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Started by TheBattler, June 21, 2007, 06:44:33 AM

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cindianna_jones

QuoteNone of us would be depressed if we looked like 'you'....

Yes we would.  I admire people for their beauty and I admit that I am sometimes envious.  But being beautiful doesn't cure the depression.  Completely passing doesn't cure depression.  GRS doesn't cure depression.  Medication does not cure depression.  These things can help significantly, but they won't make IT completely go away.

It is a life long battle.  You need to find what will work for you and do it.  The depression may never go away but you can still lead a productive and happy life.

I find that if I get involved in a complicated and impossible project, I can put off those feelings for a while.  Once I master something, I need to find something else to do.  That's why I've never been able to work at any one job for more than two or three years.  The challenge makes me feel alive and gives my life meaning.

Take care hon.  You can figure out what will work for you.  Just keep trying.

Cindi
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Suzy

Well who wouldn't want to look like Deb?  It would be nice, but it would not cure my depression.  Completely passing or being able to follow my heart's dream of transition would not either.  Many of those things that sound so good bring with them a whole new set of unforeseen issues.  Then the whole cycles starts over again.

Most depression, if it is a true clinical depression, is caused by a chemical imbalance.  Modern drugs can help restore this balance.  But it must be part of an overall program of treatment.  There is no magic pill.  I have fought this for years, as have many here.  My experience is that there is no better cure than taking a good, productive, first step towards success in the area of difficulty.  And the next day you do the same, and keep on until success comes.  Some days will bring failure, but you have to look at overall progress and realize that progress might not be constant, but rather long-term.

Best of luck, sweetie, you can do this.  Let us know if we can help.

Peace,
Kristi
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Nero

Quote from: Berliegh on July 02, 2007, 05:52:06 AM
Quote from: debisl on June 21, 2007, 02:39:12 PM
Girls forget about depression. Pick your self up and be the woman you want to be. Concentrate on being a woman. Forget about all of the little stuff. If you put as much focus on being a woman as as being depressed you will have the problem solved. Don't worry about what people think. Think you want to be woman and do just that. Focus all of your mind to what you really want and forget the little things.

This is how I have done what I have done.

Deb

None of us would be depressed if we looked like 'you'....
Brrr. Someone must've cranked the AC too high in here.

What, because she's pretty, her advice isn't as valid as the others'? Come on, now.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Susan

Quote from: Berliegh on July 02, 2007, 05:52:06 AM
None of us would be depressed if we looked like 'you'....

If you think looks will make you happy, you have a lot of rough years ahead of you. I know some amazingly beautiful people who are some of the least happy people on earth...
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Keira


What do we know of Deb, Tink, or any of us, beyond our photos.
Its a strange thing to judge someone's inner soul from a photograph.

I don't know why looking good is seen as a kind of magic pill to life.
It's not. I looked very good as a guy, was in tip top shape, but was miserable.
Look pretty good now, but still I'm carrying 20 years of crap on my back and until I've shed it all, I'm not going to feel good about myself even if I win 10 or 20 beauty contests (not that I'm expecting too...).

A woman, a human, the outer self must be in tuned with the inner self for us to move on.

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Kate

Quote from: Keira on July 02, 2007, 03:39:42 PM
I'm not going to feel good about myself even if I win 10 or 20 beauty contests...

Of course, and I didn't mean to imply I'm hung up on being beautiful, or see that as a ticket out of depression. Being totally *passable* though would certainly make things much easier. There's still work to do of course, it's not THE answer, but it sure would help to reach that "ordinary life" I so long for...

~Kate~
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debisl

I hope none of you took my statement of "This is how I have done what I have done" as refering to beauty or looks. This was not my intension to imply.

