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Started by Rabbit, May 27, 2013, 10:13:44 PM

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Ltl89

Quote from: Jamie D on May 27, 2013, 11:59:19 PM
I am old enough to remember seeing "Amos and Andy" re-runs on television.  It was a show full of bigoted humor and streotypes.  There were many parents to taught their kids that "negros" were sub-human, dumb, lazy, and so on.

Then an interesting thing happened.  Desilu studios, in 1965, cast a young black man in one of the two lead roles of a action series called "I Spy."  The actor was an aspiring comedian, but the role was of a brave, articulate, Rhodes scholar, who spoke several language.  Race was never an issue.  The actor who played opposite of Robert Culp was Bill Cosby.

The show was not shown in some parts of the USA.  Small minds will always be closed, but the showed opened the eyes of many in the younger, baby-boomer generation.  I was one of them.

Many of you are too young to have seen, or even recognize, the cultural revolution this nation has been through.  Not just with racial minorities, but with women's rights, gay and lesbian rights, personal freedoms, and all sorts of other advances.  The job's not over.  But every time the spotlight is put on in equalities, positive changes will happen.

It is a matter of winning hearts and minds.  Building bridges instead of walls.

You might be talking about a cartoon in the topic.  But I am seeing a new bridge be built.



Media can have a profound impact.  Yet this show doesn't seem to be targeting the transgender community.  I don't really think people will associate the shezow character as a transperson or our struggles.  It's sort of like an underdog kind of thing.  The shezow character is a alternative identity.  Most people who see the show won't even think about the transgender community.  If the character was trans that would be one thing, but that isn't the case.  So, I can't really see the case that this is building a bridge.  Still, I hope you're right.
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Jamie D

I am going to ask everyone in this topic to take a breather.

Also, I would like posters to be careful of their use of terms, especially those that could be considered derogatory by some.

"Redneck" is often used to describe people who are stereotypically poor, un- or under-educated, folks who live in the rural American south.  The name derives from those who had to work in the sun as laborers and often became sunburned.

"Hick," when used in that way, can be equally derogatory.

At the same time, I want everyone to respectfully consider the arguments being made for or against the cartoon show.  Just asking for a little civility, please.

:police:
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MaidofOrleans

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Quote from: kariann330 on May 27, 2013, 11:49:11 PM
Really....and here i thought this forum was a place we could come WITHOUT being offended or directly insulted as i have been by you. YES i am, YES i hate some people for reasons other then who they are, YES i STILL fly a Confederate flag and will until the day i take my last breath, YES i support the 2nd amendment to the Constitution Of The United States Of America...BUT I REFUSE to have any person insult me or use a word that i am PROUD to be considered ANYWHERE be it in person or on the internet!!!

I politely and respectfully ask you to retract your comment now!!!


Please, no name-calling

I'm sorry but you kind of scare me. :-\
"For transpeople, using the right pronoun is NOT simply a 'political correctness' issue. It's core to the entire struggle transpeople go through. Using the wrong pronoun means 'I don't recognize you as who you are.' It means 'I think you're confused, delusional, or mentally I'll.'. It means 'you're not important enough for me to acknowledge your struggle.'"
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TheLance

Trans people don't 'turn into' anything. We are who we are, our only transformation is in the sense of becoming ourselves fully, not becoming something we never were before. Or maybe I'm just nitpicking...I dunno.
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kariann330

Quote from: MaidofOrleans on May 28, 2013, 12:15:07 AM
I'm sorry but you kind of scare me. :-\

Sorry, i didn't mean to scare anyone....that word has become a very sore spot with me since i moved out of southern Tennessee to a state north of the Mason Dixon.
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Darkie

Quote from: kariann330 on May 28, 2013, 12:21:11 AM
Sorry, i didn't mean to scare anyone....that word has become a very sore spot with me since i moved out of southern Tennessee to a state north of the Mason Dixon.

I'm from 10 minutes from the home of John Deere, so trust me, I understand the redneck thing.  Maybe not to the same extent as you, but I am from Iowa.  We have corn.  And cows.  And some more corn.  On a side note, did you know that in the 70's in Iowa pigs outnumbered people 3 to 1?
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TheLance

I grew up in a little redneck town in south Alabama. I definitely know what redneck means in reality. Rednecks tend to be country folk that enjoy things like muddin, huntin, livin out in the country, etc. Hick has always represented folks that are missing a good amount of teeth and don't exactly live as nice as they could. But that's just where I'm from, it might be different for yall. (by the way, I don't consider myself any kind of redneck. I prefer 'southern gentlemen', so no one has to worry about offendin me there.)
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kariann330

Quote from: Darkie on May 28, 2013, 12:23:35 AM
I'm from 10 minutes from the home of John Deere, so trust me, I understand the redneck thing.  Maybe not to the same extent as you, but I am from Iowa.  We have corn.  And cows.  And some more corn.  On a side note, did you know that in the 70's in Iowa pigs outnumbered people 3 to 1?

Best dangon tractors ever....little known fact my home town of Hixton TN didn't get a traffic light until 1985 lol.

