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What would it take for main stream religions to fully accept the LGBTQ community

Started by Anatta, March 10, 2013, 01:41:28 PM

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Flan

Quote from: StellaB on March 27, 2013, 02:42:55 PM
Religion involves freedom of choice. The law doesn't.
You might want to reread the first amendment of the US Constitution again.
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couch tater

Quote from: StellaB on March 27, 2013, 02:42:55 PM
I see a simple solution.

Equality for all in law - a matter of legislation.

Religion involves freedom of choice. The law doesn't.

Nobody should have the right to impose their personal beliefs on another.

I think when we start to see the protection of God removed and religious organizations prosecuted for discrimination or incitement to hatred then we will start to see a new wave of tolerance and acceptance in said religious organizations.
I think you will see forced acquiescence rather than tolerance and acceptance. And acceptance really can't be legislated at all, that's beyond just obeying non discrimination and anti-hate laws.
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Anatta

Quote from: StellaB on March 27, 2013, 02:42:55 PM
I see a simple solution.

Equality for all in law - a matter of legislation.

Religion involves freedom of choice. The law doesn't.

Nobody should have the right to impose their personal beliefs on another.

I think when we start to see the protection of God removed and religious organizations prosecuted for discrimination or incitement to hatred then we will start to see a new wave of tolerance and acceptance in said religious organizations.

Kia Ora StellaB,

Are you thinking along the lines of what happened when desegregation was put into place by law...One could argue it was a positive/wholesome form of 'social engineering' which over time gradually changed many white people's attitudes towards the African American...They were forced to conform to what became the 'new' norm...

Perhaps religo-social engineering is the way to go...Who knows....


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StellaB

Quote from: Sarah Louise on March 27, 2013, 02:48:41 PM
Wouldn't that be considered "imposing" your personal beliefs on me?

Not really. I don't see sexual orientation or a gender identity as a personal belief. 

Quote from: Flan on March 27, 2013, 02:54:37 PM
You might want to reread the first amendment of the US Constitution again.

And what of the civil rights movement? Besides I wasn't aware that the question pertained specifically to the United States of America.

Quote from: couch tater on March 27, 2013, 02:59:09 PM
I think you will see forced acquiescence rather than tolerance and acceptance. 

I'm okay with that. If some people of their own free will cannot respect the rights of others then yes, it really does need to be spelled out in legislation if only to set the standards for society.

Otherwise you could end up with a situation like the Taliban.

Quote from: Kuan Yin on March 28, 2013, 12:04:08 AM

Are you thinking along the lines of what happened when desegregation was put into place by law...One could argue it was a positive/wholesome form of 'social engineering' which over time gradually changed many white people's attitudes towards the African American...They were forced to conform to what became the 'new' norm...


Exactly.
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zombieinc

I don't think that the answer lies within changing the laws or the religious books or creeds or whatnot.

The answer lies with science for us. For transfolk to be accepted by mainstream Christianity, they would need to be fully gendered. Meaning they'd have to be able to carry the curses (if you call them that) ie ftms would need realistic and functional genitals that could sire children and mtfs would need to have female organs, cycles and be able to carry and give birth to children. Then there would be no need for them to get all butthurt over ->-bleeped-<-...we'd be like them, with the same abilities and able to reproduce, so really, what could be done or said then that would even begin to address their screwy logic?

As far as homosexuality and other such things go...I think science will answer those questions too. Eventually the search for the gay gene will end and the conservatives will have to admit that gays and lesbians are people too, not freaks or aberrations, but real life people. And with that will come a new understanding of human sexuality and relationships. I do think that the more widespread legalized same-sex marriage becomes, the more out in the open those types of relationships are, the more tolerant the Christian community will become of alternative lifestyles. The majority of the serious opposition comes from baby boomers and looney tunes gen xers. Once the baby boomers are gone, who is going to carry the mantle? Pat Robertson can't live forever, can he? (Unless he's a secret robot...I have my suspicions.)

In any case, I think that the US is very slowly headed in a more positive direction. I can't speak for other countries. I am assuming that more liberal countries in other parts of the world are probably further ahead in terms of civil rights and LGBT acceptance and the like.
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