As Susan says the mental anguish has been horrible for me and probably others here as well. You want to be a whole some body so bad and you can see a light at the end of the tunnel, but it is hard to get moving forward sometimes. This is when you have to grab up all of your fortitude and decide in your mind that you are going forward with no regrets and hope for happiness along the way. In my adolesent years I was a hopeless basket case. Things did not change too much for me as a teen, but I was transitioning. I exerted all of my energy to trying to get the look,and ignored the important things. At one time I was skin and bones because I wanted to look like all of the other thin girls around me. This was a very bad move as I was enemic. It wasn't till about 7 years ago I started feeling good about my inner self. This is when I came out of my shell. Prior to that I had very few friends that I could talk to except for my college mates who knew what I was going through. I pretended to be happy, and I abused alcohol to escape reality. I only drank when I was in a party atmosphere, but this was so I thought I would blend in with no pain.

Looks have been important to me, but more in the shape mode. I scare the dead in the morning before make-up. I have tried to keep myself in shape as much as I could. I guess in doing so I feel better about my shape. Truly with the right make-up you can transform anyone into something pretty. Make-up is a mask. Body toning is something lasting and it stays longer than make-up.

For those of you who meant a compliment, I thank you
I am not any different from anyone here. I am striving to be someone I was not born into physicaly.

Thanks for listening
Deb
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mavieenrose

My transsexual childhood was all about being a girl in my head, but having a boy's body.

The image I had of myself was never that of a totally drop-dead, gorgeous girl, but just a girl.

OK so I'm no top model, but then again I'm not particulary unattractive either. 

When all's said and done I suppose I'm just like 99% of the world's population; average.

And average is SO much better than what I once thought my adult life might be :)

MVER XXX 
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Lisbeth

Quote from: Keira on July 02, 2007, 03:39:42 PM
I don't know why looking good is seen as a kind of magic pill to life.
It's our culture, and it has destroyed the lives of more women that anyone can count.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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HelenW

Quote from: Keira on July 02, 2007, 03:39:42 PM
I don't know why looking good is seen as a kind of magic pill to life.
It's not.

I think that kind of standard has been formulated by our commercial culture to sell more product.  A minority of humans fit the ideal and most of them can only maintain it by buying and using many products for that purpose.

If everyone were satisfied about how they looked, who would waste money on the stuff?

That said, I'm not aware of any method by which I can get away from it (says Emelye as she reaches for her foundation and trowel).

hugs & smiles
Emelye
FKA: Emelye

Pronouns: she/her

My rarely updated blog: http://emelyes-kitchen.blogspot.com

Southwestern New York trans support: http://www.southerntiertrans.org/
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NatalieC

God I look terrible! Your all making me feel bad. I dont think I will ever pass any of your tests. This is depressing me. Yeah Deb is the most beautiful girl I have seen in a long while. Good on you others for being beautiful as well. I cant judge people can I? At least I look like myself in my pic. I dont know who you others are supposed to be?
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Berliegh

Quote from: Kate on July 02, 2007, 08:53:25 AM
Quote from: Berliegh on July 02, 2007, 05:52:06 AM

None of us would be depressed if we looked like 'you'....

Agreed... I mean I look at her pic sometimes and think, "Geez... why do I bother? I'm NEVER going to look that passable..." I realize it's not a beauty contest, and that comparing against others is pointless, but STILL... I can see how many girls would be thrilled with their results, where I just sometimes feel stupid for even TRYING when compared to her.

Alice, depression can come in waves. It WILL pass... if you just hang in there. But please forgive yourself too, I mean this IS a difficult journey we're all on - discovering who we REALLY are outside of who society tells us we "should" be. It hurts, I know, but it also means you're making progress, looking in the painful areas that need to be addressed in order to figure yourself out in depth.

~Kate~

Yes, in the picture debisl looks like a genetic female especially the face and breasts...
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MaraOnline

My depression is mostly caused by my denial. It would push my feelings down and put on a farce. I became so used to hiding and the more time that passed, the worse I became. I can say that now that I am facing my issues, I'm much happier. I too worry about my looks and honestly it is my looks that give me the most concern.
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Rachael

Quote from: Diane on June 21, 2007, 03:51:47 PM
Deb, depression is a very serious mental illness. Mind over matter is not a cure for depression. Meds help some people, but many people can't even be helped with meds.
depression can be cured by dealing with the cause once its identified, not wanging around on Anti depressants, its like putting a plug in someone who has an arterial bleed as opposed to sewing things up... sure it holds the blood in, but it doesnt allow the body to heal itself while its there...
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karmatic1110

Depression is something I know very well.  It seems like that it is my normal mode of existance.  For years my parents would send me to different therapists and I wouldn't even go inside.  I didn't want them to try and change me.  Oh how I wish I talked to them then.  I ended up trying to kill myself and that put me in a mental institution for around a month or so.  I came out feeling great as I thought my days of sadness were gone.

