Screwing With Gender Norms

[LocustToybox]

I love the idea of screwing with the binary. Even though I'm FTM, I love the idea of going out in dresses when I can fully pass with a deep voice and beard. It's somewhat liberating in my opinion. Of course, I'd never do that now as I'm kinda forced to conform to gender roles in order to pass, but I look forward to the day when I will have this freedom. Do any of you guys want to do drag or otherwise mess with gender norms once you are able to pass completely? Maybe it is just because I am eccentric, but I find the thought to be immensely appealing.

[LocustToybox]

Hmm, I like your philosophy about genderlessness in infancy and society having a gender disorder. 

[LocustToybox]

Eh, different strokes for different folks. I suppose doing drag is easier for transmen, but I have found that sometimes you can use make up to both feminize yourself while looking like you are trying to masculinize yourself and vice versa. Drag isn't about looking like the opposite gender, it's about looking like your actual gender with a cover of a flamboyant opposite gender appearance. For example, while I have yet to get on testosterone and I have a very feminine face, when I do drag, I purposefully use makeup to make my face look more masculine before I add the other make up.
I can see why it would be more difficult to feminize your face if you didn't already have a feminine shaped face. Though, I must say, you are very pretty and feminine looking

[Beth Andrea]

My basic personality isn't about screwing around with people. I am who I am, and if I want to wear a dress while sporting a 5 o'clock shadow, then I do that for me, not to mess with people's minds.

(I have other ways of doing that, if I wish LOL)

[LocustToybox]

I would rather screw with people in ways that have nothing to do with gender.

Oh, I enjoy doing that as well. 

[Nero]

Well, no dresses for me.  But I probably do stuff most guys around here don't do, such as highlight my hair (it does a lot for my complexion, especially since my hair seemed to darken on T), wear purple, stuff like that. I probably would have bought blue eyeglass frames if they had had any in the men's section. Tried on some in the women's (despite the looks I got), but my head's just too big. I just like color, I guess. Oh, and I've been tempted to cover up a zit with makeup before.

[Ltl89]

Not at all.  Once I pass, that is it.  It is time for me to live as any other woman and relish in that fact.  However, I do think it's cool for you to do that if that's what you want.  We all have different taste.

I suppose I do break some gender stereotypes though.  It's not the same thing as your topic, but somewhat related.  For example, I love playing video games, practicing classical guitar and listening to prog rock/metal.  While there are girls who do the same, they are typically associated as more male activities for good or for bad.  So, in that way I screw with norms.

Well, no dresses for me.  But I probably do stuff most guys around here don't do, such as highlight my hair (it does a lot for my complexion, especially since my hair seemed to darken on T), wear purple, stuff like that. I probably would have bought blue eyeglass frames if they had had any in the men's section. Tried on some in the women's (despite the looks I got), but my head's just too big. I just like color, I guess. Oh, and I've been tempted to cover up a zit with makeup before.

I have known men who occasionally put on makeup.  I think it is more common then we expect.  And I didn't know purple was considered an unmasculine color.  So much for me trying to hide things about myself,lol.  In any event, I love purple and  must encourage more men to wear it. 

[ParadigmCrime]

I do it off and on.  Sometimes I get on a kick for a bit.  Then other times not so much.

As someone who has done acting (in a professional haunted house), is where I did it the most.   My favorite is during halloween, my favorite character is a clown I have developed over the years who has a questionable gender.  Among some offensive attitudes.  Often I will be looking like a cute clown girl, and then respond to people in a very deep voice.. bwhahaha.. October is my favorite month to screw with gender assumptions.  (In either direction).  I am naturally fairly androgynous looking, passing is more a matter of giving off more gender cues for one or the other.

I live in a very low population density area.  Everyone who lives here (small town stuff) Im pretty sure is completely confused by me, since they deal with me on a day to day basis.  They also see me with both genders over the years.  A few people are brave enough to ask me directly.  Most people try and ask people who are close to me when im not around.  My friends always say "Why dont you ask her, she will tell you in full detail".  Unless Im feeling extra snarky... then I might say "Only one way to find out", and give a wink.

[Edge]

My basic personality isn't about screwing around with people. I am who I am, and if I want to wear a dress while sporting a 5 o'clock shadow, then I do that for me, not to mess with people's minds.

