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If your parents died before you told them you were a transsexual...

Started by Arch, March 10, 2013, 12:19:08 AM

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Arch

...and you KNEW you were trans, and perhaps you even transitioned, I want to hear from you. What regrets do you have (if any) about not telling them, what advantages (if any) have you enjoyed? If you had to do it all over again, would you tell them?
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Cindy

Interesting Thought.

As some may recall I did tell my parents at a young age but they couldn't cope.

Moving forward I'm now a very happy woman who needs surgery (and the money for it) to complete me.

But I'm a very happy woman and enjoying life in a way I had idea was at all possible.

I would love to go and meet my parents now.

This comment is not rude nor meant to be:

I would love to talk to my Mum and show her I'm not the sick freak weird creature that she thought I was. I would love to  let her meet her daughter; and show that she is a nice woman who has walked her path, with no small thanks to the sacrifices she made as a mother to her children.

I would love to let my Daddy meet me, and be proud. Let him see that I carry his compassion for fellow humans.

I have to be careful in saying my desire to meet is not one of revenge, it is a desire that they could finally be proud of me.

I think I was a very sad disappointment to them. I regret that they had that pain. I would take it from them if I could.

My advantage was that I could transition with no parental pressure.  If I could have transitioned when they were alive I would have done so but I needed strength and it took a long time to find it.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Arch on March 10, 2013, 12:19:08 AM
...and you KNEW you were trans, and perhaps you even transitioned, I want to hear from you. What regrets do you have (if any) about not telling them, what advantages (if any) have you enjoyed? If you had to do it all over again, would you tell them?

Great question, Arch.

I will be PERFECTLY honest and if people think I'm a jerk, well so be it.

I loved my parents dearly and miss them a lot.

But my coming out and transition would not have made them happy. They were very smart people with a very low emotional IQ and it would have confused them. They would have gone along with it but never been OK or 100% accepting.

I think the fact that they're not around makes the whole thing easier.

There, I said it.
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DriftingCrow

Well, I think if I told my mom I was trans, it would be easier to come out to my dad later. She'd probably do a lot to help soften the blow. I don't think she would've had a problem with it, she thought my younger brother was going to be a crossdresser and she said she was OK with that. I knew I was trans before she died but wasn't confident enough yet to come out.
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bethany

Quote from: Arch on March 10, 2013, 12:19:08 AM
...and you KNEW you were trans, and perhaps you even transitioned, I want to hear from you. What regrets do you have (if any) about not telling them, what advantages (if any) have you enjoyed? If you had to do it all over again, would you tell them?

Awesome question  Arch,  My mom died back in 02 and though I never told her that I'm trans, I'm sure she knew that I was at least a cross dresser. I wish she was here no so she could see how happy I have been since starting my transition . And thats my only regret. Actually my dad and I talked about this just a few weeks ago. And he said "That mom would have supported your decision 100% seeing you happy is all she ever wanted." 
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Sara Thomas

It is a good question! Both of my folks died when I was a teenager, but I believe that they would have been very accepting (heck... considering all that I got away with) and encouraging.

P'haps I'm just romanticizing their memory - but yeah... I don't believe they would hardly have batted an eye.
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Arch

My parents are still living. I used to think that my father would accept me if he knew. I know that I was romanticizing him and making my mother the sole antagonist. But lately I've come to be more realistic about him. I think my brother is right in saying that neither parent would accept me.

Maybe my father would need some time to get used to me, but how much time has he got? That's the real question. He could go on for many more years, but he's about the same age as his father when he died...and my father's sister just passed away, and she was only four years older than my father is.

I keep thinking about how much "easier" it would be to not have to deal with all of this. I could just wait them out. Except that my father has tracked me down now (name, mailing address) and is asking my brother questions. I think I cannot keep my secret for much longer. But I want it to be MY decision, not his. I don't want to be pushed into anything. And I'm not sure it would be worth it to come out to him/them.
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lizagirl

My father was a proud man, and he went to his grave thinking that he had two girls and the boy he had tried to have for ten years after my sisters were born. He would never have understood or accepted me. He is also the reason I didn't transition earlier in life after I had come to accept who I was. So I had to keep it all a secret from him for nearly thirty years, even though it was so obvious to others that I was a girl and not a boy.

