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Why do you think you are 'transgender ?

Started by Anatta, February 21, 2013, 10:16:42 PM

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Declan.

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I see it as a biological blunder, really. I'm Christian but don't believe God intervenes in absolutely everything. It's a birth defect in my eyes. That said, I guess I don't really see myself as transgender, as odd as that sounds. In my life, I'm just a guy whose body got messed up in the womb. I don't really take it beyond that. Maybe I will someday, but at this point that's how I feel most comfortable viewing it.

I don't see any positives to it. I don't think I personally experienced what it's like to be a woman so I can at least say I learned something. I was always treated like a normal guy by most of the people around me, and strangers too, because of my energy and the way I presented myself. Even when I went thorugh a very short phase of trying to look and act like a normal girl (didn't last long) to see if that would make me feel better (it didn't), people thought it was weird. :P

I wish I could be like some of you and see the positive aspects of being transgender, but I can't, at least in this point in my life. :)
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Jill F

Quote from: Eva Marie on December 18, 2013, 02:21:07 AM
As far as the "how" - I suspect it was because of a drug called diethylstilbestrol, or DES for short. My mom most likely took it when she was pregnant with me.

Chances are this is what happened to me.  My brother and I both had "testicular abnormalities".  I never went there with my Mom- i don't wish to inply she was at fault in any way.  Hell, I could be XXY for all I know.  My point is that asking "why" is irrelevant to me. In the end, it doesn't really matter to me why it is that I happen to be transsexual.  I just am, and I'm going to have a better life because I'm aware now that I can just carry on being that girl I always really was.  I don't want to beat myself up, my mother, genetics or anything else.  I'm a girl, period, the end. Dwelling on "why" is just a bummer that gets me nowhere.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Jill F on December 18, 2013, 04:50:47 AM
Chances are this is what happened to me.  My brother and I both had "testicular abnormalities".  I never went there with my Mom- i don't wish to inply she was at fault in any way.  Hell, I could be XXY for all I know.  My point is that asking "why" is irrelevant to me. In the end, it doesn't really matter to me why it is that I happen to be transsexual.  I just am, and I'm going to have a better life because I'm aware now that I can just carry on being that girl I always really was.  I don't want to beat myself up, my mother, genetics or anything else.  I'm a girl, period, the end. Dwelling on "why" is just a bummer that gets me nowhere.

There is a doctor named Dana Beyer who is involved in medical studies on how DES causes transgender. She was a DES baby herself and ended up intersex and needing to transition.
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RobinGee

I'm a man with a psychological or neurological defect which causes me to believe I have a female self image.

(Please don't assume I think this applies to anyone but me)
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Oriah

its genetic.  My mother has three tg siblings.  Just keeping up an old family tradition
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RobinGee

My parents are apparently unable to produce children that aren't lesbian in some way
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LordKAT

QuoteWhy do you think you are 'transgender ?

I don't. I don't consider it at all. I know who I am, always did. Now getting the rest of the world to see that and getting this body to be formed right is a whole other ball game.
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Jill F

Quote from: LordKAT on December 18, 2013, 12:26:51 PM
I don't. I don't consider it at all. I know who I am, always did. Now getting the rest of the world to see that and getting this body to be formed right is a whole other ball game.

Hmm, I think I like your choice of words there!
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YBtheOutlaw

i've been rolling over that question in my head as long as i've known myself to be something weird, and i came up with a whole bunch of theories to explain it. most are religious, some scientific and some fanatic.

my first theory of all was that i was Harry Potter. yeah i seriously believed i was harry potter and thought dumbledore had disguised me in a girl's skin to hide me from voldemort. i was waiting for hagrid to come and remove the female wrapping and take me to hogwards. when i grew a little older i knew i couldn't really be harry potter, but i had to be some hero who had been disguised as a girl so that nobody would recognize me, and my real self would emerge once i reach the right age. (that's what my title means) and i had the alien idea too, that i was an experiment of some aliens. i didn't know more people like me existed, so most of my earliest theories were pretty self centered.

some of the religious theories i can recall right now include, the fact that nobody's life gets perfect. it has to have some glitch or other. being transgender was my glitch, and if i hadn't been born with it i might have got a glitch a lot worse. so bear with it. i'm transgender, and i'm gonna deal with my glitch. that's the theory i stand by now.
another one is that i was male in my past life. i've heard stories that you carry traits from your past life to next life, so it was a good explanation. the theory was solidified when my crush said she had been told a wife of a national hero in a neighbouring country by some palm reader. so bingo! i had to be that national hero!
there were times i seriously thought into this, and decided that i was spiritually gifted or that i had trained my mind well in past lives, that i had an insight beyond the general concepts of humans, such as gender differences. i also thought my dissociation problems had resulted from that.
sometimes i simply put the responsibility on karma, believing i had done something very bad regarding gender stuff in past lives.

looking into scientific aspect, i first thought i had testosterone instead of oestrogen in my blood, and i would prove it to the world through a simple hormone test and live as i want. sometimes i thought i had male sex organs inside, but female ones outside. i even thought i was producing semen when i had the white fluids. it didn't explain periods, but i stuck to the theory for a long time.
since i didn't show much obvious signs of being trans in childhood, i once thought i was going through a natural sex change. the most recent theory is that there's some glitch in my genes, and the natural selection theory proving to be true, my genes with that glitch will not be passed on to next generation unless science does some miracle to give me fully functional organs.

