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Started by Rena-san, January 27, 2013, 09:57:16 PM

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Rena-san

You still feel entirely the same as you did without hormones. I'm six months in, and I've seen quite a bit of physical change. But I still feel exactly like me/how I was before I started hrt. What does that mean?
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Ms. OBrien CVT

Simple answer.  Transition does not change who you are, just the package.

  
It does not take courage or bravery to change your gender.  It takes fear of living one more day in the wrong one.~me
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Hideyoshi

I'm five months in, and I still have the same sense of humor, I'm still afraid of spiders, and I still like everything I used to. I'm just happier is all.
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RachelH

i still feel exactly the same. Although I'm told I'm acting differently, I don't really see it.  I suppose the difference is purely that the things I actually think of are allowed to come to the surface where everyone else can see who I really am, instead of censoring myself.  Also as a consequence I'm also seen to be happier much more often.  :)
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kinz

yeah, ok.

i'm almost three years in and i've never FELT different.  i'm sure if i got a good look at my body i would see it and be able to tell that there's been some pretty dramatic stuff going on.

but day to day?  i don't feel that.  other than occasionally getting cranky due to a lack of hormones there's been little to no effect on my personality.  other than being happier, i guess!
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Beth Andrea

Maybe because you haven't let your female self "out"? Still hiding behind a male-ish persona?

Or, maybe your female self has always been out, and it was only physical disphoria/conflict which drove you to HRT?

No matter what...relax, enjoy the ride...whatever happens.

:)
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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kinz

actually, i'm going to add this as a double post because of second thoughts on the matter.  i think i might have been engaging in a little intellectual dishonesty there, with myself, just to prove a point, and the truth is somewhat more complicated.  like everything with transition, really, but in this case i have a lot of feelings on the matter.

my hair-trigger response whenever i see thoughts like this is to affirm them, to say that people don't have to change, mostly because i've just seen from experience too many people who clearly change themselves purposefully to appear closer (and, perhaps to themselves, more legitimate) to what constitutes a man or a woman or anything else in our society.  so i build a narrative where that's me, too, where i don't change at all, and i just built up a facade to fool the gatekeepers while the part of me inside laughed and reaped the benefits.

but that's only one narrative, one perspective of mine, and it may or may not be the most accurate one.

the truth is that sometimes i changed to scary degrees, to the point where although i ACT a lot like the person i used to be, i sometimes can't even remember being him, can't even begin to understand how i changed from this one person to another, not when the changes were this great in three years.  because three years ago?  three years ago i was still trying to shed off the mantle i had built for myself that i was an effeminate straight guy.  which is only one facet of the story, i guess.  because two years ago i was getting into a relationship with a lesbian and not really feeling it, and in the moment i'm definitely sure i thought i was straight.  which isn't me at all, but there you have it.  social pressures on women are pretty rigid and compulsory heterosexuality is a stronger one than most people who transition really anticipate, i think.

somewhere i figured out that this post-transitional metaphase wasn't real, either, but that leaves a couple possibilities.  was i acting like who i really was before transitioning?  because right now that image feels about as fake as the one where i dressed myself up to be a straight girl.  i think back to three years ago, and i think, that's not me.  that's not the person i am today.  i still can't decide whether that's because i've simply changed by small amounts over three years or whether that's my brain's defense mechanism to seeing this toolish fae boy and recognizing that yeah, my consciousness was doing its thing in there for a while.  for a long while, actually, and for way longer than i've been "me", whatever "me" is.

so yeah, i've changed.  it's slow, and sometimes i didn't recognize it, but it happened.

i guess the other aspect of my response is that physiologically, i didn't feel that differently.  but i can't really separate, like, having hormones from actually transitioning, so i can't tell if one's affecting the other and if so, to what degree. 
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Rena-san

Quote from: Beth Andrea on January 28, 2013, 04:01:10 PM

Or, maybe your female self has always been out, and it was only physical disphoria/conflict which drove you to HRT?



I think that this is it. But I'm not sure. I don't think I ever developed any gender persona to be honest. I've never felt truly man because I'm intersex, though I was raised male, around the time of puberty it became apparent to me I wasn't developing. Now here I am, ten years late, finally taking a sex hormone, it's like I've been in prison for ten years.
There's residue of course from the testosterone my body did manage to finally make, but I just wonder if I would have said something when I was 12 and noticed something was wrong if something could have been done. Could I have been a better male if doctors had given me testosterone, or more specifically the DHT my body didn't make? Could I have been a better female if they had allowed me to take estrogen? I don't know. 

I don't know what I was expecting from HRT feeling wise. I guess I was expecting to feel "female," but I don't even know what male or female are supposed to feel like.
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kinz

Quote from: Hippolover25 on January 28, 2013, 05:24:18 PMI guess I was expecting to feel "female," but I don't even know what male or female are supposed to feel like.

the secret is that they don't feel like anything.
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RachelH

Quote from: transtrender on January 28, 2013, 08:01:05 PM
the secret is that they don't feel like anything.

Absolutely true, non trans people just don't think about it, so how would they realise?  My analogy is that they are on the planet and they don't realise they are rotating at a huge speed, were as we are in orbit looking at everyone else.
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Beth Andrea

I was fully male, and I never knew what a man was supposed to feel like inside. I just knew that I wasn't a man, and hoped that no one found out. Never even considered the possibility that I was female...after all, I had all the right parts, right? Obviously I just needed to grow a spine, drink some beers, beat up the dog...etc.

Yes, I would think that if you had mentioned something was wrong, it's *possible* that something might have been done differently...but that's all milk under the bridge now. Don't look back at the "coulda/shoulda/woulda/but didn't's" in your life.

You're here now, in 2013 with a body that's had 10 years of some testosterone effects....If you decide to join the Dark Side (i.e., female; "we have cookies!" is the motto), keep an eye open for changes if and when they occur...but don't "expect" any particular thing to happen--or to not happen.

If it's right, you'll know it. For me, I tried to do testosterone patches...and within hours I *knew* they were wrong for me. Anxiety, anger, omg omg omg get it off of me....but when I took estrogen, total calm and serenity. 

Now the thing for you is...you're intersexed. which means...you might, or might not, like one hormone over another...or you might be indifferent. If you're unhappy with your male stuff...maybe (after seeing a ther*pist), consider estrogen (sounds like you've already done this). In which case, try to remember what it was like before--were you happy, or unhappy? Now, with estrogen--are you happy, or unhappy?

Remember also that changes (if any) will take time, either quickly or loooooooong term. Although it sounds like transitioning is a long and difficult process...well, it is.

*hugs*
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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wheat thins are delicious

Quote from: Ms. OBrien VT on January 27, 2013, 10:08:44 PM
Simple answer.  Transition does not change who you are, just the package.

This.  The only difference between pre-hormones me and post-hormones me is that I look how I'm supposed to and am happier for it.


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TanaSilver

Quote from: RachelH on January 28, 2013, 08:06:19 PM
My analogy is that they are on the planet and they don't realise they are rotating at a huge speed, were as we are in orbit looking at everyone else.

I like this :)
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kelly_aus

Quote from: Ms. OBrien VT on January 27, 2013, 10:08:44 PM
Simple answer.  Transition does not change who you are, just the package.

This is so true.

I am the same person I've always been - just add happiness and contentment and remove a large amount of soul-crushing depression. I described my transition to some of my friends as, 'I'm not changing who I am - just changing the label and the packaging..'
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