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Majority of transguys are gay?

Started by BearGuy, February 10, 2013, 06:13:34 PM

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Jayr

I'm kinda offended that 'lesbian' is in there.

les·bi·an 
Noun
A homosexual woman.


Transmen are not women and therefor cannot be lesbians.
I don't care what kind of special snow flake you are..
A man cannot be a lesbian.





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Liminal Stranger

Quote from: Jayr on February 11, 2013, 08:40:06 PM
I'm kinda offended that 'lesbian' is in there.

les·bi·an 
Noun
A homosexual woman.


Transmen are not women and therefor cannot be lesbians.
I don't care what kind of special snow flake you are..
A man cannot be a lesbian.

I agree with you, but some transguys identify as lesbian. It's a...different way of looking at it, I guess.

I am the 2 percent!  :P
At least I think so.




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ford

I'm chuckling at the 46% queer...

It's like 46% just threw up their hands and said, you know what, I don't know what this makes me anymore! I'm inclined to agree. The usual labels are hard to apply...
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aleon515

Quote from: ford on February 11, 2013, 08:50:03 PM
I'm chuckling at the 46% queer...

It's like 46% just threw up their hands and said, you know what, I don't know what this makes me anymore! I'm inclined to agree. The usual labels are hard to apply...

Kind of what I did, Ford. Just went yikes, I have no idea!

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insideontheoutside

I thought queer was just another term for gay?

I'm straight with bisexual tendencies that really only go so far and I'm married to an asexual dude ... just try and figure that one out ;)
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=celestica=

Quote from: Jayr on February 11, 2013, 08:40:06 PM
I'm kinda offended that 'lesbian' is in there.

les·bi·an 
Noun
A homosexual woman.


Transmen are not women and therefor cannot be lesbians.
I don't care what kind of special snow flake you are..
A man cannot be a lesbian.

Maybe if they're a TRANS trans person.
Maybe they're a female who's actually male but is ACTUALLY female.
or maybe they're just stupid.
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cynthialee

I am seeing queer used alot to mean that the person is only attracted to LGBT types, fem boys, butch girls, and or trans.

Also I am seeing it used in many cases where bisexual, demisexual, or pansexual would be used by someone else.
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ford

I think queer in this case suggests 'outside of heteronormativity'...(whatever heteronormative means in this case haha). Trying to label all these instances sort of blows my mind.

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insideontheoutside

Quote from: ford on February 11, 2013, 09:32:38 PM
Trying to label all these instances sort of blows my mind.

Yeah, I'm with you on that one. I think everyone just wants to have their own special label, only it's becoming a bit of a logistical nightmare!
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Gene

I believe we're all aware that sexuality is not a choice, so asking why a large number of trans-men are gay seems moot. Who cares? Where I'm from, I'm the minority as a gay transman. I don't look too deeply into it; people are into what they're into.
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Arch

Quote from: Gene on February 11, 2013, 09:59:32 PM
I believe we're all aware that sexuality is not a choice, so asking why a large number of trans-men are gay seems moot. Who cares? Where I'm from, I'm the minority as a gay transman. I don't look too deeply into it; people are into what they're into.

Oh, for Pete's sake--stop being so freaking reasonable. :P

P.S. I have an FTM friend who, the last time he bothered to label himself, was using a combination of terms, including lesbian and bear. And I think queer, but I don't quite remember. I have no idea what his wife thinks...
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wheat thins are delicious

I think it depends on where you are.  I'm straight.  Pretty much all of my friends who are trans men are straight. 


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Gene

Quote from: Arch on February 11, 2013, 10:02:13 PM
Oh, for Pete's sake--stop being so freaking reasonable. :P

P.S. I have an FTM friend who, the last time he bothered to label himself, was using a combination of terms, including lesbian and bear. And I think queer, but I don't quite remember. I have no idea what his wife thinks...

My bad. I tend be reasonable most of the time without knowing it.  XD

Lesbearian? This has given me something to think about tonight...

By the way, love the Dr. Horrible reference in your signature. I LOVE that part!
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aleon515

Quote from: insideontheoutside on February 11, 2013, 09:26:10 PM
I thought queer was just another term for gay?

I'm straight with bisexual tendencies that really only go so far and I'm married to an asexual dude ... just try and figure that one out ;)

Well I don't know, I think it could be when whatever you are interested in maybe defies description. My girlfriend is trans but only 2 years in transition and I am pre-T (for a little bit longer), so ... who knows, I give up. I don't think it's really "gay".

--Jay
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Elspeth

Quote from: girl you look fierce on February 11, 2013, 08:06:35 PM
From the National Transgender Discrimination Survey, I think it included about 6000 people

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Hope that helps :)

Not sure that does help, since "queer" can mean very different things from individual to individual. I assume for some (like me) it may mean that they both hate labels, and do not wish to be identified as a homophobe -- particularly when part of them wishes they had been born "just gay" and could be done with it. But it's probably much more complicated than that. My son identifies as queer, but the label tells one very little about his identity, or what that word means to him.

By the way, as long as Les Feinberg identifies in part as lesbian, I think that label is going to remain one of the options, even if its a small fraction.  If I find the chart annoying, its that it fails to distinguish between transmen identify as gay male, and those who identify as lesbian... winds up being another confusing data point that I'm left to speculate about when it comes to what it means at all.

I know it can be problematic for some, especially if there are reasons in your life that identifying as lesbian leads to people trying to diminish your "legitimacy" as a transman. OTOH, not every man who chooses to continue identifying or appearing male, yet claims to be lesbian, is necessarily joking, despite the widespread assumptions among many that he is. So, why not allow fellow transmen to identify as lesbian if that's their choice and they have reasons, which can't be identified on a simple pie chart, for having a genuine attachment, either to the label itself or to the lesbian community in general, or to some specific local lesbian circle of friends and lovers?

Could you provide a link to the study itself? Maybe it manages to provide some answers to these questions, especially why some possibly conflicting categories got merged?
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Sara Thomas

I'm straight with bi-sexual tendencies.

oh...

[note: not directed at you, insideontheoutside: i just saw your comment after posting this, and was really just poking a little fun at myself...  :P]
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Bastian

This is an interesting thread. I've always noticed the opposite of the OP, seems like, as others have said, the majority is Straight, which does make sense, at least to me. We are still an animal species and while nature makes mistakes (usually in the way of the LGBTA crowd) she tries really hard to make us a species that will ultimately breed and make more little humans. So because of the fact that we are still an animal, I personally don't find it surprising that the majority is still straight. Though I suppose if I took into account transwoman my theory goes down the drain but anyways....

I myself am personally gay. At least I think I am. I like guy bits and don't find woman very physically attractive. However I think i'm more inclined to be attracted to a woman's personality than a man's (there are a number of men with personalities that I'm attracted too but they are still in the minority). However I personally feel I could not be with another transman, though I might be comfortable being with a transwoman. Aha and I thought figuring out my gender identity was confusing.

Oh and the use of the term queer has always confused me to no end. 
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natastic

Quote from: =celestica= on February 10, 2013, 09:27:27 PM
That's just because gay people love da internet and are always on it talking about e v e r y t h i n g.

I lol'ed.
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Arch

Quote from: Gene on February 12, 2013, 09:49:10 PM
By the way, love the Dr. Horrible reference in your signature. I LOVE that part!

I eagerly await the sequel...
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Zarathoustra

90% I don't think so!  :o

I have really the impression it's 50/50 (So, so much that biological people).


I think it's very difficult to determinate sexual preference when we are transsexual but maybee it's just my personnal feeling.
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