Sorry bout the off topic post.
I need a hero to save me now, i need a hero to save my life, a hero will save me just in time!!

"Don't bother running from a sniper, you will just die tired and sweaty"

Longest shot 2500yards, Savage 110BA 338 Lapua magnum, 15X scope, 10X magnifier. Bipod.
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Jamie D

Thank you Kariann, Lance, and Darkie.

Lets get back on topic, please, ladies and gentlemen.

v ("Kariann, you just wait 'til your father gets home!") v
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kariann330

Quote from: Jamie D on May 28, 2013, 12:40:12 AM
Thank you Kariann, Lance, and Darkie.

Lets get back on topic, please, ladies and gentlemen.

BUT MA, I DON'T WANNA *Coughs up a cloud of dust and Marlboro smoke*

Lol jk jk

But after watching a clip of the show, if it does air in the US i think it would be used for nothing more then a source for more jokes bout trans people.
I need a hero to save me now, i need a hero to save my life, a hero will save me just in time!!

"Don't bother running from a sniper, you will just die tired and sweaty"

Longest shot 2500yards, Savage 110BA 338 Lapua magnum, 15X scope, 10X magnifier. Bipod.
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Nicole

Quote from: Jamie D on May 28, 2013, 12:14:06 AM
I am going to ask everyone in this topic to take a breather.

Also, I would like posters to be careful of their use of terms, especially those that could be considered derogatory by some.

"Redneck" is often used to describe people who are stereotypically poor, un- or under-educated, folks who live in the rural American south.  The name derives from those who had to work in the sun as laborers and often became sunburned.

"Hick," when used in that way, can be equally derogatory.

At the same time, I want everyone to respectfully consider the arguments being made for or against the cartoon show.  Just asking for a little civility, please.

:police:

Sorry.

They're both words we use here in Australia to describe racists, sexists, homophobic or bigots. It has nothing to do we're anyone is from.

All which I'm fed up with in this day & age.
If she is upset by that term, sorry, but she didn't have to PM me with that rubbish threatening message.
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Kibate

#51
Hello
I have found this thread on google, as i like to see reactions from people about this show, and looked through most of the posts here. As there seems to be quite some misinformation about the Show i figured i should clear some things up.

(Even though i have registered only to talk about Shezow here, i am not unfamiliar with transgender community, let's just leave it as that as this is not the topic at hand)

I am myself a fan of the show, i have seen all the episodes which are available currently(the show aired previously on a channel in australia before the Hub even heard about it. But they stopped airing it after episode 8 without any notice why. However we all assume it is NOT because of complains, as they would mentioned anything about it by now, and they started to reair the episodes again.) and i have read a lot what the Creator himself said about the Show, so i know a fair bit about the show.

First things first
Shezow is not about transgender. It can be barely called "Crossdressing", because even though he is a guy dressed in women's clothes, he doesn't identify with it.(in that aspect, its more of a "costume")
He starts to identify a bit with the Superhero persona, but not with the female dressing aspect of it.
Even though the commercials say he becomes a girl, he does not(!), the creator himself confirmed it is just crossdressing, not genderbending, if the voice isn't a give away to you.
He does not identify with transgender, girls or crossdressing, he is just doing it because he has to. But he doesn't have a problem with it either.
At first he was against it, but not because he thinks transgender/crossdressers are sick, but because...he is a 12 year old boy, who identifies as a boy, in a female uniform. If you identify yourself as a girl, how would you feel if you have to wear a male schooluniform? Right, it's like that.
Since episode 2 the crossdressing thing is almost never being mentioned again, as it is not the focus of show...technically speaking.
The rare instances that mention it are 2:
-In one episode he dreams of playing in a football game, while still wearing the Shezow dress, and his friends wonder "Why are you wearing a dress?" he answers with "So what i am wearing a dress" and thats it
-In another episode, a friendly creature wonders "Since when is Shezow a boy? ... Not that there is anything wrong with it." again, that's it
So as you can see, it's almost never a topic of the show, not even played for laughs(aside the first episode for like 1 minute top), and if it is being mentioned, it's NOT seen as something stupid or funny.

As for sexism:
A lot of people complain that the Shezow costume(which was worn by female heroes prior to the protagonist of the show) is playing too much of a stereotype of a girl. You know, laserLIPSTICK, bommerrangBRUSH, superEYELASHES and so on. While that is true, the intention is not of mocking such things, but for appreciating it, it's being played for coolness, not for laughs. Also it is never implied all girls(or boys) should be like this, on the contrary, the female cast of the show all have different and unique personalities.
There is even one episode(which is not available yet, but some images got leaked with the creator himself talking about it) with a person form an parallel universe, which is a girl who gets a mans superhero uniform.
The creator even had a team of female co workers look over the script to avoid any accidentally provocation, to avoid the sexism card.

As you can see, it is just what it looks like, another random cartoon for kids.

Even the HUB himself has tested this Show on a possible audience to make sure it's safe.

