Care to show yourself without makeup?

[Jay-Bird]

I test out going out in "boy" mode all the time! Like today I was waiting on a burger and this guy was like "Are you in line young man?

hmm, that's not so easy for me anymore, I have no boy clothes left and I would have to painfully bind too.
That and I think if I had to dress as a boy again, I would probably do some serious amounts of sobbing, its been a while would be kinda weird now.
Guess I will just peer over the counter so they can only see my face when I go buy milk 

[Keaira]

Even if I'm trying, I don't pass as male anymore. And I've even tried. There's just so many features that say the opposite of boy. no adams apple, my voice, face... People think that the facial hair is because of some side effect of a shot I might have had.

[Heather]

Emma by looking at your picture you do look feminine already just wait until your hair grows out I doubt you'll be called young man then.

[tomthom]

Does this work for that? I didn't have anything to hold in place back so I just put it back as much as I can and I look ridiculous lol.

alright, here ya go. I added more hair to the back and to the front(front being a bit more obvious) and it's all very rough to give you an idea. I also did some color correction stuff just because I can't help it. but as you can see once your hair properly frames your face and forehead is more covered, it's extremely hard to see you as a boy

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[EmmaS]

alright, here ya go. I added more hair to the back and to the front(front being a bit more obvious) and it's all very rough to give you an idea. I also did some color correction stuff just because I can't help it. but as you can see once your hair properly frames your face and forehead is more covered, it's extremely hard to see you as a boy

http://<a href="http://s1300.beta.photobucket.com/user/Thomas_Aguirre/media/Untitled-1_zps427339b9.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag98/Thomas_Aguirre/Untitled-1_zps427339b9.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo Untitled-1_zps427339b9.jpg"/></a>

Well cool, thanks for taking the time to do that

[tomthom]

no prob. little edits like that take 5 minutes tops.

Joanna, I think you'll pass fine once you start. I image the edges of your chine will fill out quite nicely.

[Joanna Dark]

Thanks tomthom! I can't wait til my face rounds out, clears up, smooths out and gets a little "puffy" and soft.  I'm hoping against hope that possibly the tip of my nose shrinks. It used to be pretty delicate and then around  age 20 the tip took on a life of its own. Fracking testosterone, ew. I can pinch it though and it's all skin and fat so its possible estrogen counteracts that. But I'm not banking on it. I'm just tired of pretending to be a man. 

[Heather]

I'm just tired of pretending to be a man.

I think we all are.

[natastic]

I think we all are.

I know I am. 

It gets tough for me, as someone who is not particularly interested in makeup, to be confident in the idea that its "okay" for me to declare myself a woman and endeavor to be seen as one when I'm not "sticking to the script" (i.e. acting feminine, wearing makeup, etc.).  And I KNOW it's totally legitimate (that "the script" doesn't really exist) and we're not all the same just because we're all transwomen....but I have this brain thing all up in my business and it gives me sh*t like 24/7.

I'm a very tomboyish girl and it's hard to believe that I could ever been read as anything other than a feminine guy.

[tomthom]

I know I am. 

It gets tough for me, as someone who is not particularly interested in makeup, to be confident in the idea that its "okay" for me to declare myself a woman and endeavor to be seen as one when I'm not "sticking to the script" (i.e. acting feminine, wearing makeup, etc.).  And I KNOW it's totally legitimate (that "the script" doesn't really exist) and we're not all the same just because we're all transwomen....but I have this brain thing all up in my business and it gives me sh*t like 24/7.

I'm a very tomboyish girl and it's hard to believe that I could ever been read as anything other than a feminine guy.

hahaha, I'm the same way, no worries. Although I do enjoy throwing in some dramatic flair, although I think that comes from hanging out in the art community more than anything else. I fully intend to be just as much of a gaming nerd with a slight domineering streak as a woman as I have been as a man. Can't wait until I get my first "fake gamer girl" abuse so I can rip them a new one.

[Shantel]

I know I am. 

It gets tough for me, as someone who is not particularly interested in makeup, to be confident in the idea that its "okay" for me to declare myself a woman and endeavor to be seen as one when I'm not "sticking to the script" (i.e. acting feminine, wearing makeup, etc.).  And I KNOW it's totally legitimate (that "the script" doesn't really exist) and we're not all the same just because we're all transwomen.

A lot of cis women don't wear makeup. I don't because it's a lot of work and I don't think that defines me anyway. I do use several different facial care products  moisturizer, under eye care and chubby stick lip color occasionally from Clinique, facial cleanser and hair products from Aveda, but I can't see making up my face before stepping out the door each day as a validating thing for me. Perhaps I'm just plain lazy and prefer to present in androgynous mode anyway.

[natastic]

Well there's lots of girls around these days who are too lazy to wear makeup aside from special occasions, so that's not that weird if it's your thing, OTOH most girls actually are feminine, just makeup isn't always the way they express their femininity [. . . .]

And I'm not talking down about these things, I'm just saying, if we believe brain sex is what makes ya trans, it's only natural that most MAAB people whose brain sex dips into the female range don't dip that far, or maybe they don't even dip into the female range, just close enough to it that it causes gender confusion.

It seems as though you're implying a correlation between how far brain sex "dips into" the female range, and the degree to which a person participates in certain activities and behaviors typically associated with femininity. I dont agree with you. 

This has really been at the core of a long struggle of questioning the validity of my belief that I am female, that I am trans, because I am not inclined to this set of behaviors and activities that are "Feminine."

Femininity and masculinity are arguably socially constructed (this is a view I subscribe to), and so I would argue that its entirely possible that my brain sex is completely,  unmistakably female. A combination of personal preferences and socialization accounts for my relative disinterest in traditionally feminine things.

I suppose I should have called out the distinction I implicitly wrote into my post about not "acting feminine" because I certainly didnt mean to imply that I dont feel like a woman, or even that I dont feel like I have feminine personality traits. I believe my brain sex is just as female as any person who embraces all society deems feminine.

Of course, its hard to say that I'm not just blowing smoke, as we really dont have a whole lot of a clue what actually accounts for the gendered human experience and the formation of gendered identity.

[tomthom]

while intriguing, let's try and reel in the gender debates for this thread. if you do make a new thread for t though, I'd appreciate a PM to follow it.

[Hideyoshi]

two without makeup

first picture I still had my bushman eyebrows

.. I like butterflies :3

[Shantel]

[img width=300

.. I like butterflies :3

You're a cute gal! Butterflies are meaningful to us huh?

[Hideyoshi]

You're a cute gal! Butterflies are meaningful to us huh?

thanks! ya I didn't realize that until right after I posted my pictures, hehe

I remember getting in a fight with a boy who was killing butterflies on the soccer field when I was like 8.  Maybe a peek into the future of what I would become?

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[Shantel]

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You look every bit a woman regardless Catherine!

[Catherine Sarah]

Thank you Shantel. I'm confident you look just as good,if not better.

Huggs
Catherine

[Shantel]

Thank you Shantel. I'm confident you look just as good,if not better.

Huggs
Catherine

Don't put any money on it Catherine!