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Started by Lesley_Roberta, April 19, 2013, 08:25:10 PM

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JulieC.

This has been my favorite thread to follow.   Thanks to all of you that have shared your lives, cultures and what it is like for you where you live.  It is so interesting for me.  I suddenly feel I know people all over the world.

Sylvannus...I take it you are on a student visa attending school in Australia?  Will you have to return to China some day?  And what will happen to you then?  I assume your parents would never give their permission for you to transition.  I really feel bad for you although I don't think your parents behavior is at all unique.  I've heard similar stories from transgender people living in the U.S. and elsewhere. What makes it worse is when they are joined by the whole community.  It leaves you nowhere to turn.  I do believe information and education will change every ones view on transgender eventually, but it will take time.   



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sylvannus

Quote from: JulieC. on April 27, 2013, 02:44:54 PM
This has been my favorite thread to follow.   Thanks to all of you that have shared your lives, cultures and what it is like for you where you live.  It is so interesting for me.  I suddenly feel I know people all over the world.

Sylvannus...I take it you are on a student visa attending school in Australia?  Will you have to return to China some day?  And what will happen to you then?  I assume your parents would never give their permission for you to transition.  I really feel bad for you although I don't think your parents behavior is at all unique.  I've heard similar stories from transgender people living in the U.S. and elsewhere. What makes it worse is when they are joined by the whole community.  It leaves you nowhere to turn.  I do believe information and education will change every ones view on transgender eventually, but it will take time.

Yes, I am a PhD student in Medicine (well, I am not a pharmacist, not a clinical doctor). Because I am not on the Chinese national scholarship (CSC), I will not have to head back upon graduation. However, I am not sure if I can find a job and immigrate, either. I will try, but immigration is always difficult.

If I fail and head back to China, I will avoid going to my birth city, Wuxi, where too many people know me. Local companies, institutes and schools will definitely not accept me. I might seek a position in foreign companies. But this is not easy, either, as transsexualism is considered a defect, a bad personality with negative effects on the company's social reputation (to understand this, although the heads of foreign companies are from US or Europe, the HR and managers are native, and they are the ones who are in charge of specific matters).

Otherwise, find a way to work at home, like what some TG folks are already doing, translating English files or drafting university application documents for those who are unable to write their own CV or personal statement but want to study in US. These work don't need to meet people, which makes the employer feel safe for the "negative effects on the employer's social reputation".

After that... Perhaps wander around and try to find a TG-friendly local employer by luck? Among the people who I know, one girl has found a good local employer and works as a cashier, but none of the others could. The last possibility is nightclubs; I am reluctant to think about that.

Alternatively, I could cut my hair and wear men's clothes and work as a man, like what X.XT. has been doing for 4 years. I will not think about it before I definitely have to.
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barbie

As I am married, the doctor said to me that he will give prescription for HRT if I visit his office with my wife. I simply did not, although that was a personal recommendation of the doctor. I guess he requested it, because he probably got a lot of complaints and even legal sues by the wives of m2f people who underwent HRT by him without their approval. The doctor is the most famous SRS physician in Korea, and his most successful patient is Ha Ri Su.

Technically, Korean law requires that transsexual people should be divorced legally before SRS. This is just a document of official divorce, and transsexual people can anyway maintain their family union regardless of the law, if they wish and agree.

Like other countries, there are many things beyond the law, and those things can be more important than the law de facto.

Young people are more accepting compared with old generations. Those people who ask me such classical questions like "what does your wife think about it?", "how about your parents?", "how about your kids?" are always aged people. Young people never ask that kind of question. Also, educated people tend to be more careful in questioning, regardless of age. Most aged people do not tell between gay and transgender.

As I teach in a university, my long hairs can be an issue. When interviewing for the position here, one guy asked me about it. Legally, long hair can not be a factor in qualifying job candidates. But they can find other excuses, if they indeed do not want the candidate. In contrast to the aged professors here, the students here do not care about my long hair or other feminine stuffs. Some professors sometimes mentioned my long hair, recommending me to tie my hair, at least during a kind of official events. Those complains from aged faculty members now nearly disappeared, as they become accustomed to my long hairs. I have never worn skirts in the campus, but my colleagues know very well that I sometimes wear skirts.

