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Started by rexyrex, May 13, 2013, 05:41:08 PM

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rexyrex

Im curious, i want to be stealth when i start a job or have interviews, but i know i well have alot of appointments from having blood test and going to a therapy and the T check up. Im sure it wont be while every few months. And soon one day i will have some surgery done too.

But would like to know how did you cope with work and appointments, was work ok with you taking some days off for them, or do you go back after and make up the lost time?

Also do you mention it when having the interview or was it mention in the cv. Thanks





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Started Testosterone: 2013
Top surgery: 2014
Bottom surgery: 2016
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AdamMLP

I wouldn't mention it in a CV or interview, especially not a CV.  The job of a CV is to get you an interview, and they sift through stacks of them to narrow it down enough for the shortlist to interview, and anything will be enough for them to throw it out, in some companies it's something just as simple as poor grammar, or not addressing it to a specific person.  Stating in there that you're going to be off work for certain portions of time is going to be a complete "no" regardless of the rest of your CV if they've got loads more potential candidates who aren't asking for time off.

The interview is less of a complete no for me, but I would still really hesitate to bring it up then either.  Maybe at the end when they ask if you have any questions for them ask what their policy is for doctors appointments, and whether holiday has to be booked out of your allowance for those.  Some companies, particularly the big ones, realise that people have to have time off work for appointments, my mother's company paid her for the day she didn't go in due to having an x-ray done, and her boss frequently has time off work for chemo.

Personally I'm not giving any future employers the slightest hint that I'm trans until after they say they want me.  In the case of the job I desperately want I'll probably bring it up after being told I have the job, but before the medical in case it comes up in notes from my GP.  Anti-discrimination laws, and the companies own policies should protect me then.
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Arch

I've never taken time off from work for medical appointments, and I transitioned on one of the jobs I currently hold. I worked another job part-time for a year, but I was stealth. Now I'm teaching at a second school, and I'm stealth there, too.

However, I would not put "I'm trans" in a CV. Maybe your profession has different standards for CVs?
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randomroads

QuoteI've never taken time off from work for medical appointments

How did you manage that? You must work a varied schedule? It was easy for me to request that I didn't work on certain days for legit reasons when I worked house keeping at the hotel and that didn't count as 'time off' since it was technically my weekend.
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Arch

Quote from: randomroads on May 13, 2013, 11:19:57 PM
How did you manage that? You must work a varied schedule? It was easy for me to request that I didn't work on certain days for legit reasons when I worked house keeping at the hotel and that didn't count as 'time off' since it was technically my weekend.

When I was working in industry and needed to make a doctor's appointment (not trans-related), I simply scheduled around work. Day shifts would end somewhere from 2:30 to 3:30, depending on the job. So I would make late afternoon appointments. Punch out and zoom off to the doc. When I worked the night shift, appointments were even easier to schedule.

I do have a pretty open schedule now. I used to see the endo on Fridays (I rarely teach on Fridays). Now I go to the trans clinic, and it's open in the evening two days a week. It's actually difficult for me to schedule that because I usually do teach on those evenings, so I have to go during breaks from school.

P.S. When I was still a student, I usually had to take vacation days for final exams. That was no fun on the quarter system because I got only two weeks of vacation but often had to reserve half of my vacation days just for exams. I tried to do half days whenever possible.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

"When all you have is a hammer . . ." --Anonymous carpenter
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rexyrex

Hm i would like to able to scheduled around work but it not easy when i have to have the blood test in the morning due to fasting. With theorpy i have to drive to get there and takes about 30 mins and could take me about 2 hours more or less on the day. With T is the same have to go to the same place to get check up and to able to get more T, but hopfuly oneday they will transfure that to my GP which is only down the road. Oh my GP isnt open at weekend so im not sure if that is the same for everyone else? If it was open at weekend it would have been alot easyer for me.

It is not just my trans it also my deaffness and my ashma which i will have to do check up on too.

@AlexanderC Thanks i wont metion it, i work in 2 volunteer place, one place didnt need to know and the other one i felt like i had to mention as they wanted the CRB check and didnt know how to deal with it then.
Started Testosterone: 2013
Top surgery: 2014
Bottom surgery: 2016
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FTMDiaries

+1 to what AlexanderC said about not mentioning it on your CV or in the early interviews. Really, it's nobody's business and even though the law says that employers can't discriminate against us, employers can and do use any reason they like to discriminate against people they don't want. But if you are going to transition on the job, your safest bet is to wait until after you have a written job offer and then tell the Personnel Department or your line manager that you're trans and may need time off for the occasional medical appointment. They will need to know this (and about your deafness) if you want to enjoy the protections offered by UK law.

My GIC seemed to think that all their patients are entitled to paid time off for appointments related to their transition. I'm not 100% sure that this is enforceable but there's a good chance that it would stand up in court. You see, gender reassignment is a Protected Characteristic under the Equality Act 2010, so they won't be allowed to refuse you time off for such appointments and you shouldn't suffer any detriment because of them (such as loss of pay or holiday). However, if there is a dispute you might have to take them to a Tribunal to assert your rights.

According to the Equality Act, your employer has to treat time off for medical appointments due to disability or gender reassignment in exactly the same way as they would treat time off for doctors' appointments attended by any of your colleagues for any reason. But since we have no universal entitlement to paid time off for such appointments, each company makes their own policies for such things. So the worst-case scenario is that if it's a rule that all staff have to 'clock out' for doctors' appointments or make up the time, chances are that your company will try to make you do the same.

If the company generally pays staff for time they take off for doctors' appointments, they'll have to pay you too. As long as the reason is related to gender reassignment or disability, you're covered by the Equality Act so they have to treat you the same as any colleague going for a routine medical appointment or operation. So my top tip would be to find out what their policy is for doctors' appointments, hospital stays etc. before you tell them you're trans. ;)

When I came out to my boss one of the first questions he asked was whether he'd have to pay me for time off for any medical appointments related to my transition; he was rather hoping I'd use up my holiday. So I said that according to my GIC I'm entitled to paid time off for any medical appointments related to my transition... but I reassured him by pointing out that (as you rightly say) there are generally a couple of months between appointments, and it's likely to be at least a year until I qualify for the first surgery, so this is a slow process with lots of gaps in between. He was worried that I'd be off work most of the time; he just needed reassurance that that wouldn't be the case.

Your deafness is a disability so it's also protected by the Equality Act. Again, you're entitled to time off for that in accordance with your company's policies on time off for medical appointments. I know this because I had a profoundly deaf colleague who took time off every week or so for his deafness-related appointments (speech therapy, etc.) - and the company had to pay him for that too.

Any time off for asthma would be treated the same as for any other doctor's appointment.

Here's the Equality Act in full: http://www.pfc.org.uk/pdf/Equality_Act_2010.pdf - it's worth read. Once you've downloaded it, search for the word 'gender' to see the protections to which you're entitled. Also look at the protections you get due to disability. ;)

Oh, and my GIC is so far away from work that it would be a 7-hour round trip from the office... so my employers have to pay me for a whole day off work so that I can attend my appointments.





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rexyrex

@FTMDiaries thanks for the information and the link. That really helps a lot lest i can stop worrying so much now.
Started Testosterone: 2013
Top surgery: 2014
Bottom surgery: 2016
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Nero

I agree with others that you never mention needing time off work or anything until you've secured the job.  And even then, I wouldn't mention it until you're ready to have surgery or whatever and need to schedule it.
You don't want to come off like a 'problem'. Plus mentioning it early on may make it seem like it's going to be a bigger deal than it is.

When you think about it, every worker has doctor appointments and things. Nobody mentions stuff like that in an interview.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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