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Started by SkyRizou, February 12, 2013, 03:38:50 AM

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SkyRizou

Hello all.
Clearly, I'm new to this forum and as of right now, I have nowhere to turn and it's eating at me.
I don't know if this is appropriate to post in this specific section, so if it is not, feel free to remove this sappy-whiny post.

My name is Danny, I'm a FTM living with my conservative christian parents and two sisters.
For as long as I can remember, I have not felt female, so on so forth.
October of 2012, my Mother asked me if I was lesbian. This discussion quickly escalated into me coming out before I had planned to.

At first it was complete denial. Straight forward "suck it up" attitude which caused me to tell my Dad.  My Dad understood me, accepted me, talked to my Mother and everything seemed peachy up until a month later on my birthday.
My mother handed me a bible and told me to read it because she wanted her daughter back. After an hour long lecture, I was borderline suicidal as my entire birthday idea was to finally celebrate my birthday as a male. I broke down and texted my dad everything she had said and later on he talked to her. She came back to me crying and told me not to do that ever again and how sorry she was.

About 2 months later, she started an argument with me again. A good summary would be "you don't act like a boy, you won't ever be a boy, and you're a coward for getting your dad involved."

It seemed completely unreal what she was telling me about God apparently informing her I was possessed and that she has seen the future where I will be female and have kids and a husband.

I took it very lightly up until today where she got on me again. This time, it was entirely about me being "confused" and not really 100% sure I am transgender. So she asked me to read the bible, and, me wanting to keep our relationship intact I told her I would.

I feel like I'm going to be pushed into being something I'm not. It's driving me insane, and I really don't know what to do. Obviously getting my dad involved at this point will just make things worse, and I'm homeschooled with no in real life friends to help. All relatives I was close to are now deceased and I live in a rather homophobic town. I just need a method to cope with this all.
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V M

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Felix

You're going to have to wait. Try to stay safe and tough and be as much involved with the internet and other non-family social experiences as you can be without getting in trouble.

That sounds like a huge letdown for your birthday. The whole situation sounds touchy. You could try to get your dad to take custody or try to get the state to intervene and get you back into public school, but attempting either of those paths could as easily make things worse as better. :-\

Welcome to the site Danny.
everybody's house is haunted
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FTMDiaries

Hi & welcome :)

Firstly, let me just say that even though it feels like you're trapped, this situation is really only temporary. You will eventually move out, get a job, and have your own home with your own rules - living in a town or city of your choosing. That day may seem like it's a long way away but it will come. Picture that day in your mind and hold on to it tightly. As Felix says, ask your Dad if there's some alternative available. If your mum is the one who is homeschooling you, you really need to get out of there. Pronto.

Speaking as a parent, I'd like to tell you what happens when a baby is conceived to help you understand what's happening here: the parents (but particularly the mother) start to build an imaginary picture in their minds of who they ideally want that child to be. They might imagine that if it is going to be a boy he will love football like his dad; if it is a girl she will be pretty and feminine and will love ballet. Or whatever.

Then when that child is born and is assigned a gender, the parents start trying to mould that child into their idealised image. If the child was assigned female, they start dressing her in pretty pink clothes; they put bows in her hair; give her dolls to play with; send her for ballet lessons etc. etc. You'll notice that all of this starts before the child has had a chance to tell their parents who they are and what they like.

In my case, every single photo of me taken before 1976 shows me with shoulder-length blonde hair, wearing pretty dresses, looking like a little doll. Because my mum had always wanted a daughter and by golly, that's the kind of daughter she was determined I should be. But at age 5 I attended nursery school (kind-of like kindergarten) where for the first time I encountered girls. Playing with groups of boys and girls showed me, to my mounting horror,  that I don't understand girls (they're an alien species to me) but I felt like one of the boys. So I told my mother that I'm a boy and said I wanted to wear boy's clothes.

She couldn't accept it. She'd already decided who her daughter should be and it caused her distress to find that the person she'd given birth to wasn't the pretty little princess she'd imagined. We had many years of fights over things like clothing, hairstyles, names, gender presentation, toys etc. but essentially my mother believed that her idealised, imaginary picture of who her daughter was supposed to be was somehow more valid than who I was telling her I really was.

