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Holy crap! Just came out to my friends!

Started by Erik Ezrin, June 20, 2013, 03:37:28 AM

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Erik Ezrin

I can't believe I did that, lol!
I just wrote them a letter/journal explaining what I was going through (not yet definitely saying "I want you to do this and that, etc." but just pointing out very clearly I'm doubting my gender identity and VERY seriously think I'm transgender. When it comes to transitioning and such, I'll discuss it later with them). Not quite personal, nope, but I just couldn't tell them face-to-face. And even though they replied positively, and said they wanted to discuss it further IRL but would still stand beside me as friends, etc. I feel kind of shaky to see them this midday... now they KNOW.
It makes me excited and scared at the same time. It makes me feel... relieved and happy, but also like... falling down from a plane, unsure whether that bag on your back is a parachute or a lunchbox.

Somehow it's normal for me to feel like this, I felt the same way with my dreads, at first I couldn't even talk about it either, etc. and I've never regretted the decision to get them EVER since.
But for some weird reason am I always really closed up about something if I CARE about it. Even though I know people will accept me. *scratches head* ... the day I'll understand my own brain...!

Anyway, but it's out! ;D
I'll just see what they say this midday, but I don't think it will be really negative. Maybe confused at 'worst'.

-Erik
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not" -Kurt Cobain

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Andy

Good for you Erik! I'm sure that took, um, balls and is a big step for you!  ;D

Good luck and let us know how it all goes  ;)
"People come and go so quickly here!"
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Emily Aster

I felt the exact same way when I told my friends and they really set me at ease on that first IRL meeting after I came out to them. More so than I ever expected, since they decided to have it in a crowded restaurant where they asked me all kinds of trans questions! I could feel everybody staring at me when I got there and didn't care when I left.
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Erik Ezrin

Okay, a slight update here. Not too big cause Im on my phone though. Lots trickier typing!
Today I met them IRL first after I told them. I expected them to ask tons of questions, like what it meant, felt like, etc. especially cause they said they wanted to talk about it personally. But they didnt say ANYTHING, which could be okay on itself... but they still treated me like a girl. They even encouraged me to get a dress for the ball on time when I told them I hadnt one yet. (which left me feeling like "DAFUQ!? Girls! I am a GUY. It would be ridiculous to go in a dress!")
At first I was REALLY happy they just greeted me like normal, talked to me like normal, and not like some freak. But as they continued talking about girls she, etc. I could just feel my stomach turn. I wanted to tell them. Say they completely got it wrong... but I just couldnt. I was too goddamn afraid... I feel so spineless for not taking a stand and taking it up for myself now. I dont know what to do right now... I should just "get some balls and get myself together" I guess. We'll meet again at Monday. Righ now it seems so easy to tell them face to face, but Im really afraid Ill chicken out again...
I just had to get that out for a sec. Ill say something more sensible tomorrow morning. My braib feels a bit scrambled atm.
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not" -Kurt Cobain

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Jess42

Quote from: Erik Ezrin on June 20, 2013, 05:11:53 PM
Okay, a slight update here. Not too big cause Im on my phone though. Lots trickier typing!
Today I met them IRL first after I told them. I expected them to ask tons of questions, like what it meant, felt like, etc. especially cause they said they wanted to talk about it personally. But they didnt say ANYTHING, which could be okay on itself... but they still treated me like a girl. They even encouraged me to get a dress for the ball on time when I told them I hadnt one yet. (which left me feeling like "DAFUQ!? Girls! I am a GUY. It would be ridiculous to go in a dress!")
At first I was REALLY happy they just greeted me like normal, talked to me like normal, and not like some freak. But as they continued talking about girls she, etc. I could just feel my stomach turn. I wanted to tell them. Say they completely got it wrong... but I just couldnt. I was too goddamn afraid... I feel so spineless for not taking a stand and taking it up for myself now. I dont know what to do right now... I should just "get some balls and get myself together" I guess. We'll meet again at Monday. Righ now it seems so easy to tell them face to face, but Im really afraid Ill chicken out again...
I just had to get that out for a sec. Ill say something more sensible tomorrow morning. My braib feels a bit scrambled atm.

Wow Erik. I know you said you wrote them a letter/journal. Did they even read it? Did you give it to them face to face and actually tell them to read it? If they did read they have one of the wierdest reactions still wanting you to buy a dress. Keep us updated 'cause you have just entered the Twilight Zone.
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Leo.