(I have other ways of doing that, if I wish LOL)

This. Personally, I don't want to screw with gender norms because I don't want gender norms to exist.

[Joanna Dark]

In fact, in reality there isn't such a stupid thing as GID existing, and no disorder either. It's all about not fitting into stupid binary but social gender-norms. If the norms would not be so silly, we all would much more enjoy a Life in between, as a third gender. If the norms would not be that brutal - there would not be any trans-related suidice either. It's the society which is having a disorder, not us.

I don't believe that gender is a social construct. From a very early age, way before gender roles start getting enforced, there is a noticeable difference between boys and girls. I knew I was MTF, or whatever I though it was, by age 5 as I soon as I could think. It is the first thing I remember. Somethings are contrutcted, makeup, clothes, etc. etc. But there is something much deeper that is in me then wanting to wear women's clothes. 

[ParadigmCrime]

I don't believe that gender is a social construct. From a very early age, way before gender roles start getting enforced, there is a noticeable difference between boys and girls. I knew I was MTF, or whatever I though it was, by age 5 as I soon as I could think. It is the first thing I remember. Somethings are contrutcted, makeup, clothes, etc. etc. But there is something much deeper that is in me then wanting to wear women's clothes.

I agree and disagree.  I only disagree, thats its no black and white, or binary.  Its far deeper and complicated.  People can come up with 3 4 5 or more genders.  I think the reality is there is male and female, androgyne sitting in the middle, being a 50/50 mix(there by making it a third gender).  People fall on either side, and in the middle.   You might be 60/40, it doesnt mean you should discount that 40 and classify you 1 or 0

I also feel androgyne can encompass a place and way of thinking that isnt even a mix, but unique unto itself.  I count three genders personally.  Everyone falling within their own -natural- mix, and society making up roles for the rest.

my 2 pesos

[Joanna Dark]

I should have pointed-out better that the BINARY gender-system is a social construct. Because 2,500 years ago, people still knew that there are more than only 2 genders. You may wanna read the Gilgamesh, which is actually older than the oldest book that we know in the west.

Oh ok. I understand better. And I'll def check out Gilgamesh. I love reading books from ancient times.

[Adam (birkin)]

This. Personally, I don't want to screw with gender norms because I don't want gender norms to exist.

This is exactly how I feel as well. I don't think gender norms, and the conformity to or deviance from said norms, should be a big deal at all. It is what it is.

[AdamMLP]

I wouldn't do it because I want to throw up at the thought of wearing female clothes other than for work, because at work I'm not really me anyway, I'm just putting on this mask that's happy to see people when in reality I'm wishing they'd just thrown something into a pan at home instead.

I have no interest in messing with gender norms either.  I can see why people want to, and how it's beneficial for society and feminism, but it's not me.  While I'd love to make society a better place I can't live my entire life doing something I'm not just to possibly contribute to it.

[DanaRSS]

My basic personality isn't about screwing around with people. I am who I am, and if I want to wear a dress while sporting a 5 o'clock shadow, then I do that for me, not to mess with people's minds.

Same for me...the way I look sometimes messes with people's expectations of gender, but it's an unintended side effect of living in the only way that feels correct and normal to me.  If I could stop doing things that challenge gender roles and still feel like a complete person, I would.

If I'm around a lot of queer-leaning people, like in a genderqueer social group, I might feel more free to wear combinations of clothes that I think look good on me, but that I would avoid normally to not call more attention to myself.  But even then, the gender->-bleeped-<- part of it isn't the point; I'm just wearing an outfit I happen to like that would make me self-conscious in a less accepting space.

[Natkat]

I used to be dressed pretty boyish in general but looking forward to the time where I would pass as male so I could dress more femenine and do drag stuff without being considered a girl but considered a man in drag or a guy who screw gendernorms.

yet, now I still find it difficult to get out of the schell, it became somehow obvious im just a guy, and guys dont really like to wear pink bla bla bla.. so its not so easy as I expected even when I have started to use abit of make up and such things once in a while not to mention theres also a physical challenging since I dont really fit girlshoes, and certain female clothing and such things.

I have alot of friends who dont mind the genderoles and just do whatever they like, I admire them for how brave they are, and I think it really take guts in a world like this to do that.