What I regret is that I wasn't able to start my transition as a teenager or even in my early twenties instead of in my thirties.

My mom does know and helped me tell my step-dad, who at least uses my correct name but still uses the wrong pronouns.
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aleon515

My parents have died. I told them when I was 7, though at that time not sure they had any idea what this was. They were actually pretty good about it for the times. I think my mom would have been accepting eventually, but not sure my dad would have been.

--Jay
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Cindy

Quote from: Arch on March 10, 2013, 10:09:45 PM
My parents are still living. I used to think that my father would accept me if he knew. I know that I was romanticizing him and making my mother the sole antagonist. But lately I've come to be more realistic about him. I think my brother is right in saying that neither parent would accept me.

Maybe my father would need some time to get used to me, but how much time has he got? That's the real question. He could go on for many more years, but he's about the same age as his father when he died...and my father's sister just passed away, and she was only four years older than my father is.

I keep thinking about how much "easier" it would be to not have to deal with all of this. I could just wait them out. Except that my father has tracked me down now (name, mailing address) and is asking my brother questions. I think I cannot keep my secret for much longer. But I want it to be MY decision, not his. I don't want to be pushed into anything. And I'm not sure it would be worth it to come out to him/them.

Arch, in your case what is the down side of your father knowing? You are a grown independent man with a good respectable position in society. Basically a guy a Dad should be proud of.

What is the problem?

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Arch

The problem...make that problems...the problems are so many. I left home never wanting to see them again. I knew that I might just need time to sort myself out, but I didn't get it; my brother told my parents where to find me, and my buffer zone was compromised. Under pressure from others, I relented and wrote letters. Hated every minute of it. Cut them off again, this time for twenty years.

My mother is a religious woman, terribly conservative, and she wears the pants in that marriage. For various reasons, I loathe her. My brother doesn't like her, either, and he has indicated that she hasn't changed--and that my father is still in her thrall.

I certainly don't trust her, but I don't trust him, either. When I was a kid, he took her side against me over and over. Or rather, he passively sat by while she did what she did.

I have severe mother issues. I have serious father issues. I haven't worked through all of this in therapy, and I don't even know whether I want to see him again, let alone her. It's a complicated mess.

After I started my transition, I was quite certain that I would never make contact again, but last year I started thinking about reaching out. I think there are advantages to just letting them die without knowing me, but the disadvantages probably outweigh the advantages. So I wondered about other people's experiences...regrets...benefits...

My situation is obviously not like most other people's. I cut off my parents long ago, well before I even realized that FTMs existed, and then I cut them off again, supposedly for good. I haven't seen them in...well, since the end of 1984, so it's been over 28 years. Most trans people have a different arc with their parents, but I was hoping to learn something new in this thread.
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Cindy

Quote from: Arch on March 11, 2013, 12:30:20 AM
The problem...make that problems...the problems are so many. I left home never wanting to see them again. I knew that I might just need time to sort myself out, but I didn't get it; my brother told my parents where to find me, and my buffer zone was compromised. Under pressure from others, I relented and wrote letters. Hated every minute of it. Cut them off again, this time for twenty years.

My mother is a religious woman, terribly conservative, and she wears the pants in that marriage. For various reasons, I loathe her. My brother doesn't like her, either, and he has indicated that she hasn't changed--and that my father is still in her thrall.

I certainly don't trust her, but I don't trust him, either. When I was a kid, he took her side against me over and over. Or rather, he passively sat by while she did what she did.

I have severe mother issues. I have serious father issues. I haven't worked through all of this in therapy, and I don't even know whether I want to see him again, let alone her. It's a complicated mess.

After I started my transition, I was quite certain that I would never make contact again, but last year I started thinking about reaching out. I think there are advantages to just letting them die without knowing me, but the disadvantages probably outweigh the advantages. So I wondered about other people's experiences...regrets...benefits...

My situation is obviously not like most other people's. I cut off my parents long ago, well before I even realized that FTMs existed, and then I cut them off again, supposedly for good. I haven't seen them in...well, since the end of 1984, so it's been over 28 years. Most trans people have a different arc with their parents., but I was hoping to learn something new in this thread.

