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Ribcage size?

Started by AlexisB, May 31, 2013, 03:57:39 PM

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Carrie Liz

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Seriously? You girls are really complaining about being 31"-34"? That's freaking small. The AVERAGE band size in this country is a 36, and that's on genetic females who are, on average, even shorter than you. Seriously. Count your blessings.

Me personally, I feel like I actually have something to complain about here, having a ribcage that measures 39". (Some of this is admittedly due to my weight, so I should lose an inch or two once I get down to my target weight, but my big upper-body is still one of my absolute biggest fears in regards to passability.)

I say this with the best of intentions... if you girls are complaining about having measurements that are below average for even cisgender women, especially given the biology that we have to fight against, you are holding yourself to WAY too high of a standard.
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Shantel

Quote from: Carrie Liz on June 01, 2013, 10:57:33 AM
Seriously? You girls are really complaining about being 31"? That's freaking small. The AVERAGE band size in this country is a 36, and that's on genetic females who are, on average, even shorter than you. Seriously. Count your blessings.

Me personally, I feel like I actually have something to complain about here, having a ribcage that measures 39". (Some of this is admittedly due to my weight, so I should lose an inch or two once I get down to my target weight, but my big upper-body is still one of my absolute biggest fears in regards to passability.)

I wouldn't let that get in your way Carrie, I don't know about these little gals here, but have you seen some of the cis women on an average day at the mall lately? If you want to feel good about your passibility possibilities do that for a day. You will be feeling good about yourself and sorry for a lot of them.
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MANDY GG

 I'm not complaining I am vary happy with my size.
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Theo

Quote from: kkut on June 01, 2013, 12:36:25 PM
My point?   Don't listen to the massive ripped guy at the gym. It'll only tick you off!

*nods vigorously* :)

We always are and were our own worst critics. I think one of the reasons why peoples' perceptions differ so much in areas such as these is that we are all trying to change: so whatever baseline we start off from, we want to move as far as possible away from it.

In brief moments of clarity I have to laugh at myself for worrying about my body shape, realistically speaking that part of me can already pass (ignoring the chest just above the underbust, that still needs a bit of growth ;)). Heck, I've had girls whom I'm not out to telling me they are envious of my figure, so I should darn well stop fussing; but even knowing that, and being aware of the twisted self-image we sometimes cultivate, I find myself looking in the mirror and thinking that my body still requires sooooooo much work. 'tis only human methinks, but heck can it be annoying.  :laugh:
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Jennygirl

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Joanna Dark

I (should) wear a 36B. That's what fits perfectly. My underbust is 32.5, my bust is 35.5.
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vegie271

Quote from: girl you look fierce on June 01, 2013, 01:43:03 PM
People are posting their underbust measurements not their band size... you add 4-5" to your underbust to get band size, it's a silly system but that's how it generally works. So a 31 underbust would be pretty average for a girl.

Edit: actually not entirely, it varies by your size (and happens to be 4-5 for me which is what it classically was), but yeah underbust measurement does not necessarily equal band size.



:)  thats a relief, just rechecked then, so I am 33", that is much better than 38" in comparison  ::)

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Just Shelly

Quote from: Joanna Dark on June 01, 2013, 02:16:41 PM
I (should) wear a 36B. That's what fits perfectly. My underbust is 32.5, my bust is 35.5.

No actually you would be a -1.5

You take the actual under bust measurement add 4 inches if even 5 if not and subtract that from the bust measurement.

Most trans will come up with a negative or a 1 if being honest.

My under bust actual measurement is 29 and my bust is 34 maybe 34.5.....if I take my actual measurement add 5....I would be a 34AAA.

Trans under breast measurements will always be larger no matter what size frame you are....A smaller framed cis girl my size would have an under bust of about 28 with possibly 34 to 35 bust making her a 32A or B.

Myself I can wear a 32C or a 34A

Most average cis girls are about a 29 or 30 even if they are larger framed....its just how they were made!!
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Joanna Dark

Quote from: Just Shelly on June 01, 2013, 03:06:18 PM
No actually you would be a -1.5

You take the actual under bust measurement add 4 inches if even 5 if not and subtract that from the bust measurement.

Most trans will come up with a negative or a 1 if being honest.