So this is probably what's happening with your mother. She had a preconceived (if you'll pardon the pun) idea of who you're supposed to be and she's finding it difficult to accept anything different. If you told her whilst growing up that you weren't a girl, she probably dismissed that as nonsense, confusion or tomboyishness and she clung on to the hope that you'd grow out of that 'phase' and magically turn back into the princess she wanted you to be.

Now that you've told her you're trans, she's going through the normal stages of grief. She's not grieving for you as a person: she's grieving for the loss of that imaginary person she started making up before you were born. At least subconsciously, she thought she had an agreement (with you, god, or whoever) that you would turn out to be that idealised child she'd imagined and she now feels, however illogically, that you've broken the contract. But the thing is: you never actually agreed to that contract.

The stages of grief usually follow this sort of pattern, and it is possible to experience more than one stage at a time:

  • Denial: in this stage, she'll refuse to accept what you're telling her, or try to find evidence that contradicts it. She seems to be there now. The good news is that this stage is usually temporary.
  • Anger: she might lose her temper. She might become angry at you for 'deceiving' her (which you haven't done); she may get angry at your father for intervening; she might be cross with 'god' for testing her like this.
  • Bargaining: she might try to convince you not to transition. She might ask you to wait a little longer, until a certain event passes. She may try to convince you not to 'do this to her' because of how it will affect her standing in her church.
  • Depression: she may start saying things like "what's the point?" and may keep bursting into tears.
  • Acceptance: finally she'll come out the other side of grieving and will accept your situation. She might not necessarily be happy with it, but she'll come to terms with it and will stop trying to get in your way.
Sound familiar?

Your mother's grief feels very real to her and she needs time to work through it and come out the other side. So please be gentle with her, but every time she pushes back against you, just calmly assert that you know what you're doing and keep moving forward. Actions speak louder than words and you'll help her come to terms with who you are if you just keep moving steadily forward on your journey. Instead of actively fighting against her, just keep putting one foot in front of the other. It might be helpful to read some Gandhi to get some good ideas of how to do this.

Oh, and the bible isn't much help when thinking about transgender issues. If it could magically turn you into a girl, I'm sure a lot of MtFs here would be rushing out to buy one. There are far more relevant books available to you. ;)

Hang in there. It will get better.





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chuck

Woah. Back up one second. You cant talk to your dad? That is EXACTLY what you should do. He can obviously straighten her out, as evidenced by her apologizing to you and then attacking you by calling you a coward. I would tell him exactly what is going on, INCLUDING the fact that she is trying to force you to keep her behavior a secret.

If you let her manipulate you into not talking to your dad, it will snowball until she is controlling everything. You should sit her down and tell her that you will indeed talk to your dad about something that you don't know how to handle. You are a child after all, and he is an adult. So he has more ability to interact with her on your behalf.
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SkyRizou

FTMDiaries, thank you for the detailed response. It picked up my mood a bit as I can relate to the "stages" you listed.

Quote from: chuck on February 12, 2013, 05:52:41 AM
Woah. Back up one second. You cant talk to your dad? That is EXACTLY what you should do. He can obviously straighten her out, as evidenced by her apologizing to you and then attacking you by calling you a coward. I would tell him exactly what is going on, INCLUDING the fact that she is trying to force you to keep her behavior a secret.

If you let her manipulate you into not talking to your dad, it will snowball until she is controlling everything. You should sit her down and tell her that you will indeed talk to your dad about something that you don't know how to handle. You are a child after all, and he is an adult. So he has more ability to interact with her on your behalf.

Truthfully, I have considered just telling him again considering it kept her quiet. But with the outcomes it tears everyone in the house up and despite it taking care of how rude she often is I just can't push myself to do it for that reason; and the obvious that I'd probably just get the same "coward" insults thrown at me again. I don't want her to feel as if she's forced to accept me but I don't necessarily want the current treatment.
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FTMDiaries

Quote from: SkyRizou on February 12, 2013, 06:15:19 AM
FTMDiaries, thank you for the detailed response. It picked up my mood a bit as I can relate to the "stages" you listed.

