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Envy and regrets.

Started by Sadie, January 31, 2013, 05:42:14 PM

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Colleen Ireland


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Rita

I regret not going through highschool as a girl.  I was so repressed and loner like cause of it.  Even college and it affected my grades.
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Jay-Bird

Sadie your so very not alone in this by any means.
I'm glad I stumbled upon your post this morning as I was about to put up something similar although there are some differences.

I'm a few months shy of 35! and only started 1.2 years ago.
I too am really happy and smile every day, something very new to me that's for sure and I too pass well at least I think I do.
That and everyone in my life bar a few have been super nice too, so really I have had an awesome run.

I regret not starting earlier real bad too, sometimes to the point of tears and its usually brought on by seeing or hearing about the lucky few who do.

I guess we all feel that way to a certain extent though, I imagine in our little trans world its a rather common thing.

We all have our cards, some good, some bad, I guess it depends how you play them.

Life is good, and your not alone :)
I'm sure there are things other girls envy about you too.

Jay-Bird


Without sleep there are no dreams, Without dreams we fall apart at the seams
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Tristan

Quote from: Rita on February 06, 2013, 02:43:46 PM
I regret not going through highschool as a girl.  I was so repressed and loner like cause of it.  Even college and it affected my grades.
girls are cruel and viscous. it may have not been a good idea. :(
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MaidofOrleans

Quote from: Tristan on February 06, 2013, 06:05:18 PM
girls are cruel and viscous. it may have not been a good idea. :(

This is true.
"For transpeople, using the right pronoun is NOT simply a 'political correctness' issue. It's core to the entire struggle transpeople go through. Using the wrong pronoun means 'I don't recognize you as who you are.' It means 'I think you're confused, delusional, or mentally I'll.'. It means 'you're not important enough for me to acknowledge your struggle.'"
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JennX

Quote from: Tristan on February 06, 2013, 06:05:18 PM
girls are cruel and viscous. it may have not been a good idea. :(

They can be... but they usually don't jump you in the locker room as a gang of 4 on 1, wanting to beat the hell out of you cause you're different. Highschool can be bad... either way. People are cruel, vicious, and without remorse regardless of gender. Trust me.
"If you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain."
-Dolly Parton
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MaidofOrleans

Quote from: JennX on February 06, 2013, 09:19:44 PM
They can be... but they usually don't jump you in the locker room as a gang of 4 on 1, wanting to beat the hell out of you cause you're different. Highschool can be bad... either way. People are cruel, vicious, and without remorse regardless of gender. Trust me.

I'd rather just forget high school...actually forget everything before I started transition because none of it really stood out as... memorable... :-\
"For transpeople, using the right pronoun is NOT simply a 'political correctness' issue. It's core to the entire struggle transpeople go through. Using the wrong pronoun means 'I don't recognize you as who you are.' It means 'I think you're confused, delusional, or mentally I'll.'. It means 'you're not important enough for me to acknowledge your struggle.'"
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Misato

I went to my 10 year high school reunion.  I still don't know what motivated me to go.  High School was not a good time for me either.  Anyway, I was two fisting Coronas all night because people were all, "I'm so sorry I was mean to you!  Have a beer on me!"

I like that memory.  Talking with them I found my old classmates seemed to have grown up to be fine, compassionate adults.
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michelle

Life happens,  each of our lives follows a different path.  My life started in 1946 in the Dakotas.   In those days for many people in largely rural areas was pretty local.    Like the circumference of my everyday world was about thirty miles in diameter while I lived in the Hills except for a few trips out of that circle.    On the prairie the diameter of my world stretched out to maybe 50 miles.    Many of these trips involved travelling with middle school and high school sports teams.    The towns I lived in ranged from 800 people to 3000 people. 

Since I had been labelled a male at birth and having the body of a male, I was basically imprisoned in my male identity because in the 1950s and 1960s I never knew anyone who had escaped the gender identity assigned to them at birth.   I never knew anybody who even challenged their assigned gender identity.   I was aware of that Christine Jorgensen had escaped her male gender assignment to become a woman.   But she was in a different world from me and I knew nothing of her story.

My own fear, ignorance, and my perceptions,  my very survival would be threatened if I challenged the gender boundaries even a little bit.    There were a lot of fears in these days including the fear of nuclear annihilation.    There were racial and ethnic boundaries and boundaries around the church you belonged to.   You were defined by your families social status and how long your family lived in the community and rather your parents were divorced or not married to each other or rather you had been conceived out of wed lock.    In small town schools there were sections of the school for each grade level.   Did you live on the wrong side of the tracks?   Your dad's job in town created social barriers. There were towns you could drive around in at night and towns you couldn't.   The Rez was totally off limits.   Dating someone who lived on the Rez was totally a no no.