Once, a kind of reality TV show here broadcast about several volunteered m2f transsexual people who undergo SRS. The term transgender nearly equals to entertainment here. I heard that there are several thousand transsexual people here in S. Korea who underwent SRS and changed their legal gender and name, but most of them just disappear from the radar of media reports. They keep their own life quietly. Exceptional is a few entertaining stars like Ha Ri Su.

As I teach and research well in my work place and sustain my family well, nobody can dare to find fault with my own unique life style. A few ignorant people did do, but I just quietly reminded them of the salary difference between them and me. The incomes of those people are usually far below than the average here.

In any society, your power (i.e., social and political) determines the limit of what you can do. Even power can change the law. Without enough power, then adjust your limit and negotiate your desire with the social limits. Sometimes money can buy power, but not always. This is my opinion on any captialistic society.

barbie~~
Just do it.
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sylvannus

My mother has sent me another sad story of a transgender singer committed suicide in 2007 because of discrimination. Her suicide note was:

"我曾经以为,我变了性,就可以改变我的人生,可是变完性以后,却被人当动物看......中国的变性人不只一个人,可能每个人都像我一样,正在承受着不幸。为什么人们一但知道了你的变性身份,就会歧视你呢。我老老实实的做人,却要被人当动物一样围观。"

{Translation: "I used to think, if I change to my desired sex, I can thus change my life. However, after my sex change, I was immediately discriminated like an animal rather than a human being... There are many more transsexuals besides me in China, and perhaps all of them are suffering just like me. Why people immediately turn to discrimination against you as soon as knowing your transgender past? I am always an honest human being, yet I am constantly surrounded and watched like an animal."}
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spacial

sylvannus

There are many reasons for people to end their lives. post transition people do as well as those of us who don't.

It's sad about this woman. But the reality is, there are 7 billion people on this planet we could find almost any example of almost anything to demonstrate a pro or a con.

It's your life. It's once. Live it or loose it.
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sylvannus

Quote from: spacial on April 28, 2013, 06:07:56 AM
sylvannus

There are many reasons for people to end their lives. post transition people do as well as those of us who don't.

It's sad about this woman. But the reality is, there are 7 billion people on this planet we could find almost any example of almost anything to demonstrate a pro or a con.

It's your life. It's once. Live it or loose it.

Thank you. I am very determined on my transition and I feel I can pay everything for it. However I am feeling increasingly sad, worried, depressed, and anxious for the future as I learn more people's stories - although it doesn't change my determination.
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barbie

Quote from: sylvannus on April 28, 2013, 10:17:58 AM
Thank you. I am very determined on my transition and I feel I can pay everything for it. However I am feeling increasingly sad, worried, depressed, and anxious for the future as I learn more people's stories - although it doesn't change my determination.

sylvannus,

IMO, you have better be very careful in planning transition. I believe economic conditions and permanent job to sustain oneself should be established, or at least planned, before transition. I can afford to transition, but I do not for my lovely kids and wife.

Barbie~~
Just do it.
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Anatta

Quote from: sylvannus on April 28, 2013, 10:17:58 AM
Thank you. I am very determined on my transition and I feel I can pay everything for it. However I am feeling increasingly sad, worried, depressed, and anxious for the future as I learn more people's stories - although it doesn't change my determination.

Kia Ora Sylvannus,

Other people's stories are 'other' people's stories...They are not your 'personal' story...

Don't drag past bad experiences into your future...

In Taoism [or Daoism as some like to spell it] there's an old saying that goes something like this: "If you want to find more fulfilment in life-you should want more of what you 'already' have and not of what you don't have ! "

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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spacial

Quote from: sylvannus on April 28, 2013, 10:17:58 AM
Thank you. I am very determined on my transition and I feel I can pay everything for it. However I am feeling increasingly sad, worried, depressed, and anxious for the future as I learn more people's stories - although it doesn't change my determination.

I think you'll make it.


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