My under bust actual measurement is 29 and my bust is 34 maybe 34.5.....if I take my actual measurement add 5....I would be a 34AAA.

Trans under breast measurements will always be larger no matter what size frame you are....A smaller framed cis girl my size would have an under bust of about 28 with possibly 34 to 35 bust making her a 32A or B.

Myself I can wear a 32C or a 34A

Most average cis girls are about a 29 or 30 even if they are larger framed....its just how they were made!!

So I not only don't have boobs I have negative boobs lol I don't think so. Adding four inches is a relic of the 1920s when material to make bras was not elastic and they needed underwires. This is no longer the case. You add inches if you want to get a proper fit. I could wear a 34B or a 36B. It's just the 34B has a little bit of space left in it. But it is a crappy bra as well.

Moreover, read this: http://busts4justice.com/2011/06/09/bra-fitting-why-are-companies-still-adding-4/ or just google "add four inches" and see the one million web sites screaming NOOOOO in unison.

Also, technically you are a E cup. Underbust: 29. Bust: 34=E cup. That's a five inch difference between your underbust and bust, which means your boobs rise five inches. You're pretty stacked.

I technically by modern measuremnet should add one inch or subtract one inch to get an even number, then the difference between underbust and bust+cup size. ! inch A, 2 inch B, etc., making me a 32C, which I should try as it may fit a lot better. It prob will. But maybe a 34C would be better and that is the same as a 36B. It makes more sense at least. One thing is fo sho, I do not have negative boobs lol

32C = 34B = 36A
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Shantel

Quote from: kkut on June 01, 2013, 12:36:25 PM
Don't listen to the massive ripped guy at the gym. It'll only tick you off!

So true! You're definitely not alone here Kim, got pm-ed by another gal in tears over this thread. It isn't anyone's fault here, we all tend to internalize things differently, some get their feelings hammered pretty hard. Gotta just take your wtf pill and move on. Love you all just the way you are! ~Shan~
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Nicolette

Anyone feeling bad about their size, please realise cis-women complain just as much (notwithstanding humour):
http://caloriecount.about.com/forums/weight-loss/large-ribcage-anyone
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Carrie Liz

You know, this may sound really hypocritical coming from someone who has been posting asking for emotional support all week, but I think I'm just now realizing how much of a problem with body issues our community has. Seriously. We really are trying to live up to a completely unobtainable standard of beauty.

And the more I read from the women on here who look absolutely FANTASTIC, and yet constantly keep posting about how ugly they are, really makes this point hit home for me. This really is a choice. A choice to keep obsessing over every single damned one of your body flaws and all of the ways that you are inadequate compared to some cultural standard of femininity, which will inevitably result in a whole lifetime of feeling like crap and wishing that you were someone else in a different body, or just be happy. Seriously. Be like Tracy Turnbladt from "Hairspray." She doesn't give a damn that she's overweight, and she doesn't follow the cultural standard that says that if you're not thin you have to be miserable about it, and she just goes about her life making the most out of every single moment, completely upbeat and loving every second of it.

Go figure. We really need to just quit submitting to that cultural mindset that says if you're not completely flawless you have to be miserable about it until you are. All that will lead to is a lifetime of unhappiness and feelings of inadequacy. So I say, quit worrying, be happy, and love who you are!

*preaching session over*


And again, I know this sounds hypocritical coming from me, but I guess I've finally reached my breaking point in regards to allowing myself to obsess over body issues, and this thread kind of pushed me to it. Because I've realized, it always something. There are SO many threads exactly like this, and it's always something different... whether it's hand size, or muscles, or lack of hips, or skeletal structure, or whatever, it's ALWAYS something. And I kind of realized, I'm sick of allowing myself to feel like crap about these. Every single damned one of them is a dysphoria trigger, and I have to spend hours getting over it. So you know what? I have a choice. I have a choice to either keep obsessing over all of these "inadequate" features, making myself feel like a miserable unpretty self-loating pile of crap, or I can just get over it, accept myself, and be happy with who I am. And I encourage others to do the same. Quit worrying so damned much. Accept yourself. Love yourself. Realize that you are beautiful. Be happy. Don't fall into the same trap that cisgender women do where they're beautiful, and yet everyone can see it except them. You ARE beautiful. Regardless of any of these nitpicky body issues that everyone lets get them down. And regardless of what bodily physical features you have, you are a woman. Don't let dysphoria make you doubt it. That is all.
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misschievous