With all of this crossing the gender boundary between male and female,  especially becoming a female during these days was totally too much for me.    Especially when I had no private or secret place of my own.    Also alcoholism created many emotional storms in my life.

It only seems to me that it is in the last three to five years with me now living in the urban southeast next to the ocean that no one seems to care if they see a 66 year old woman with many male characteristics.    I basically have no social circle except my family and while I am out and about shopping and hanging out the wash, I am basically a homebody who basically is not invading anyone else's personal space including their church or their bar or the senior citizen center.    I am basically invisible and not a threat.   I even take my son to his elementary school without comment or challenge.   

I feel is that if all anyone ever sees is me as a female, what they see is what they get, and they see me not even trying to be male.   But it took me a long time to get to this point.   Do I wish that I had come out of my cocoon earlier.   Yes, I wish I had.   Do I wish that I would have been able to transition at puberty, yes I do.   Do, I wish that I had transitioned in the 1980s before I started balding, of course.    Could I have changed anything, probably not.

I am not an island,   and have never been one.    For a long time I was never selfish enough to really take care of my emotional needs,  while the rest of my family cared only for their selfish emotional needs.    I had to learn the hard way that if you don't take care of yourself that you can take care of anyone else.    I also had to learn that my emotional needs were as important as everyone else's.   I also had to learn that most people only care about what you are doing for them now and could careless about what you have done for them in the past.    I had to learn that there are lots of people who feel that you owe them, but that they never have to owe you.    I also had to learn that most of this just doesn't matter.    That all you can do, is what you can do now, and sooner or latter others will be forced to do for themselves.    As you get older your body sets limits,   which out of habit I still cross over,  and then my body says,  "I ain't going to take it any more."   My muscles cramp up, and I get light headed and dizzy and I come to a stop and I am forced to listen to my body.

Old age is a frame of mind, and your mind can stay young and flexible,  but a body stressed out through most of your life learns to say no.   My mind is forced to accept it.  Unfortunately the younger people in my life still think that I should be able to push through it.    But I have done that one too many times.

Besides what is the point of being resentful about the missed years.   Just surviving until I got to be 66 and still having a roof over my head and food on the table and family should be enough.      Many of my family members died before I was even born.   My dad only lived until he was 49 and my mother barely made it to 67.    Those of my family that lived longer were only in my life for a couple of years so I never knew them.

When I go on Google Earth and search out my past, I find that most of it does not exist in the present any more.    Only two of my childhood homes exist, all of the people are dispersed,  the schools that I went to or taught in are gone or have made drastic changes as have all of those people who knew me.     Most of my past exists only in my head.     

I have to live with myself now as a woman and not worry about how other's see me,  for in the future my now will only become a memory.    So what is the point of regret or resentment.   They only destroy me and keep me from living a happy life.   Yes,  I still do have my resentments and regrets and it is a constant battle for me to keep them from making me unhappy.   Sometimes I succeed and sometimes I fail.   But after all, that is life.



Be true to yourself.  The future will reveal itself in its own due time.    Find the calm at the heart of the storm.    I own my womanhood.

I am a 69-year-old transsexual school teacher grandma & lady.   Ethnically I am half Irish  and half Scandinavian.   I can be a real bitch or quite loving and caring.  I have never taken any hormones or had surgery, I am out 24/7/365.
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kathy bottoms

First let me say that I envy the courage and will that so many of the young girls have.  And I regret that I let societal fear and ignorance obstruct me.  But that's all past and can't change now, so I'll just move forward.

And who knows how to use these?

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Colleen Ireland


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kathy bottoms

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Barbara Ella

I started reading this thread, not knowing, but just seeking any bits of information i could find, and I have been overwhelmed at how the topic has developed.  I have my problems as we all do.  I only realized 17 months ago that I had a female side and began crossdressing.  I now know why, and the self analysis of my years has clearly shown the signs that I never even suspected.  So I did avoid the years of dysphoria, but that does not diminish what I have now.  I am now 66 years old transexual who knows transition will never occur for me barring catastrophe in my life, which I would not want.

I have told myself I was just to old to do anything about it except for HRT, which has done wonders for my internal angst.  Reading the stories from the late transitioners here, i know that i can do something if i so choose, and still be happy, so thanks to you all.

Oh the memories of that first TI SR10 that did the square root.  The joy of that HP35 with all it could do.  I can do without the memories of the old hand crank calculators and logarithm tables we had to use to surveying calculations, but I do treasure having them.

My regrets are that in looking back at my male behavior, which left me distant from nearly everyone (no close friends ) I can see why, and regret that I did not know why until so very late.

I have taken a lot more heart after joining this forum and reading this thread.  There are just so many more of us out there that I never realized.  My horizons have been expanded and i feel better than I have in months.

