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Pentagon recognizes transgender service members for first time in 'symbolic' mov

Started by Natasha, May 16, 2013, 10:24:29 PM

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Pentagon recognizes transgender service members for first time in 'symbolic' move for LGBT community

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325737/Autumn-Sandeen-Pentagon-recognizes-transgender-service-members-time-symbolic-LGBT-community.html
5/16/13
Helen Pow

The Pentagon for the first time has officially recognized transgender service members in a significant step being hailed by the LGBT community.

The acknowledgement came in the form of a letter to veteran and transgender activist Autumn Sandeen confirming that the Navy had updated its records to show she is a woman.

While still a long way from open transgender service in the military, OutServe-SLDN, an organization for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender service members and their families labeled the move 'symbolic.'

The letter from the Navy official, dated May 2, read: 'Per your request the Defense Enrollment Eligibility Reporting System (DEERS) has been updated to show your gender as female effective April 12, 2013.'
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Devlyn

Little steps will complete the journey. Thanks for posting this, hugs, Devlyn
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Michelle-G

I don't want to be a buzzkill, but this seems to be nothing significant.

When I retired from the Army a year ago my name was changed in military and DEERS records to reflect my new name, but my gender remained male (despite my court-ordered name change saying otherwise).  When I asked why I couldn't change my gender I was told that I could, after I had GRS and my birth certificate was changed.

OK, so they have more stringent requirements than US Department of State does for passports, but it's still not such a struggle to get it done assuming that you're going to have GRS.

In all other respects I'm female as far as the Department of Defense is concerned.  I get called "ma'am" everywhere, nobody regards me as anything other than a woman despite this administrative detail and by policy everyone is careful to use the correct name and pronouns.

I'm not seeing the need for a headline here.
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Ltl89

Quote from: Michelle-G on May 18, 2013, 09:35:52 AM
I don't want to be a buzzkill, but this seems to be nothing significant.

When I retired from the Army a year ago my name was changed in military and DEERS records to reflect my new name, but my gender remained male (despite my court-ordered name change saying otherwise).  When I asked why I couldn't change my gender I was told that I could, after I had GRS and my birth certificate was changed.

OK, so they have more stringent requirements than US Department of State does for passports, but it's still not such a struggle to get it done assuming that you're going to have GRS.

In all other respects I'm female as far as the Department of Defense is concerned.  I get called "ma'am" everywhere, nobody regards me as anything other than a woman despite this administrative detail and by policy everyone is careful to use the correct name and pronouns.

I'm not seeing the need for a headline here.

I respectfully disagree.  Not everyone is going to go through SRS and it is unfair to label them as male because of that fact.  Yes, it is just a small administrative detail, but it is insulting and hurtful to those who are transitioned and live as female in every aspect of their lives.  Why should they be discriminated against because they haven't had the surgery? I get having standards, but I think going through hrt, living full time, and changing your name is enough proof that you are living as your gender and you are what you identify as. 
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Jess42

Quote from: learningtolive on May 18, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
I respectfully disagree.  Not everyone is going to go through SRS and it is unfair to label them as male because of that fact.  Yes, it is just a small administrative detail, but it is insulting and hurtful to those who are transitioned and live as female in every aspect of their lives.  Why should they be discriminated against because they haven't had the surgery? I get having standards, but I think going through hrt, living full time, and changing your name is enough proof that you are living as your gender and you are what you identify as.

Bravo, learningtolive. You are 100% correct in my opinion. Whether you have an outie or an innie shouldn't really matter if you are living as a female and jumped through all the hoops to get there.
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Michelle-G

Quote from: learningtolive on May 18, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
I respectfully disagree.  Not everyone is going to go through SRS and it is unfair to label them as male because of that fact. 

Oh, I get that, and that thought occurred to me as soon as I hit the "post" button.  But here's my question:  Where's the discrimination?

