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BBC seeks comedies to tackle transgender issues

Started by Rowan Rue, January 22, 2013, 10:53:32 PM

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Jamie D

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 18, 2013, 09:40:52 AM
Does comedy work with positive portrayals of any sort? All the best comic characters I can think of are deeply flawed.

I enjoyed the character of Mrs. Doubtfire.  She had a kind and loving heart.
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Pica Pica

Think of this in context though, it's a BBC competition for a sketch or sitcom or such. Which wouldn't include Ace Ventura or Mrs Doubtfire and only include the MASH TV series.

Also, British Comedy is full of flawed and potentially nasty people, take Basil Fawlty, Rigsby, Norman Stanley Fletcher - even Del Boy is selfish and often amoral.

So to write this sitcom for the competition, you'd have to have a flawed trans character (and it being a specifically trans competition, the focus has to be on the trans-ness) but have a positive portrayal and be funny...all in one episode.

Sounds like a competition set up to be impossible to me.
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SunKat

Quote from: sophieoftn on February 18, 2013, 04:59:58 PM
Then I'm still not clear who you were referring to when you mentioned M.A.S.H.
You could see Corporal Klinger as a way of poking fun at the bann of LGBT people serving in the military. I mean - the time when M.A.S.H ran was before even the days of "Don't Ask - Don't Tell". In those days, they could ask you - and compel you to tell.

I wasn't thinking of presenting a 'good' trans character in a comedy. As people have pointed out, they're practically non-existent.  I was thinking good comedy vs bad.  I used M.A.S.H. as an example because it represents some of the best of what comedy can be.  It was a social commentary on the Vietnam war disguised as a comedy about the Korean war.  It changed people's opinions about our relationship to war and allowed us to have a national conversation about topics and viewpoints that most Americans hadn't been exposed to.  I did think of Klinger but I specifically didn't mention him because although he's an incremental character he isn't a specifically 'trans' character.  I used 'Ace Ventura' as an example because it personally offends me and deserves a worst of comedy award whether we are talking trans characters or not.

While I didn't mean to contrast Klinger vs Einhorn directly as 'trans' characters, I still have some strong opinions regarding Klinger as an incremental character.

In terms of incremental characters...  Social change doesn't come as a revolution. It comes incrementally as people's minds and opinions changes.  Between Amos and Andy in the 30's and Cliff Huxtable in the 80's there were an number of incremental improvements in the representation of black characters.  The Nat King Cole Show, The Flip Wilson Show, Sanford and Son, the Jeffersons, The Cosby Show, Fresh Prince of Bel-Aire...  Even if the characters weren't perfect and even if the early shows still had a tinge of racism, they were still stepping stones along the path to eventual acceptance.  Each show in turn knocked another stone out of the racial stereotype.

For the 1970's, Klinger was probably the closest thing we could get to a 'wholesome crossdresser' character.  He was human, generally liked and accepted by his peers and he was a responsible and dependable, if not very enthusiastic, soldier. He was not a 'reluctant crossdresser' or a 'pervy crossdresser' and his acceptance by his peers was not dependent on his passing as a woman.  He had episodes where he struggled with how people perceived him and how he perceived himself. He's not a trans character and he's not a perfect 'crossdressing' character... but like the black character of Rochester from the Jack Benny Show he was a good character for his time.

For a good trans character I could have used someone like Roberta Muldoon from 'The World according to GARP', but I didn't find GARP to be effective as either a comedy or as a social commentary.  For more recent crossdressing characters I could have gone with Tootsie or Mrs Doubtfire.  Good comedies but not the sort of transformative social comedy that I would be hoping for in a new series.



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SunKat

Quote from: Pica Pica on February 18, 2013, 06:20:27 PM
Sounds like a competition set up to be impossible to me.

I think it could work and if I read the initial posting correctly this could turn into a pilot for a longer series.

I probably shouldn't put her on the spot like this since she isn't in this thread, but Midgear has an excellent starting premise in her new web comic at mockgirl.com.  Flesh it out and tweak it for the british sense of humor and I think you'd have a good series.

'Material Girl' by Mike Schmit, (This is a "must read". Read it online at heartgearimagineers.com/materialgirl/ and then buy a dozen print copies from Amazon), would be a ready made entry for this competition.  Funny, good characters, good character evolution, hints of deeper conflicts to be explored.  Love, action, jealousy, violence... There is enough already going on in the 'Material Girl' premise to do a couple of seasons.

This is definitely doable for someone out there.
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JenSquid

Quote from: SunKat on February 18, 2013, 09:05:51 PM
'Material Girl' by Mike Schmit, (This is a "must read". Read it online at heartgearimagineers.com/materialgirl/ and then buy a dozen print copies from Amazon), would be a ready made entry for this competition.  Funny, good characters, good character evolution, hints of deeper conflicts to be explored.  Love, action, jealousy, violence... There is enough already going on in the 'Material Girl' premise to do a couple of seasons.

SunKat, I assume it's not a coincidence you should mention Material Girl in the same thread as The Merchant of Venice? Noel is certainly cute as Portia. Anyway, I would second the recommendation of MG. As an aside, I was reading Mike Schmit's journal on DeviantArt when I realized I was in denial about being trans. As such, this holds a special place in my heart.
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SunKat

Quote from: JenSquid on February 20, 2013, 11:21:53 AM
SunKat, I assume it's not a coincidence you should mention Material Girl in the same thread as The Merchant of Venice? Noel is certainly cute as Portia.

Awwww.. waffling weasel wrists... I totally missed that...  [No wait... pretend it was on purpose.]

Thanks for the compliment JenSquid, but it was entirely coincidence. 
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lostflower

The character should be flawed in well rounded way so being trans is just a side point of their personality but also I'd suggest a main cast of a transperson and his/her family for example these tropes have been used a million times because they work just make them work with an tranperson in the cast simple.
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Patty_M

You know there was a transsexual character on the soap opera All My Children back in 2006.

In the story Zarf was an international rock star and was played in a pretty trans positive way.  Zarf was shown going to the endocrinologist and to a support group (which was made up of real trans women).  At the end of the part of the story line Zarf and Bianca - one of the show's lesbian characters - go off together for a European performance tour.

Zarf was reintroduced to the story a few months later but I haven't seen those episodes.

There is more on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarf_%28All_My_Children%29 and other sites.

Now the audience response was pretty negative but not exclusively so. 
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StellaB

I'm not sure if a sitcom would work to be honest given the amount of material that would be needed to sustain it. However I think that a one off or series of sketches could work and this could precede a sitcom.

This is not a new topic to me and is something that my actors have suggested (I'm a Fringe playwright working to develop a small theatre with professional actors). They're also trying to persuade me not to give up on my own acting and to try and become a transwoman actress. I keep my trans issues out of my work, to me it's my personal issue and not something I involve in my artistic work.

I think it would work as a situation comedy which highlights the potentially funny situations we have to go through when transitioning and which makes fun of some of the adverse reactions.

For example I tell people of the time I was knocked off my mountain bike by a car on a busy road in London. I was wearing implants at the time. After I landed I checked myself over and discovered that only the left implant stayed in my bra. I look up and a black taxi driver is walking towards me holding the other implant in his hand. 'I think this could be your's,' he said.

'Thank you,' I replied, 'Now I guess this means you know what it means to be feeling a right tit.' This brought laughter.

I think something along these lines would work and help raise public awareness about what we have to go through on a daily basis.

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