when you're using the same characters, the same writers, the same director, you're going to get the same story you told the first time. 


I think Vexing and I would be great friends.  Event Horizon holds a very special place in my heart.  :)
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