Well I think in that case the responses may be of interest. Some say no way, and some have had few problems and others, and I include myself here, have a pride issue in that I would take pleasure in proving that I am a very valid human being and my gender issues are as irrelevant as anything else people discriminate on.

However I suffered no abuse from my parents, they did not understand and my mother used words and attitude that deeply hurt me, when I needed comfort and understanding. But I also walked away and made my own path and once in Australia I was totally cut off from them except by letter.

In your case it sounds as if their attitudes and response to you have not and therefore probably cannot change. If you and they have been away for so long I (personally) would not have any contact with them again.
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salemasss

I hate my father so much that I couldn't care less if he dies without knowing that I'm trans. He doesn't suspect a thing but is already rude with me because I don't live up to his expectations of how what man should I be. He told me that he'd better watch movies than talk with me until I won't change. He said that I will fail in life. I just have to make sure that he doesn't find out about myself while I live with him. I'm scared to think what would he do if he did. And when I'll leave home, I want to completely cut off him. It's difficult with my mother. She is very loving, too much loving. I doubt that she would accept me as a woman. I've always been her little boy. She is already upset that I'm not 100% honest with her. And she would be shattered if I would never contact her again in the future. I just don't know what would hurt her more. Not being able to contact me in the future or having to deal with the fact that I'm trans and that I won't be her precious boy.
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FTMDiaries

My mother died four years after I realised I was trans. I never told her. I wrote a blog post last year about the reasons why I didn't tell her (trigger warning: mentions of abuse): http://ftmdiaries.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/why-i-never-came-out-to-my-mother.html

I'd been telling her that I was really a boy from age 5; she'd only ever ridiculed, neglected and humiliated me for my identity so I'd learned to keep quiet. When I realised at 19 that I was trans, I needed to protect myself from further abuse so I decided not to give her the ammo.

Mum had been through three difficult marriages, each of which failed. As a result, she was quite bitter about life and she used to take out her frustrations on me. Her third husband was an abusive alcoholic who loved to pick on me, and my Mum just fell into the same pattern and carried on doing it after he left. So by the time I realised I was trans, our relationship was so toxic that I knew it wouldn't be safe to confide in her. I kept it to myself for my own protection.

She died of cancer when I was 23 whilst I was still living with her (helping to take care of her and my younger brother) so our relationship never had a chance to mature. I don't regret for one second never telling her that I'm trans under the circumstances; but I do regret the fact that our relationship never had a chance to mature during my adulthood so that I could've reconsidered coming out to her.





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Kaori

Hi Arch,

I'm not sure if my story will help but it seems to me that I have a few things in common with you on this topic, given what I've heard so far. I'll share a bit that I think may be relevant.

I have 3 "Dads." The one in concern is the one I met when I was age 13. He was by far the best Dad out of the 3 of them, thankfully. But things didn't start out too great for him and I. I called him "Dad" for more than 20 years.

My mom was what she thought was a devout Roman Catholic. I was raised as Catholic without choice until I was 15 years old, when I started making my own choices. My past, before transition is very complicated.

My Dad past away in 2005. He knew that I had a some sexual experiences with boys/men before but I never talked about dating men to my family. It was only acceptable for me to date women. When my relationship with him grew somewhat close toward the end of the time we spent together, he seemed to be on my side more than ever. Or at least as "unbiased" as he could be. We had more of a "don't ask, don't tell" relationship when it came to what I did and didn't do, and who I did it with when I was going out clubbing and spending the night or weekend with whoever I was dating at the time.

I didn't think my Mom would accept me as trans*, let alone bisexual. After reaching my teens, I studied (and sometimes practiced) every religion I could learn about "but" hers—a sore spot for her. She knew I was "different" when I was a toddler and definitely by the time I was 8. She knew I was different in gender and sexuality than the boy she thought I was. But I was not permitted to behave in any manner other than that of a good, Christian, cissexual, "straight" male.

I was made out to be the black sheep of the family. My Mom abandoned me to state custody when I was 15. She made an example out of me to my younger brother and sister. An "example" which has left scars between us all, that have lasted to this day.

Despite the past, I lived relatively close to my family until the year 2000, with only a few spaces where I spent a year or two away from everyone. The last year that I got to spend with my Dad, I think he had really started to warm up to me. We talked about things we had never talked about before. And he seemed genuinely interested when he would ask me questions about where I was going to "hang out" on the weekends, "Oh, what kind of club do you go to? What do you do there? Do you work there?"