(did i say anything meaningful? anything related to the topic? it sounds like a random assembly of mismatching ideas to me. anyway, i liked typing it out.)
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Mogu

Genetic variation, most likely.

Things happen as we develop.
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Tessa James

And genetic variation is essential for survival of any species on this planet.

We are helping humanity to evolve and survive!
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Jenna Stannis

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Quote from: particle on December 18, 2013, 07:45:05 AM
I'm a man with a psychological or neurological defect which causes me to believe I have a female self image.

(Please don't assume I think this applies to anyone but me)

You could be right; it could be a psychological defect, where, as with other mental health conditions, your brain "tricks" you into believing that you're someone that you're not. I have similar thoughts occasionally, predominantly because I have the (likely delusional) idea that I can "fight it" and live as a complete male. To be honest, most of the time I find being transgendered really tedious. It's just really boring having gender at the forefront of my thoughts every day. I imagine that if my brain matched my body I would rarely think about my gender. I mean why would I?

The alternative is that you, we, have brains that are structured much like female brains. This is not just conjecture on my part, there are many recent studies now showing distinctive physical differences between male and female brains. Yes, there are probably more similarities between male and female brains than there are differences, but it could be that those few differences are enough to make the gender distinctions at a neurological level. I suppose you could call this a defect, but only in the sense that our brains have formed in the wrong body.

If it is the case that the brain does not match the body, in a very general and basic sense, I wouldn't say that we are referring to a defective brain. That is, the brain is functioning normally, but it identifies as a gender incongruous with the body in which it is housed. There is, however, another quite compelling theory that claims the brain is a product of how the body interacts with its environment. This theory is was formulated in response to the so far failed attempts at true artificial intelligence (AI) research, where self-awareness and consciousness can be recreated "in the lab".

The theory holds that, uncontroversially, the body is the input tool used to feed the brain information about its environment. But you can't do this quickly, as AI researchers have been doing so far, by punching and crunching data and then feeding it into their AI device. Rather, from the first to the last time a human picks up, say, a banana, it is not only identifying it's shape, colour, texture and smell, but it is compiling the entire experience as a whole. That is, everything to do with that banana is being processed. Time, place, sounds, emotional state, other minds, everything, so that the end result is an experience that forges an ongoing physical and emotional state of being that, combined with a perpetual myriad of other states, gives rise to consciousness.

I was going to write something about the "brain in a vat" thought experiment, but I've lost interest and probably said enough already.

As I said before, I don't know why I'm TG. But I do know that it's pretty much messed up my life for good. My partner just ended our relationship of over 10-years because of my TG disclosure. I am at odds with my being TG. I am yet to identify with anyone in the TG "community" at all (and that's not through lack of trying). I love being with women, but, as discussed with my ex, I will now have to be upfront about my gender/sexuality. This is great in that it means I'm seeking someone who will like me for who I am and that it's the right thing to do anyway. But it also not only narrows my partner prospects but leaves me in a very precarious position regarding disclosure – as you all know, once it's out there, it's out there. Lucky I have an introverted, private personality, I guess, because I'll be spending a lot of time alone. One of the things that irks me about this situation is that, even if I wanted to be more social, I don't really have a choice in the matter.





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Jenna Stannis

With regard to natural selection, mutations can be positive (adaptively advantageous), negative (adaptively detrimental) or neutral (no effect on adaptation).

Just sayin'...
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JRD

Could be the multiple head injuries I received as a baby and child.


or maybe because of something my mother took or maybe some genetic thing or we are all really just asleep in tanks and basically dreaming everything that some alien machine race is wanting us to.


So basically, I don't know and really I don't think it matters.
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Jenna Stannis

As for whether it matters about knowing the how or why of being TG, I think that all depends on your stance. If you're happy with who you are, I can understand that ultimately it doesn't really matter. Conversely, if you're like me and find being TG an impediment to your life, then knowing how and why can be quite important.
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JRD

Quote from: Jenna Stannis on December 18, 2013, 05:14:56 PM
As for whether it matters about knowing the how or why of being TG, I think that all depends on your stance. If you're happy with who you are, I can understand that ultimately it doesn't really matter. Conversely, if you're like me and find being TG an impediment to your life, then knowing how and why can be quite important.
Would knowing why make it not such an impediment?  or are you more looking for an explanation to tell others that could improve your chances of acceptance?

