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Started by SkyCakeLight, May 22, 2013, 03:31:51 PM

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SkyCakeLight

Hello lovelies!!  :D.  Haven't posted in forever!

To the point! I'm currently serving as an active duty Marine. My LT recently spoke to me about joining the CIA Clandestine department. So, I decided to at least research it! I'm currently planning on getting out the USMC and start HRT for mtf. Possibly Med Sep for GID (Gender Idinity Disorder). I think it's a blessing, not a disorder! But! Would I be able to join CIA and do HRT? I know they don't descriminate, but I want to know about joining the Clandestine department. Any info on this? I've poor luck with Google.

Personally, I think a transgender spy would be a great asset. Thoughts please! Also, personal opinions and impacts on life would be great! Thanks, beautifuls!
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Brooke777

First, I strongly adviise you to not post about this. You will ruin any chance of getting in.

Second, no government agency will discriminate against you for being trans.
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peky

Quote from: Brooke777 on May 22, 2013, 04:40:03 PM
First, I strongly adviise you to not post about this. You will ruin any chance of getting in.

Second, no government agency will discriminate against you for being trans.

Do not be afraid to post about..it will not ruin anything

Check out the link below, specially for you ...courtesy of the shadow warrior....LOL
https://www.cia.gov/careers/opportunities/clandestine/
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SkyCakeLight

Well, I'm not a private, but like the "nickname"! Haha!

I do speak another language! Woo! Working on a college degree! Sucks, haha. Totally worth it though! Or, will be. Other stuff.

I understand the qualifications and all. It was just something that my LT brought up, so decided to check it out. My heart definitely is not set on it. Not saying it won't ever be, it's just a new consideration. Life has so many possibilities, like to research as many as possible.

Thank you for your reply! I'll continue to research when I can after they release me!
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spacial

Part of peky's charm is her directness, But you seem to have seen the humour.

I know nothing about the CIA. But I would think the only security concern would be if someone were to be at risk as a result of any condition or treatment they are or are not receiving.

But it seems to me that this is the sort of question that should be directed at potential employers.

Having said that, if you don't, at least tell them then I would have thought it may come under the category of a pre-existing condition and perhaps lead to problems.

Again, a potential employer would be the people to ask.
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Jaimie

I was interviewed by a CIA recruiter in 2004. He told me that the CIA did not currently have any transsexual members that he was aware of but there were no regulations that prohibited the CIA from hiring a transsexual person. I was told that there weren't any job openings suitable for my qualifications and that I should apply again at the beginning of the fiscal year. I never reapplied.
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tomthom

I remember reading a while back they actually wanted people to train some of their operatives to crossdress/voice training as another technique.
"You must see with eyes unclouded by hate. See the good in that which is evil, and the evil in that which is good. Pledge yourself to neither side, but vow instead to preserve the balance that exists between the two."
― Hayao Miyazaki
Practicality dominates me. I can be a bit harsh, but I mean well.
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Lisa55

Quote from: peky on May 22, 2013, 04:46:44 PM
Do not be afraid to post about..it will not ruin anything


Its not the being trans that will ruin it, its the discussing in public your involvement in sensitive work that will ruin it.  The first rule of security clearance is you don't discuss your work or what your security clearance is, even to the point it has been suggested not to include your security clearance status on your CV.

As for being trans and security clearance I assume it would be the same in the US, its all about honesty.  If your transitioning and out, there should be no issue, if your in the closet either before transition or stealth after then its about honesty, so you cant really be stealth as you will have to disclose (even if its sensitively handled) Failure to disclose will be seen as a threat to your clearance as it can be used against you. If your honest about your status then there is nothing to hold over you.
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JessicaH

Most CIA jobs are boring desk jobs doing research or crunching data.  It's not the best pay and they do EXTENSIVE background checks and talk to a lot of people. If they turn up anything you didn't disclose or that information that would make you vulnerable to blackmail, you are out. Not a job that would interest me.
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Sammy