Barbara

PS.  I still have my old Post Versalog on my wall
He (she) who would learn to fly one day must first learn to stand and walk and run and climb and dance.
- Friedrich Nietzche -
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kathy bottoms

Quote from: Barbara Ella on February 08, 2013, 10:47:06 AM
Oh the memories of that first TI SR10 that did the square root.  The joy of that HP35 with all it could do.  I can do without the memories of the old hand crank calculators and logarithm tables we had to use to surveying calculations, but I do treasure having them.

Hi Barbara:  I'm 61 and still feel young part of the time.  For years I had alot of trouble looking in the mirror, and even today there's days when the depression sets in a little.  But I'd never give this up, and transition is getting so much better every time I do something new.  It really is a new life.

I was a surveyor for the State Highway Department and we kept a crank calculator in the Line Wagon for when the batteries in the HP31 died.  Still have the old HP35 in my drawer.

K
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Sadie

Hi all. After reading the responses I see that I am not alone in this feeling.

I admit I was in a very depressed state when I wrote this.  The intensity of these feelings about my past wax and wane. I appreciate what many of you are saying, I know that that past is immutable, and I should just enjoy what time I have left.  However knowing the correct way to feel and what I actually feel are two different things, as I'm sure most of you know.

After thinking some more on this issue last week, I realized another reason why the regret about not starting sooner is so high.  Though I have transitioned and am living full time I haven't had any of my surgeries yet. So I feel I am only 50% done. I know I will not feel whole until I get my surgeries completed.  However, my current financial situation is abysmal and I see absolutely no quick solution to getting my surgeries thus that is adding to my regrets, envy, and frustration as I hear the clock ticking more loudly than I would were I younger. I don't want to spend another 15 years scraping by before I get my surgery. If I had started younger I could have made a better plan and have this finished.

I will finish with a thanks to you all for your responses and to let you know I am feeling better this week. I started a new exercise routine, maybe that is helping? Who knows?

Sadie
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Alice-blossom

Letting my puberty almost run its full course has definitely left me with the regret of not catching on sooner, but I consider it minor.

The military was another matter. I really don't understand why I tried for so long to adhere to their rules and make my mother proud when I was fully aware that I despised her and was visibly breaking under stress, depression and dysphoria until the very end. My manner of leaving was a shameful finish to a terrible chapter of my life, and in the year since my discharge I've lacked the motivation and self-image to keep a job. My only bitter happiness is in my transition, and all other facets of my life seem to mark me as a failure.
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michelle

I really feel that there really is no "right way to feel" in the truly cosmic sense.    There is really no dictatorial force in the universe who judges what the "right way to feel" is.   

God gave us free will to make our own moral decisions and gave us the ability to explore and learn about the universes God created.   The Unknowable God sent us manifestations to clue us in on some of the possibilities and probabilities of the Knowledge of God and to set down some boundaries and guidelines for living  to increase our bodies life spans and we could organize ourselves into ever increasingly sophisticated social systems and civilizations.

I am not really sure if written down in any of the Holy Books any thing that tells us how we should feel.    Our feelings are really unique to ourselves.     Our society has basically organized itself into two gender categories: male and female.  I identify myself as a female.    I was identified as a male for legal  purposes at birth and this was placed upon my birth certificate and all my legal papers there after.   

Now while growing up I have been told that boys do these things and dress this way and behave like men do , and girls do other things and dress another way, and behave like women do.   My feelings were also shaped by growing up in an emotional alcoholic family which really amplified and distorted feelings.   Emotions and guilt were used by my mother to control other family members.    So "the right way to feel" was really impossible to determine.

Society in South Dakota was organized on a male and female basis.   There were men's clubs and ladies auxiliaries.    In churches the men were deacons and the women were organized into their own church lady groups.   In some really small towns at public meetings all of the men sat on one side of the room and the women the other.   The children sort of scurried around both groups.  A few women would sit next to their men.  But very few men sat with the women.   Women made themselves presentable when they went out in public and it was customary to wear a hat or a scarf.   

So it was really something for an individual born with the body of a male to identify with being a female and then dress and behave has they did.   This was unheard of except when the carnival came to town.   Then there was a tent with a bearded lady which you entered if you dared.   

If you were categorized as a male then you may have tried to play baseball or basketball read Comic books about World War II or Super heroes, played with army men and had an electric train and run around in the Hills.    You may have had a BB gun or a 22 rifle or a steel helmet from the War and a bayonet.   You played with marbles and carried a pocket knife for carving a stick. 

Girls wore dresses, played hop scotch, had paper dolls, did knitting and sewing, and jumped rope.

The younger you were boys and girls played more games like tag and hide and seek and kick the can.   But the old you got the more girls drifted into women's world and boys into men's.

But as far as how to feel, if we were told, I didn't get the memo.     Feelings were passe on through music and movies and interpersonal contacts.    Boys settled differences their way and girls settled differences theirs.   Boys were socialized by being with boys and girls were socialized by being with girls.