You're welcome. Glad it made you feel a bit better. There is light at the end of the tunnel; remember that. :)

Quote from: SkyRizou on February 12, 2013, 06:15:19 AM
Truthfully, I have considered just telling him again considering it kept her quiet. But with the outcomes it tears everyone in the house up and despite it taking care of how rude she often is I just can't push myself to do it for that reason; and the obvious that I'd probably just get the same "coward" insults thrown at me again. I don't want her to feel as if she's forced to accept me but I don't necessarily want the current treatment.

Remember: you're not the one causing the problem here. You've told your parents honestly and truthfully who you are. If your mother is reacting negatively to that it isn't your fault. Your mother is over-reacting (she thinks you're 'possessed'? Sheesh). You're not responsible for someone else's behaviour so if the house gets torn up it's getting torn up because of your mother's behaviour.

You need all the support you can get, so keep talking to your dad and ask him to get more involved. He seems to be on your side and he could help you to gently persuade your mother to back off. You have every right to speak to your father about anything: you couldn't possibly be a coward by talking to him. If one of your parents is treating you badly, that's when you really need the other one to step in.

The words 'borderline suicidal' in your original post are very significant here. Tell your dad how your mother makes you feel, and show him evidence that trans people are at a much higher risk of suicide due to that kind of bullying. Ask him to help keep you safe.

Also, can you discuss this with your parents together?

Good luck :)





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chuck

Quote from: SkyRizou on February 12, 2013, 06:15:19 AM
FTMDiaries, thank you for the detailed response. It picked up my mood a bit as I can relate to the "stages" you listed.

Truthfully, I have considered just telling him again considering it kept her quiet. But with the outcomes it tears everyone in the house up and despite it taking care of how rude she often is I just can't push myself to do it for that reason; and the obvious that I'd probably just get the same "coward" insults thrown at me again. I don't want her to feel as if she's forced to accept me but I don't necessarily want the current treatment.

HER behavior is tearing the house apart. You are simply protecting yourself.
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Natkat

it sound pretty much like me exept that I cant really blame religion.

I would like to know why she want you to read the bible,
or more exactly,
which answer is it she is expecting you to find there?
it could be interesting if she has a thought or she just dont know what ells for you to do?
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chuck

Quote from: Natkat on February 12, 2013, 11:15:52 AM
it sound pretty much like me exept that I cant really blame religion.

I would like to know why she want you to read the bible,
or more exactly,
which answer is it she is expecting you to find there?
it could be interesting if she has a thought or she just dont know what ells for you to do?

yeah... and this verse (I am a christian myself) might nice for her to see:
Galations 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ
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SkyRizou

Quote from: Natkat on February 12, 2013, 11:15:52 AM
it sound pretty much like me exept that I cant really blame religion.

I would like to know why she want you to read the bible,
or more exactly,
which answer is it she is expecting you to find there?
it could be interesting if she has a thought or she just dont know what ells for you to do?

I think she assumes it'll change my mind about what I think my gender is. I really don't want to know her reaction when I tell her that nothing has changed at all after I do read it.
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FTMDiaries

Quote from: SkyRizou on February 12, 2013, 01:07:00 PM
I think she assumes it'll change my mind about what I think my gender is. I really don't want to know her reaction when I tell her that nothing has changed at all after I do read it.

The problem is, anyone can pick a verse from the bible to support their point of view, no matter what it is - because it is open to interpretation. If you want to humour her, humour her. But know that even if you find a load of verses that support you, she'll dismiss them as meaning something else and she'll bring up a bunch of others to support her point of view. Unless you're really good at arguing from the bible, she's trying to set you up to lose.

Have you tried the religion board here at Susan's? They might have some pointers that could help you deal with religious arguments.





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Mosaic dude

Hi Danny, pleased to meet you.  That's a difficult situation you've got there and you have my sympathy.  Are your parents together, and if not could you go live with your dad?  I would say definitely involve your dad.  He's obviously a lot better placed to deal with this than your mom is.  There really isn't anything I can say that FTMDiaries hasn't already said way better than I could, your options at the moment are probably limited to take care and hang in there.  It'll be okay in the end.  Being a teenage transguy sucks hard, but it doesn't last forever.

I don't know how helpful it's likely to be, but you may want to have a look at www.transchristians.org  They do a good exploration of ->-bleeped-<- from a christian perspective.  Your mom may just reject the idea that being trans and being christian are compatible, but it could be worth a try.
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