As I said earlier, as far as the military's treatment of veterans goes if you identify as female you get called female.  The correct pronouns are used; they call me "ma'am" and use my proper name, which does get changed in records at my request, as it should.  I still get my retirement pay sent to my bank under my proper name.  My medical care is correct; nobody denies me anything because there's still an "M" in a data field somewhere.

And this extends to the VA.  All that stuff I just said holds there, AND my gender marker is correct. I get my hormone treatments, psychotherapy and even voice therapy.

And all of this happened without any sort of surgery on my part.

I'm a retired Army officer.  I just left the service a year ago.  Making my transition to a life as a retired veteran really hasn't been the struggle depicted in this article.  Let's break this down:

"Advocates claim the move is a 'symbolic' step in the fight for transgender people to be allowed to serve openly in the military"

Hardly.  Military medical regulations don't permit trans folks to serve.  THAT is the struggle that needs to be fought!

"The Pentagon for the first time has officially recognized transgender service members in a significant step being hailed by the LGBT community."

Nonsense.  This is hardly the first time; they do it all the time when people get the proper forms filled out. They did it for me a year ago.

"The acknowledgement came in the form of a letter to veteran and transgender activist Autumn Sandeen confirming that the Navy had updated its records to show she is a woman."

. . . and the article goes on to say

"The letter from the Navy official, dated May 2, read: 'Per your request the Defense Enrollment Eligibility Reporting System (DEERS) has been updated to show your gender as female effective April 12, 2013.'"

They updated a data field in her pay records.  Big deal.  This isn't any sort of civil rights victory.  She merely got some paperwork done.

"Sandeen's military identification card now reflects the change."

I just looked at my ID card.  There is no gender marker on it.

Whether we like it or not, transition involves lots of paperwork to make things legal.  Some paperwork tasks are more time consuming than others.  But "finally" getting this done isn't anything newsworthy. 

I'm all for progress on trans issues but we have real problems, such as employment and housing discrimination, violence towards trans people that is practically sanctioned when authorities fail to prosecute, even the inability to safely use a public bathroom.  It might be helpful to celebrate real victories in these areas.  Getting some paperwork done just doesn't matter enough to count as a victory, especially when failure to do so has no negative consequences.

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Ltl89

I totally agree that their are more important things to get done, but I don't think this deserves to be diminished because of that fact.  Progress is progress.   Discrimination doesn't need to be overt or hostile.  Labeling somebody contrary to the gender they are is discriminating even if it is a small detail.  I'm glad it isn't hurtful to you, but it may be to others out there.  If it doesn't really affect anything, then why didn't they change sooner so there was no problem to begin with? 

That said, I do believe there are much more relevant issues to tackle and share those sentiments. 
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Michelle-G

Quote from: learningtolive on May 18, 2013, 12:28:43 PMI totally agree that their are more important things to get done, but I don't think this deserves to be diminished because of that fact.  Progress is progress.   

Oh, no doubt!  But the article is making this sound like the March to Selma, and it just isn't.  This is along the lines of getting your correct name on your driver's license (well, actually it's much less significant).  If getting my name changed on my license is such a great step forward now, then what was it for the hundreds of other trans people who have already done it?

Quote from: learningtolive on May 18, 2013, 12:28:43 PMIf it doesn't really affect anything, then why didn't they change sooner so there was no problem to begin with? 

That's my whole point.  This policy just didn't change this month.  The thing she got done in May I had done in May of last year.  The process has been in effect for a while now.  She just got her stuff done and since OutServe-SLDN needs to issue press releases to show that they are relevant we're hearing about it, and they're making it sound like this is a huge step forward.

Can't blame them, they need to justify the donations they receive, so they'll make this sound as important as possible because they know that most of the people who read the story will think this is a major blow for trans justice.  But I feel like we're being played.  It's just getting some paperwork done, that's all.

Quote from: learningtolive on May 18, 2013, 12:28:43 PMThat said, I do believe there are much more relevant issues to tackle and share those sentiments.

I'm glad that we have common ground!
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Dark.Knight

Thats huge. Small but big. I wish I could serve in my countries Air Force
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