I mean who wouldn't?  I was put on Prozac and sent on my way.  I got back to school and all of a sudden I was popular for what I tried to do to myself.  I convinced myself that all guys must of thought about wanting to be female.  I mean how could they not?  I also assumed it was a natural extension of my attracton to women.  I pretty much decided that being social was more important than my grades.  It seemed it at the time and I loved it because it was such a huge change from what I was used to.  I was homecoming queen king  :( runner up 3 years in a row.

None of this changed how I felt about myself.  I did manufacture an ego, though it really wasn't genuine.  I hid my insecurities behind confidence. 

I suppose that I really doubted my desire to be a woman because it was so different than the typical story.  What I have learned and should have known is that it is the exception rather than the rule.  I never felt like a girl per se as a child.  I just felt very wrong and I knew I was different somehow.  The boys didn't want to play with me, and I had no idea why.  I always wanted to play with the girls.  I was facinated by their games and how they socialised.  I would start crying for no reason and I had no idea why.

My depression has taken on many forms.  Even now I get depressed and have my doubts about transition.  I am super critical of myself physically although I have gotten a lot better recently.  I am starting to see a girl in the mirror more and more.  I thought I wanted full FFS and now I am not so sure that I need it.  I have resigned myself to tweaks I suppose.  So days I just don't feel all that female and things don't seem so bad.  Its difficult giving up the woman you were going to marry and a future for anything, even if it is the right thing. 

So far, the hormones seem to be right for me.  It feels surreal and yet sometimes I look in the mirror and ask myself what I am doing.  I am almost too careful.  The GID seems to manifest itself in frusteration more that depression and self loathing at this point.  I see a beautiful girl and it just pains me.  Some days, I am in my car in a perfect mood and singing along to the radio, but I see a gorgeous girl walk by and then another and another.  By the time I get to my destination I am in a horrible mood!  Where were all of these beautiful girls  when I was trying to date them?  ;D  It seems like everyone moved here when I began my transition!

Regardless, I don't think my depression is over.  I feel as though in the end, what I will be depressed about will be less about me, and more about life's daily trials as a human being instead of as a transsexual.  That would be alright with me  ^-^

Lisbeth

Quote from: Kate on July 02, 2007, 08:53:25 AM
Quote from: Berliegh on July 02, 2007, 05:52:06 AM
None of us would be depressed if we looked like 'you'....
Agreed... I mean I look at her pic sometimes and think, "Geez... why do I bother? I'm NEVER going to look that passable..." I realize it's not a beauty contest, and that comparing against others is pointless, but STILL... I can see how many girls would be thrilled with their results, where I just sometimes feel stupid for even TRYING when compared to her.
I disagree.  I'm a mom, and I don't want to be anything but a mom.  I love being a mom.  I'd really hate to be a mom and look like a model.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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Rachael

what does being a mum ahve to do with not looking like a model? jesus girls, mothers are women too...
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Nero

Quote from: Lisbeth on July 05, 2007, 02:07:13 PM
I disagree.  I'm a mom, and I don't want to be anything but a mom.  I love being a mom.  I'd really hate to be a mom and look like a model.
Quote from: Rachael on July 05, 2007, 02:42:27 PM
what does being a mum ahve to do with not looking like a model? jesus girls, mothers are women too...
I'm with Rachael on this. Why? Looks don't define a woman, or her role. My mother is past 50 and still gorgeous, because she takes care of herself.
Excuse me, but your statement sounds a bit misogynistic.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Rachael

Transition for m2fs is all about mysogony, and steriotypes, mothers are just women who have given birth to children...

please tell me what a mother looks like... other than boobs, vagina, arms and legs?
when im a mother, i certainly wish to maintain my looks...
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