Just curious, not any sort of attack or anything.
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Mogu

Quote from: Tessa James on December 18, 2013, 03:06:05 PM
And genetic variation is essential for survival of any species on this planet.

We are helping humanity to evolve and survive!
Sort of. Genetic variation is one of the important factors in evolution, but that doesn't mean that the variation is always good.

For the most part, being TG is rather a negative, I don't see how it exactly contributes to human evolution and survival.

Maybe if being TG let you float stuff with your mind or something...
Quote from: Jenna Stannis on December 18, 2013, 04:36:19 PM
The alternative is that you, we, have brains that are structured much like female brains. This is not just conjecture on my part, there are many recent studies now showing distinctive physical differences between male and female brains. Yes, there are probably more similarities between male and female brains than there are differences, but it could be that those few differences are enough to make the gender distinctions at a neurological level. I suppose you could call this a defect, but only in the sense that our brains have formed in the wrong body
Not entirely sure where my surgeon was getting this, but he told my parents that if you biopsy the brain of a TG person, it will show their true gender (What they transitioned to). Which would mean that being TG is a physical defect.
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Tessa James

Quote from: Mogu on December 18, 2013, 05:41:04 PM
Sort of. Genetic variation is one of the important factors in evolution, but that doesn't mean that the variation is always good.

For the most part, being TG is rather a negative, I don't see how it exactly contributes to human evolution and survival.

Maybe if being TG let you float stuff with your mind or something...Not entirely sure where my surgeon was getting this, but he told my parents that if you biopsy the brain of a TG person, it will show their true gender (What they transitioned to). Which would mean that being TG is a physical defect.

Well this is all personal perspective and experience but we TG learn how to adapt to sometimes extreme circumstances.  We share experiences that most people will never know.  Our adaptability allows us to live through the spectrum of gender and sex.  We survive and even thrive and help others coming after us to understand the diversity they may be exploring for the first time at age 6 or 60.  These are very real contributions and i only wish Susan's had been around back in the 1960s.  Being transgender is a plus for me as this acceptance helps me understand my life and make sense of the feelings and challenges I have experienced.  Different folks and different strokes.  And soft strokes work best for me thx;)
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Jenna Stannis

Quote from: big head horsey-face on December 18, 2013, 05:19:01 PM
Would knowing why make it not such an impediment? or are you more looking for an explanation to tell others that could improve your chances of acceptance?

No offence taken.

No, it's all about me, nobody else. Irrespective of what I discover, I doubt attitudes toward me would change. To them, I'd still just be trans.

Aside from that, there are a few reasons why "I gots to know". First, I'm just that sort of person; I have a curious mind and like to know how things work. Second, since I don't enjoy many aspects of being TG, it would be good to know whether it has an identifiable cause and if so whether that cause is reversible. I know that's an affront to many people here, but I believe that I should be able to express my views on my own situation. Third, if it is something that has no discernible origin, this too may put my mind at ease, as it is something out of my control and therefore something not worth worrying about.

I think the thing to remember here is that I'm not very happy with my gender. I can remember being this way since the age of 7, which likely means that, having had a relatively happy childhood, I was born this way. I believe that from that early age, and because I was TG, I slowly evolved into a very quiet and reclusive person. That is, I think it has dictated how my personality has developed into adulthood, mostly because I knew that I wouldn't be accepted by most people and so kept it a well-guarded secret. But that secret, despite remaining a secret, has driven a wedge between myself and family, friends and work colleagues, because I seem evasive, aloof and noncommittal. As such, I feel as though I've been held hostage by my gender dysphoria, and like any long-term hostage, I believe that the only joy I derive from being transgender could be likened to the joy or positivity linked to Stockholm Syndrome.
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Declan.

Quote from: Jenna Stannis on December 18, 2013, 06:15:49 PMSecond, since I don't enjoy many aspects of being TG, it would be good to know whether it has an identifiable cause and if so whether that cause is reversible. I know that's an affront to many people here, but I believe that I should be able to express my views on my own situation.

Saying that is going to get the same reactions you'd get if you went to an LGBT board and were talking about wanting to "cure" homosexuality. There's a reason why the treatment for what we suffer from is physical change to match your soul and mind. To "treat" it would be to fundamentally change the very core of your being. You would no longer be you. I have never heard of someone being successful in the long run with that kind of "treatment," just like someone who is "ex-gay" inevitably comes out years - even decades - down the road and admits that it did not work.

QuoteYou could be right; it could be a psychological defect, where, as with other mental health conditions, your brain "tricks" you into believing that you're someone that you're not.

The problem is with the body, not the brain. Who you are is never a problem. Depression is not "who you are," anxiety is not "who you are," but your very gender identity... that's a different story.
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