I wore make-up, mostly goth at that time. Leather choker/bracelets/belt and knee high black boots. Fishnet covering my forearms and waist. I had more piercings than everyone else in my family combined.

I don't mean to focus on this, to create some image of myself, but this is my memory of the last private conversation that he and I had. He was concerned and interested in what I was doing. Why I was packing a backpack full of skirts and both male and female clothes on the weekends when I went out. Did he know I had all the make-up and female clothes in my backpack? He already knew I shaved my entire body except the hair on top of my head. Actually, my whole family knew that... I did it once for swim team when I was 16 and never stopped (well, not until HRT anyway). I started feeling terribly "unclean" when the hair grew back. So I just kept up with it.

I don't know, maybe he wasn't "genuinely" interested. But he put up a good "front" in the last couple years, if he wasn't. He was "Chief of Police" when I met him. He'd been in every branch of the military except Navy and was still in the National Guard part time when I last seen him. Except he wasn't a policeman anymore—he was a Fire Chief and Paramedic of Sun City West in Phoenix, where he served the Phoenix community until he passed away from cancer.

When he asked about what was in my backpack, we were out in the garage at my parents house (I still lived with them at the time, except for the weekends that I most often spent escaping from them). It was already dark out. There was this small, quiet voice inside me that wanted to talk to my Dad. I wanted to run into his arms and burst into tears. I wanted to tell him of numerous things I was ashamed of. I wanted admit to him that I still didn't know who I was, that I didn't understand how I fit into this world yet, that there are still a lot things that don't make sense to me.

I wanted to say all of this without him being dismissive and thinking I just being foolish or illogical. I know he would have listened to me. He would have stayed up just to talk to me even though he had to be up for a 24 hour shift in less than 6 hours. I don't know if he would have understood. Honestly, I wouldn't have been able to tell him that I was a transsexual at that time. I didn't have any words or understanding of trans issues until he passed away.

I regret not telling him. Oh, how I regret not telling him. I didn't know "how" to tell him. But I wanted to try. Of all the things that I've been ashamed to tell my dad, I would not have been ashamed to tell him who I really was. I would have been very afraid, yes. But ashamed, no. It was the truth. My truth. And he never got to hear it. He never got to understand me. He never had the chance to be proud of me because he never knew who I was.

Yeah, he had said a few times in my life that he was proud of me. But it all seemed like a dream, it wasn't really me he was proud of. He was proud of this empty shell, this bruised and lost person I had become. I learned how to get by, to survive, to get the job done, to do and say what society expected of me. But I never learned how to be me. That little girl was burned, beaten, and abused mentally, physically and sexually. She was told how worthless she was, how stupid, how stubborn, how evil. She was reprogrammed. She learned to not be herself. It was safer that way anyway, less work, and much less painful and confusing.

I didn't break this programming, this "code" until I was in my 30's, until I went through 3 fathers, losing every one of them. Yes, I am sure I saved my father some pain, some tears, some shame, some fear and disappointment, maybe even some anger; by not telling him I am transsexual.

There is only one thing I remember my Dad pulling me aside and talking to me in private about, to confide in me. It was one of the very few times I had ever seen tears in his eyes. He looked at, he was frustrated for me yet hopeful at the same time. He wanted what was best for me and he said something like, "don't live your life trying to meet the expectations of someone else." I didn't understand exactly what he meant, and even less did understand who he was referring to, but then he said: "don't spend your life trying to live for my approval... for anyone's approval!"

He "was" talking about me. But he was referring to his past. He never got his fathers approval from what I understand. And I would guess that he never did. My Dad's father was still alive when my Dad past away.

When my father passed away, my family was torn into miserable pieces. I drank more alcohol than I can remember, I almost committed suicide, my brother was on drugs, my sister got a divorce shortly after, my Mom... I don't even know what to tell you about my Mom. That's a whole 'nother story.

I came out to my friends, family, work, ...the whole world in 2008. I have turned my life around and I can't imagine anyone who knows me not being proud of who I have become in respect to where I came from.