Quote from: Jennygirl on June 01, 2013, 05:57:31 AM
ymmv. If one was very muscly -inverted triangle status- and had a small frame I bet it would change significantly. I regrettably forgot to measure underbust when I started out, so when I say .5-1" I'm just guessing.
I just measured my under bust and it is at 36" I am not very muscular but I do have a bit of a gut 36.5" at belly button. hopefully when my fat is redistributed my under goes down tremendously.
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Shantel

Quote from: Carrie Liz on June 01, 2013, 05:56:10 PM
I've finally reached my breaking point in regards to allowing myself to obsess over body issues, and this thread kind of pushed me to it. Because I've realized, it always something. There are SO many threads exactly like this, and it's always something different... whether it's hand size, or muscles, or lack of hips, or skeletal structure, or whatever, it's ALWAYS something. And I kind of realized, I'm sick of allowing myself to feel like crap about these. Every single damned one of them is a dysphoria trigger, and I have to spend hours getting over it. So you know what? I have a choice. I have a choice to either keep obsessing over all of these "inadequate" features, making myself feel like a miserable unpretty self-loating pile of crap, or I can just get over it, accept myself, and be happy with who I am. And I encourage others to do the same. Quit worrying so damned much. Accept yourself. Love yourself. Realize that you are beautiful. Be happy. Don't fall into the same trap that cisgender women do where they're beautiful, and yet everyone can see it except them. You ARE beautiful. Regardless of any of these nitpicky body issues that everyone lets get them down. And regardless of what bodily physical features you have, you are a woman. Don't let dysphoria make you doubt it. That is all.

Amen to Carrie Liz, you are so right on honey, it's all kinda stupid ->-bleeped-<- isn't it hon? And I am responding in behalf of a lot of others here!
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misschievous

        I read alot of people complain about these posts and ,say that you should accept you body how it is. Everyone here, at one point or another, does not accept their body for what it is; except for the CIS people that are here to support others. If they weren't they wouldn't be here. So, is it wrong to want to know tricks to transition into the best body we can possibly get? If there is something I can do to lower my underbust size, I want to know about it. If their is a possibility that my feet might shrink, even only one shoe size, it gives me hope.
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Shantel

Quote from: misschievous on June 01, 2013, 07:20:44 PM
        I read alot of people complain about these posts and ,say that you should accept you body how it is. Everyone here, at one point or another, does not accept their body for what it is; except for the CIS people that are here to support others. If they weren't they wouldn't be here. So, is it wrong to want to know tricks to transition into the best body we can possibly get? If there is something I can do to lower my underbust size, I want to know about it. If their is a possibility that my feet might shrink, even only one shoe size, it gives me hope.

Hehehe you're kinda cute, I get you and it's totally valid as well. Guess we can say we're all in a different moment but on the same train ride. Everyone internalizes things differently at different times along the way and we have to be patient and understanding with each other.
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misschievous

Quote from: Shantel on June 01, 2013, 07:32:37 PM
Hehehe you're kinda cute, I get you and it's totally valid as well. Guess we can say we're all in a different moment but on the same train ride. Everyone internalizes things differently at different times along the way and we have to be patient and understanding with each other.

Thank you. I hope I didn't come off bitchy. :)
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Shantel

Quote from: misschievous on June 01, 2013, 07:47:27 PM
Thank you. I hope I didn't come off bitchy. :)

Naw, but it is understandable if you felt a bit bitchy, we all get that way at times dear!
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misschievous

 
Quote from: Shantel on June 01, 2013, 07:55:46 PM
Naw, but it is understandable if you felt a bit bitchy, we all get that way at times dear!

;)
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misschievous

Quote from: JulieR on June 01, 2013, 09:23:31 PM
6'4", band size is 46, shooting for a C cup someday.  At least this size is not so uncommon among cis females, it's fairly easy to buy.  The worst thing is trying to find women's shoes in size 15 (and I love shoes)

I know what you mean, it is hard enough for me to find Women's size 13. About all I have is Payless or online. Then it is limited on styles.
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