Andrej Pejic HRT?

[Lyric]

Holy! Good find, Aisla. As I've said before, she's shown the visual evidence of physical transition for awhile. This doesn't entirely surprise me, but am a bit surprised she's already gone through with SRS. That's a bombshell, for sure. I suppose it shouldn't be that big a deal, though, since for her there's never really been a life transition. She's been feminine since at least puberty, I think. I wonder if she'll finally get that Victoria's Secrets contract she's kidded about before? Can implants be the next step? (I hope not.)

I'd like to know how her name is pronounced now. "Andrej" was pronounced with the "j" silent for the most part I think. Maybe Andreja makes the "j" an "h" sound. I'll try to find out.

[Wynternight]

She's transitioned:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2705179/Androgynous-male-model-took-womens-fashion-world-storm-comes-transgender-woman.html

[androgynouspainter26]

Suzy,

I certainly meant no offense.  I completely agree with you about this notion that we must live our lives openly as examples of how gender can be transcended.  Mind you, this is a subjective thing, and some of us do live openly so as to help change the way our world views gender.  I count myself as one of these people, but the idea that others should have to follow suit is bogus in my opinion.  Andreja has also always been one of these people as well-and their narrative was always a very compelling one.  They choose to be a role model of sorts.

With Andreja, it was never presented as an issue of identity, or as a means of questioning their gender.  Here was someone who was truly living in between genders, or outside gender entirely-it wasn't due to dysphoria, it wasn't some huge crisis they were experiencing.  They simply did as they pleased-male or female, none of it seemed to matter to them.  I think the narrative of someone living this way is a very significant one because it does demonstrate that gender is a fluid thing.  It's wonderful that they can finally feel comfortable in their own skin, but I simply wish that it was possible for someone to live that way without feeling any sort of dysphoria.

[Lyric]

I've been an Andrej(a) fan since she came into the public spotlight. While I was a bit surprised to hear she's had SRS, I wouldn't say I'm disappointed. In fact I'd hoped (and suspected) she would at least be on HRT if just to maintain those beautiful feminine features past her mid 20s.

Regardless of what she does from here on, Andreja has done an incalculable service to all transgender and related persons by doing something that really had never happened before-- to made gender crossing "cool"-- at least to some extent-- in the public eye. Before she came along, a male wearing a dress had long been a cultural joke-- the topic of endless gags and butt of jokes. Andreja has shown more people than anyone before that someone born a male can be the sort of beautiful woman no one would joke about. The trickle down effect of this sort of cultural influence affects the entire society, just as similar processes have occurred in the past that changed racial stereotypes. Public influencers lead the way to social change by example. All of us here at Susan's owe Andreja a great debt, I think.

I'm personally happy to hear she's fulfilling herself and going her own way in life, as we all must. Her path isn't mine, either, but I appreciate her just the same.

~ Lyric ~

[Nicodeme]

Her wiki page was using feminine pronouns for...a while. I don't know why people continued with the assumption that she was NB (though, yes, I know where people got that idea) until just recently at the news of her SRS.

I also just am really hands-off about this kind of thing now because it doesn't legitimately effect me what other trans people do unless they're being douchey.

So...no?

[kelly_aus]

I seem to be the only one who remembers her oft repeated denials..

[Jessica Merriman]

Not trying to start anything here I just think this sounds a little like genitals defining a person. Isn't this something we do not approve of? She is still the same inspirational person she has always been. 

[Wynternight]

I seem to be the only one who remembers her oft repeated denials..

I remember them. They've been in every interview for three years. Guess she's done denying.

[Eevee]

I say good for her! Anyone should be able to express themselves however they want, and that includes public appearance as well as "private" appearance. It doesn't matter if they are famous or if they've previously made certain statements. That freedom should never be taken away.

[luna nyan]

Not trying to start anything here I just think this sounds a little like genitals defining a person. Isn't this something we do not approve of? She is still the same inspirational person she has always been. 

It's more like she was a poster person for non-binary.  The fact that she was wearing whatever the heck she felt like (and looked good doing it), while being assigned "male" was an example for Non binaries.

