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Why do some think passing isn't important? (rant)

Started by muuu, March 09, 2013, 09:53:21 AM

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Padma

Quote from: Misato33 on March 09, 2013, 12:07:19 PM
I think we call nuggets like this one "knee slappers".  Thanks for the laugh!

You're welcome :) - I'm trying to see if it'll catch on... I actually came up with it recently when I was trying to decide how to let the hospital I was about to be seen by know what to expect in terms of anatomy, and ended up telling them to expect "a woman with persistent male genitalia" - they were amused and very respectful of me. I now use the above in less formal situations.
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Tristan

Quote from: Bella on March 09, 2013, 12:05:37 PM
Hm, I disagree. It's typically an obsession with beauty, not passing, that develops.

Also, my goal was to be able to not be a transsexual anymore. I used to think that I always had to be a transsexual, but through specialist therapy I came to recognize that I didn't have to. Now I live as just another woman, which is what I wanted. It doesn't have to be a lifelong thing.
i can see your point. its kind of the cross roads im at now. just wanting to be a woman
and bout that comment on the people who do truly look make but try to present as female. i have noticed that they tend to get mis treated and even harassed more. there was a few woman i knew of that live in not so open areas in florida like Levy county and they git spit at, had a beer bottle tossed at them and was even attacked before. in their cases i so wish they could pass so they would not have to endure that kind of awful and scary behavior. with the exception of cases like theirs i dont think passing should be everything though
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Dahlia

Well...depends on...I pass fine and I'm very pleased about that. No social problems.

BUT that doesn't mean people in general sense I'm a MTF....not always instantly, but surely after a while.
I don't care if people know or sense I'm MTF, I'm fine with that, no secrets, no cramped daily life.

One of my MTF friends is post op...she's huge, she's tall, she has a gruff masculine face and hands, she moves like a quarterback AND realises and knows very well that  no matter what she does or undertakes...she won't be seen a a woman, ever no matter what.
She accepted herself and her situation and doesn't have problems with her masculine looks and sizes.


Another of my MTF friends is post op and breath taking, stunningly beautiful and feminine.

Of course her stunning beauty attracts a lot of attention and especially men sense she's a MTF.

BUT because she's so beautiful people in general treat her very nice, very kind, with egards.

But no 100% passing there either.
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JoanneB

I think "not passing" is too broad of a term for the sake of this discussion. I see two distinct not passing camps. One is the the FTW, If I say I feel like a woman then it is your problem if you cannot see me as one (even though I seemingly make absolutely no effort to). Then there is the I am glad to finally be happy in my skin camp. Those that do try to pass, try to conform to societies norms, yet know they really don't. Nevertheless they are finally happy with themselves realising all that.

There is a member of my TG group my heart absolutely goes out to. This poor soul, much like me tried their best to live up to their birth role. But now after realizing the truth about himself feels that there is no point to his life. No way can he ever pass. No way can he have a chance to grab the brass ring of happiness, much less joy. Just doomed to a miserable tortured existence. Unless, of course, he drinks himself to death, or use a more direct method.

So one can argue we place too much emphasis on passing as being critical for sucess. A position I well understand having twice in my 20's stopped my experiments on transitioning. Due in large part to me not wanting to voluntarily go into a life being a target of ridicule after barely escaping one that was. At an ugly 6ft tall, big frog hands, super extra large feet, super-sized super orbital ridges, deep voice, and balding I was far from an ideal candidate for transition.

It takes a lot of work and growth to get to the point where you finally reach a place where you allow yourself to put your own happiness above someone elses or the rest of societies. It may not be a perfect or ideal life, but neither was the one you were leading. It's every individual's perogative to do that cost-benifit analysis.

I put myself sort of into the "I know I ultimately don't.. but" camp. I finally found happiness and joy in my life. Happy being me. Finally glad to be part of the body I inhabit. In an area of 5'4"250 lb women I know I stand out at 6ft and 150 lbs. I always try to present as unabiguously female as possible. No doubt it helps.
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Dahlia

Quote from: Bella on March 09, 2013, 12:30:48 PM
@Dahlia

I'm sorry that people seem to "sense" your transsexuality, but I've never experienced this myself. I have, however, never lived as a guy, so that might have had an affect. I had nothing to "relearn". Regardless, I don't agree with this perception of yours. Just because people always seem to sense that *you* are trans, doesn't mean it's like that with everyone.
QuoteI'm sorry that people seem to "sense" your transsexuality

No reason to feel sorry about that...thanks. I'm perfectly  fine with my self, my situation, my flawless work etcetc.

I too never lived as a guy....even if I had wanted too I would never have succeeded. I was way too feminine looking and acting.

My stunningly beautiful MTF friend also never lived as a guy, also way too feminine looking and acting before.

MTF always have a 'transdar' and most people here in Holland too.....it's not an uncommon thing anymore.
People just know and sense.

On the other hand I have to admit no one ever asked me whether I am a MTF.
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TerriT

I don't know about everyone else, and I can understand lot's or reasons why passing wouldn't/shouldn't be important. But for me, it is, even though it seems impossible.
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Dahlia

Quote from: Bella on March 09, 2013, 01:01:44 PM
@Dahlia

Well if you're so sure they sense it, you must be putting out something. Again, it is silly to assume that because that's how it is with you, that's how it is with everyone, but I see why you'd prefer to believe that :)

I  know many, many mtf who are able to fool themselves into 'stealth'...and simply don't or won't notice other people's body language, subtle facial expressions etcetc.

They simple don't realise people in general are too respectful to ask a MTF if she's MTF etc....in the Western World that is.
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Devlyn

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