JessicaH pretty much nailed it down. I have not had any contacts with the CIA, because I am not from the States and I dont work in the state security agency, but I have a bit of knowledge of that kitchen (dont ask me how). If You feel thrilled by the job itself - it is possibly the testosterone kicking in Your blood - transition might cool it down a bit. There is nothing romantic and there is no "adventure" involved, usually. A lot of information analysis, forecasts, cross-referencing, database searching - which means "paperwork". Probably not the type of job You are used to be doing in the Army, ne c'est pas? In addition, You will have big difficulty IF You will try to change Your job, because You will have quite a specific area of expertise which wont be of much use for the private company, plus You will committing a federal crime if You will share any information about Your previous employment with the agency. Which pretty much limits Your employment opportunities... And they will be keeping an eye on You even if You would be just a former employee. That job just leaves its imprints.. Are You already quite cynical from being in the forces? If not, expect Your personal traits getting even worse while being in the agency - You will become much more pragmatic, cynical, less emotional (uh uh! and lets remember about hormones here...), ruthless and paranoid :P
And trust me, if they will dig deep enough, they will find out about You being TS - and in case of their potential employee.. they will dig VERY deep. So You better be open about this, especially since this fact can be used to blackmail You if You are in closet.
State security agencies are quite a masculine environment and Your career advancement might be hindered with the fact of You being TS - but, once again, I stand to be corrected here in respect of the CIA, maybe they are more open...but in the essence they are all the same.
There were times, when I was really thinking about such career - even if it is paperworks - because You really get to know how things work and why do events happen, as well affecting them happen :P, but not anymore, Right now, if I would be invited, most probably I would decline such an offer, and mostly for the reasons of my transition.



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Lisa55

I think Sammy and Jessica said in a much better way than I managed, the problems of security clearance and being transgendered.  Not a problem if there are no secrets but hide anything and there will be problems.

However if the CIA don't want you, there may be vacancies over here as it would seem the UK security services have been doing it for years

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/the-spy-who-crossdressed--churchill-s-boozy-meeting-with-stalin-and-king-edward-viii-s-phone-bugged---secrets-revealed-094840279.html#TZOGZ6f
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Beth Andrea

Part of the problem with not being "out" is that increases the possibility of being blackmailed by other operatives.

Just fyi...and I wonder why you'd post questions like this on a TG support board...it's not like there's very many 007 types here...
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

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spacial

Quote from: Beth Andrea on May 23, 2013, 07:56:53 AM

Just fyi...and I wonder why you'd post questions like this on a TG support board...it's not like there's very many 007 types here...

That thought occured to me as well.

Frankly, I wouldn't really want to know anyone whose work involves reporting back on friends and family in case they might be enemies of the state!

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Joanna Dark

I hate to be a debbie downer but didn't the military just fight tooth and nail over allowing gay and lesbian peoples in? Given the CIA is filled with former military members, I think it could be a problem. I can't see you joining and transitioning. Follow your heart.
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JessicaH

Quote from: Beth Andrea on May 23, 2013, 07:56:53 AM

Just fyi...and I wonder why you'd post questions like this on a TG support board...it's not like there's very many 007 types here...

Hard to say though cause they wouldn't exactly advertise it....   :-)
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Dana_H

Some thoughts for anyone regarding sensitive government employment.

0. Be discreet. Don't publicly associate your real name with discussions of your present or future work in sensitive areas. If you have/get a clearance, talking about your work in public is a definite no-no. This is also commonly the case in the finance industry.

1. Make sure there is nothing about your life that could be used to blackmail you into revealing State Secrets. If there is, resolve it before applying for a security clearance. Note that being Trans is not necessarily a blackmail-able condition depending on your circumstances, but you will most likely need to disclose it eventually as part of obtaining/maintaining a security clearance. If it is a security concern, they may be able to suggest ways of mitigating the risk so that you qualify for consideration.

2. Don't overdisclose. Answer their questions honestly and completely, but don't answer questions they haven't asked. That just gives you another chance to trip yourself up. Unless they ask about your driving history, they probably don't care about your last speeding ticket.

3. When filling out paperwork, keep in mind that they will attempt to verify the info you provide. If you leave anything out, embellish the truth, or outright lie, they will notice. Be honest. If something about your current life does not match your public records and might flag as a discrepancy, be prepared to explain/clarify. For example, if your driver license shows you with a female gender marker and your birth records still flag you as male, you may need to clarify "Assigned male gender at birth but currently identifying as and living as female." Clarify on the form itself if a place is provided for comments. If you are unclear about how to enter a piece of information, ask.

4. Government agencies can not discriminate based on your GID, presentation, etc. However, that does not mean *every* job opening will lend itself to being filled with a Trans applicant. Be open to multiple job possibilities.

5. If you have any questions about how something may affect your chances of employment or of qualifying for any required security clearance, don't be afraid to ask. The way the government sees it, they would rather have you disclose things *before* they hire you than after. Things you disclose can usually be mitigated somehow. They get really upset when they find out something about you after you are hired that you didn't tell them about; it makes you look untrustworthy. It's better to blow your shot at the job by being honest than to win the position and then end up in prison for obtaining a clearance "under false pretenses".

6. If you have shaky credit or debt problems, get your credit history into the best shape you can; excessive debt may disqualify you from employment and/or clearance.

With all that in mind, best of luck to you if you decide to pursue such a career.
Call me Dana. Call me Cait. Call me Kat. Just don't call me late for dinner.
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