If you have any questions regarding the show i will try to answer them.  I don't like the spreading of false information. (which as you can imagine happens a lot of the show)



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dentifrice

I'm found that funny =)
And it could be SOOOO cool having a ring to auto-make-up auto-dress auto-shave auto-everything in a second !
I want that ring...
;D


Seriously, trans-thing is a serious point for us and sometime media aren't helping people to understand well, sharing bad information or whatever...
But here, it's just a comics !
Some superhero change from guy to big green guy or change from guy to super insects or whatever while it's a super-whatever ! In this one is a super pink girl.
The main character has no gender issue and as a normal 12yrs old guy he feels weird being in a dress. Even me being a trans-gender sometime I feel weird wearing a dress.
No one make laugh of him (too much) and he is doing well in pink boots.

And girls, when we can laugh about something that means it's becoming more and more accepted as "not a big deal".
No one laugh about World War II and thousand people murdered... it's a too serious issue to laugh at.
People laugh about a guy wearing a pink dress in order to save the world... it's a funny hobby ^^

I really don't see the rudeness in this show. And I want this SHamazing-ring !
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Lisa55

Mixed feelings on this, as like many others I don't want to see our community laughed at. But lets be honest, some people are going to laugh at us no matter what, its not right, but at the moment we cant avoid that, but I would prefer a positive laughter than outright ridicule and hate, and hopefully when the laughter dies down we are a little more accepted, (that rarely happens with hate), You even see that in the Bevis and butthead over-commentary on the first episode posted by Jamie, it starts off as exactly what we don't want but turns into just poking fun like they would as any adult watching a child's cartoon without much reference to the boy/girl thing, and ends up actually quite positive. But in all honesty the feminists have more to complain about with the female stereotypes than we do, as the trans issue seems to be pretty much ignored. 

Whilst I can see some parents being against their child watching it I would hope the conversation goes more like

Parent - Don't watch that, its wrong that the boy dresses as a girl
Child - but mom, shezow is cool, she always beats the bad guy

or if in the streets.

Parent - Come here Jonnie away from that man wearing a dress, he's sick
Jonnie - What's wrong with him, is she like shezow, shezow's cool, she beats the baddies.

I know I would prefer to be seen as shezow than a weirdo, and on that note where can I get one of those rings
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muuu

#54
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dentifrice

Quote
But if you're interested in a transgender action/drama show, watch the series 'Hit & Miss'. It's great.

Hoo yes I watched it last month. It is great =)
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Ltl89

Maybe it's just me, but are we all over-thinking about this?  It really doesn't differ from other super hero cartoons where the character as an alter ego.  Yes, the alter ego wears female clothing, but that doesn't matter too much.  No one is going to laugh at us because of this nor are they going to become sympathetic to us.  It's like the band kiss and the glam rock era in music.  Did that really open or shut doors for the trans community?  No.  Because it had nothing to do with us.
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Kelly J. P.

 Whether this show is harmful to the community or not is almost a non-issue... Children and young teens have so much access to a variety of points of view these days, thanks to the Internet, and one show that barely got any airtime is a drop of mist from a spray bottle, at best. I think that we're being a little over-sensitive here (as we are often).

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Ltl89

Quote from: girl you look fierce on May 28, 2013, 11:18:30 AM
I don't know much about Kiss or Glam rock specifically but I think rock/music culture actually opened a lot of doors for trans people, because it gave MAAB people a place to express themselves without fear of a lot of judgments they would face anywhere else, no real pressure that says they're being too unmanly. A Pete Burns or a David Bowie would have had a hard time expressing themselves if they weren't musicians... Unfortunately it didn't carry over very well into everyday life....

This is different.... It's not a self-expression, it's not saying it's okay to be yourself, it's not really saying anything other than people think it's funny when men dress like women.

I don't really feel offended, it's just like, it's more of the same... ::)

Well, it's true that people could blend into the glam seen and get away with gender bending. But in the long term it did nothing to advance the trans community.

While the show is trying to be humorous, they don't do it in a malicious way.  Sometimes humour is a way to translate important messages.  How do we know the show won't make statements here and there about crossdressing and say it's okay to be yourself?  It might end up doing so.  I doubt it will have any impact either way, but it doesn't bother me.
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Kibate

Quote from: girl you look fierce on May 28, 2013, 10:20:46 AM
Mulan didn't have anything to do with gender identity.
...
Quote from: girl you look fierce on May 28, 2013, 10:20:46 AMAnd also (shezow) has nothing to do with gender identity
so it IS similar after all?

Also look at my previous post on page 3 for more information, but you got several facts wrong about Shezow.
QuoteShezow is just another round of LOL dude looks like a lady!! How embarrassing!!!
No, that does not happen, aside for like 1 minute of the first episode, max. He quickly stop complaining and it is never really being mentioned again, except for an instance where he defended his new look as a superheroin. The crossdressing is not played for laughts at all, but more like played for coolnes.
QuoteI guess unless he gets stuck as Shezow and has to live the rest of his life in the wrong body.
Yes, he get stuck for the rest of his live as Shezow, but its not a wrong body, it's just crossdressing, he still has a penis. And he has the nice option of just reverting back to being joe regular while not battling supervillians. In that aspect, he is not different than spiderman.
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