Unfortunately, my family still doesn't know me. I tried to bring them back into my life when I started my transition. But it's too late. They haven't broken all ties with me but they may as well have because I have a phone number, email, and mailing address that they never use. My own Mom. Aside from her giving birth to me and saving my life (literally) a couple times, I have nothing good to say about her at this point. And that has weighed heavily on me for the past few years... but at this point, all I can do is move on and wish that she would have opened up to me when I opened up to her.

If my Dad was here, I can't promise you that my Mom and I would have a good relationship once again, I can't even promise you that my Mom and I would be talking. But I know without doubt that my Dad would not have gone to his grave without trying to get my Mom and I back together, to explain to her that she has a daughter and NOT a son who she made herself and everyone else believe all of this time.

He would have told me that he was proud me, I am sure of it, if he knew everything that I have gone through in the past decade. I seen the tears in his eyes from the pain of not having his father's approval. And though he and I have had more than a few disagreements, because of that glimpse into his heart I know he would approve of the woman I have become, I know that he would be proud of me for who I am now.

It would be selfish of me to wish he was still here just to help me work some things out with my family. But if he were still here, or had I told him when I had the chance, things might have been quite a bit different between me and my family.

I will never know.

My apologies for running this post so long, I didn't plan on becoming this long winded or emotional.
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DanicaCarin

One of the biggest reasons I waited to transition was because my mom told me she would be "heart broken" if I walked out the door as a boy and returned as a girl! A year after she died I started HRT.

If I could have a "re-due", I would have transitioned and broke her heart....... :embarrassed:
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suzifrommd

Quote from: DaniStarr on March 11, 2013, 09:34:59 AM
One of the biggest reasons I waited to transition was because my mom told me she would be "heart broken" if I walked out the door as a boy and returned as a girl! A year after she died I started HRT.

If I could have a "re-due", I would have transitioned and broke her heart....... :embarrassed:

From her remark, sounds like she already knew, just didn't want to see it.

It's a shame that it's so hard to make even those cis people who know we're trans and care about us see how important it is for us to transition.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Seana

I lost my father about 7 years ago. I hadnt spoken to him in over a decade and heard little of him. He was never a close parent, and cared little for his children.I would not have done anything any differently in regards to him.
My Mother I was close to. She hated my wife with a passion and called her a french canadian whore and accused her of all kinds of nasty things. She understood my interest in bdsm eventually, though she admitted she didnt fully she accepted it was me.I believe transition would have been the same thing.  Her battle with my wife, ironically, was settled also by the grave, she too passed on a year ago.We had been split up for 5 years at the time.
I wonder if I was held back by my relationship with my mom. I'm really not sure. I know I was by my ex spouse, who wasnt supportive at all. I dont think it was any coincidence at all, that I started HRT just after her death though at the time I may not have thought so.
I'll agree with others though, that it made coming out a whole lot easier not having those extra burdens.
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FrancisAnn

It is a very difficult decision. I so wish as a teen I followed thru with the truth to my parents. They knew I was a MTF feminine little boy. But to make my father happier I hid the truth & lived as a boy/male. My mother always knew however we did not make any real changes with T blockers & estrogen. Both are now deseased. I loved them both & miss my mother. I always wanted to be the daughter she never had.
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Henna

My mother committed a suicide in 2001, few years after I had finally climbed back to the living, after a selfdestruct cycle after realizing I'm a woman and there's no way out from this body (or so I thought at the time).

Now that I'm moving towards transitioning (or I am transitioning, don't know which), I feel really sad that my mother is not here. I really would like to talk to her and tell her who I am.

I also would like to ask about my childhood from her. As I remember my mother letting me try her clothes, shoes and make-up and giving her old doll and carriage to me to play with. All this when I was about four to six. I would really like to ask her did I ask all that from her? Or how did she know or did she actually know that I'm a girl? Why wasn't I allowed to be a girl? Why was I forced to the boy role? Was it because of my father, whom with I lived after my parents divorced?

I just miss her so much and now more than ever, I would like to talk to her. I just feel that we would have more to talk now.

My grandmother, who has always been someone who I view as a mother to me, has thanked me, that I told her who I really am, before she will die or before she gets alzheimer's etc (she's over 80). At least she will hopefully get to know me as a complete me still in the future.
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