Of course I'm happy she's found her place, but she's now a different sort of inspiration now.   But then again, "role models" are only such if their life path resonates with your own.

[Jessica Merriman]

It's more like she was a poster person for non-binary. 

She still is unless her having GRS negates all the work she did for the non binary community. That would be so wrong on many levels. 

[Miss_Bungle1991]

Honestly, considering that I didn't know who this person was until literally five minutes ago. I'm pretty apathetic about it. I tend to not care all that much about "trans politics" as I call it.

[kelly_aus]

I'm disappointed by the level of 'hero worship' some parts of the community are displaying - especially given her denials over the years.. Some of which were negative towards trans people.

[Wynternight]

Green with jealousy. That's about it.

[helen2010]

She still is unless her having GRS negates all the work she did for the non binary community. That would be so wrong on many levels. 

Jessica

I think that all TG folk have more in common than there is difference.  Andreja has had a very positive impact on non binary and now traditional mtf narratives. But life being life, the same set of facts are perceived or interpreted differently according to your perspective, hypothesis or paradigm.   It is this nuance and the possibility for personal interpretation and identification which provides a very human and a very individual response to Andreja's journey

I suspect that just as many suspected she used hrt before she came out, just as many saw her as a MAAB non binary MTA, others saw someone on an inevitable journey as MTF.  In fact there will be now be others who still see a MAAB who is non binary but for a whole range of reasons realises that she saw the best (and most normative) decision, given their life objectives, to be a full binary physical transition

Just what is fact and what is overlaid narrative?  We won't know and we can never know.   Just as great poets, novelists and public figures give voice to themes and beliefs through their work and their declared narrative, we will never know the truth, their truth.   In some cases they may not even know or choose to declare their truth.

It really doesn't matter.   The OP's question was a good one.   It was a particularly good question for non binaries and for this forum.   Perhaps Andreja's journey major benefit will be to encourage non binary, TG and LGBTQI to realise that we have more in common than that which separates us, and that there is much power and opportunity in collective identification and action.

Safe travels

Aisla

[helen2010]

Perhaps she has been on a journey, like many of us, and didn't know where she was headed.   For many it takes time,  and the first destination does not necessarily end up being the final destination.  No matter, she deserves praise and support.  She has raised TG awareness and this can only be good for all of us.

Safe travels

Aisla

[Satinjoy]

I have not looked at her stuff, but I will say this.  If it is not too brazen to comment without the homework.

Anyone of us in the TG community that does what is necessary to feel better and has the guts to go through with it, deserves respect.  And gender isn't that static and we keep learning more and more about ourselves as we peel down to our cores, and then hopefully it is the core that is the root of transition.

Blessings.

[Satinjoy]

That is not to say that there is not a loss here to our core identity group or minimize that either.

After I do the homework I'll probably feel that loss, it is as if something went on with one of the GQ's on the vids, I'd feel it.

Just thinking out loud, shooting off the mouth again.

Blessings

[luna nyan]

She still is unless her having GRS negates all the work she did for the non binary community. That would be so wrong on many levels. 

Not at all.  It's a case of I look at her and start thinking is a full binary transition my ultimate destiny... (Queue darth vader here and some heavy mask breathing...).  Should I transition, I don't believe my posts here on living as non binary would be invalidated.  I have laid out my cards so to speak, and am non binary due to circumstances I have voluntarily put myself under.

To be honest, I do my own thing, and what others do with their lives is more a point of fascination.  My previous post on the topic was a generalisation and speculation, and may not have come across says such.

[ativan]

Perhaps she has been on a journey, like many of us, and didn't know where she was headed.   For many it takes time,  and the first destination does not necessarily end up being the final destination.  No matter, she deserves praise and support.  She has raised TG awareness and this can only be good for all of us.

There are so many people who have started out in this section and end up binary, and the other way around.
There may be people who will go back and forth several times. It's the journey, never the destination.
If you feel like you have been let down, consider that you may have invested too much of what you wanted her to be, into your life.
She has done much to raise awareness on her journey. How many other people do you know that have done as much? A handful.
I think it is a nice addition to what she has already done, and now it is binary.
We should all be happy for her, she has done so much of that for us.
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