As far as my life went,  I did the boy's sport teams and boy scouts.   But having neighborhoods defined by the street you lived on in some towns and in other towns you lived in town or on a farm there were few other kids living in my neighborhood.   Having a paper route from fourth grade to seventh grade seven days a week with delivery after school meant that I was not hanging out with any other kids after school so I was not being emotionally socialized by either boys or other girls.   And until puberty set in it really didn't matter to me.    I was never any good at the boy's sports and always felt like a loner at Scouts.   The Boy Scouts meant once a week at night for an hour or so and went on camping trips during the summer.   The meeting had its rituals which you went through every week and it was a highly organized so you could go through the meeting and walk home alone and not feel any personal connections to anyone else at the meeting.   Especially if you were emotionally worried about just surviving the ritual of the meeting and not feeling inept.

I guess most significant fact about my whole life in this world is that emotionally I identified myself as a female for no particular reason that made any sense to me,  but there was no way that I could become part of the female world.    I felt awkward as a male and didn't know how to fit in.    I identified with the women in the movies and felt that I could never play the male part.    I would rather dress up and be one of the show girls powdering my nose in the dance hall dressing rooms.    But I could only do this as a fantasy and never in reality until I was in my fifties.

I guess considering the irrationality of the emotions in my childhood home, being concerned with the "right way to feel" really has no meaning for me.    I guess I express my feelings in a more amplified way and have had to learn to tone them down a lot, and even a little for me is a lot for everyone around me.     

Living in the shadow of my mother's depression and possible bi-polarness,  makes it seem senseless for me to be depressed about my feeling about being a female.    For me being female is just a fact of life and just like my life as a child, I could not control or influence the feeling others, I can't control or influence other people's feelings about my gender identity now.   

Everyday I dress as a female, I carry my purse,  and what people see is what they get.   If they never see me any differently it doesn't matter if they call me sir or ma'am.  Much of the time I get both in the same five minutes from the same person.   At first glance people who do not know me, call me ma'am until I open my big mouth.   My voice is not overly male, but just male enough to identify me in the male category to  many but not all of those people I talk to.

I am just sharing myself and my perspective here hoping that it might mean something to some one.    I feel that emotions are just so particular to each individual and people feel free to express some feelings and hide others or they feel one way and express the opposite feelings to hide what their real feelings are, its difficult to label most feelings as particularly male or female.   

Now estrogen may contribute to a person emoting femininity and testosterone may contribute to an individual emoting masculinity but some individuals seem to be able have control over which rather they emote femininity or masculinity without taking these hormones so who is to say.

Besides what really determines what gender we do identify with especially if our sexual identity is totally opposite our lives experiences.    Being a woman really has nothing to do with imagining how we imagine a woman has to think and feel.   It has more to do with where we feel we fit into life.   Being male or female does not make you any more special in life.   Being male or female really does not solve any emotional problems.   Being female just feels more natural to me for some dumb reason.   I just can't visualize myself behaving like I think a male should behave.   

I am not sure if any of this fits any other context outside of my emotional life.   I really don't think there is any force out there enforcing the rules of how a male or a female should think or feel.   I just know if I am truthful with myself and others and they ask me to identify myself as a man or a woman, I am a woman, even though legally I am still identified as a male.
Be true to yourself.  The future will reveal itself in its own due time.    Find the calm at the heart of the storm.    I own my womanhood.

I am a 69-year-old transsexual school teacher grandma & lady.   Ethnically I am half Irish  and half Scandinavian.   I can be a real bitch or quite loving and caring.  I have never taken any hormones or had surgery, I am out 24/7/365.
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DoctorInternet333

The main thing is that you have transitioned now. I haven't yet but I hate every minute of being a man I really do and I still live as one. Whatever your age if you are the wrong sex you are better off the other one. I am not brave enough yet but maybe one day, but still hate walking around as a man.  :-\
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Jamie D

Quote from: kathy b on February 08, 2013, 10:02:03 AM
First let me say that I envy the courage and will that so many of the young girls have.  And I regret that I let societal fear and ignorance obstruct me.  But that's all past and can't change now, so I'll just move forward.

And who knows how to use these?



Keuffel & Esser or Pickett?
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LizMarie

Quote from: Colleen Ireland on February 04, 2013, 05:38:22 AM
When I started my career in computers, we still used punched cards.

Hey! I resemble that remark!

Late transitioner here as well. I started at 54, and began HRT shortly after turning 55. I know I have a long road in front of me, but I try to focus on the positives of the past and not regret what has happened (too much). If I let myself stew in what was not done, I'd feel myself sink through the floor, so I'm grabbing what's left of my life as best I can.
The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away.



~ Cara Elizabeth
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