Congrats on going through with it Erik  :)

Quote from: Erik Ezrin on June 20, 2013, 05:11:53 PM
Okay, a slight update here. Not too big cause Im on my phone though. Lots trickier typing!
Today I met them IRL first after I told them. I expected them to ask tons of questions, like what it meant, felt like, etc. especially cause they said they wanted to talk about it personally. But they didnt say ANYTHING, which could be okay on itself... but they still treated me like a girl. They even encouraged me to get a dress for the ball on time when I told them I hadnt one yet. (which left me feeling like "DAFUQ!? Girls! I am a GUY. It would be ridiculous to go in a dress!")
At first I was REALLY happy they just greeted me like normal, talked to me like normal, and not like some freak. But as they continued talking about girls she, etc. I could just feel my stomach turn. I wanted to tell them. Say they completely got it wrong... but I just couldnt. I was too goddamn afraid... I feel so spineless for not taking a stand and taking it up for myself now. I dont know what to do right now... I should just "get some balls and get myself together" I guess. We'll meet again at Monday. Righ now it seems so easy to tell them face to face, but Im really afraid Ill chicken out again...
I just had to get that out for a sec. Ill say something more sensible tomorrow morning. My braib feels a bit scrambled atm.
I havent told anyone besides my mum and my GP yet but the reaction has been the same as yours really. I expected to be asked about alot of things, instead its never really been mentioned despite saying they (she told my sis too) were completely supportive of it. I dont see how its supportive to completely ignore it and continue to use 'she' constantly. All it shows is they really dont get it. I dont understand whats hard about this. Saying nothing may be better than disowning you but I personally dont like it either as to me ignoring the issue is acting as if they dont care or just not interested in it. I didnt expect the right pronouns to be used right away but over 2 months on and everything is exactly the same as it was before I said a word. Sometimes I wonder if I actually said anything or I just imagined the whole thing. Just some acknowledgement would be nice, however small would mean so much to me but no.. I remember years ago my sis once saying to me she was hoping for a brother. I hoped with all this she would make some reference to that but she hasnt actually said a single word to me about it. All my mum has asked about is if I can get the surgery on the NHS and where I would need to go. Thats it. Of course Im glad they're not against me doing all this but some acknowledgement would be nice

Might just be a normal reaction in that the majority of people really dont get this and that clearly demonstrates it. So you're really a guy, hey you need to get a dress! What? Why is it so hard to get this through to people. I hope you can eventually get through to them and stop misgendering you. It might just take some time, I dont know what the problem is with people but suppose it needs to be spelled out to most of them that misgendering you after they have been told isnt right and to use the correct pronouns. Its a sign of respect if nothing else. I know its hard to speak up and say you dont want them calling you that. I specifically said in the email to my mum how much I hate it to be called the wrong thing but seems that was completely ignored. If you correct them and they still continue to do it then keep reminding them until they eventually get the message. Shouldnt be that difficult for a friend to do




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Jamie D

Quote from: Erik Ezrin on June 20, 2013, 05:11:53 PM
Okay, a slight update here. Not too big cause Im on my phone though. Lots trickier typing!
Today I met them IRL first after I told them. I expected them to ask tons of questions, like what it meant, felt like, etc. especially cause they said they wanted to talk about it personally. But they didnt say ANYTHING, which could be okay on itself... but they still treated me like a girl. They even encouraged me to get a dress for the ball on time when I told them I hadnt one yet. (which left me feeling like "DAFUQ!? Girls! I am a GUY. It would be ridiculous to go in a dress!")

At first I was REALLY happy they just greeted me like normal, talked to me like normal, and not like some freak. But as they continued talking about girls she, etc. I could just feel my stomach turn. I wanted to tell them. Say they completely got it wrong... but I just couldnt. I was too goddamn afraid... I feel so spineless for not taking a stand and taking it up for myself now. I dont know what to do right now... I should just "get some balls and get myself together" I guess. We'll meet again at Monday. Righ now it seems so easy to tell them face to face, but Im really afraid Ill chicken out again...

Well, give them a little time.  And when it seems appropriate, engage them.  Remember, they have to learn to break their old habits.

Quote from: Erik Ezin

I just had to get that out for a sec. Ill say something more sensible tomorrow morning. My braib feels a bit scrambled atm.

My briab often feels scrambled.
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Erik Ezrin

Jamie, you made me laugh with that last comment XD lol, those typo's... ::)

QuoteWell, give them a little time.  And when it seems appropriate, engage them.  Remember, they have to learn to break their old habits.
Yeah, I do. But I'd expect them to AT LEAST say a bit more, like ask "So, what's up with this transgender business, eh?" So I could explain some basics, etc. I wouldn't expect them to swap pronouns and name right away, but what makes me feel worst is that they don't say ANYTHING. They just act as if I said NOTHING! :o

Quote
Wow Erik. I know you said you wrote them a letter/journal. Did they even read it? Did you give it to them face to face and actually tell them to read it? If they did read they have one of the wierdest reactions still wanting you to buy a dress. Keep us updated 'cause you have just entered the Twilight Zone.
Yes, they did. One replied first, saying she didn't know what to say in a comment and wanted to talk with me personally about it, the other agreed, saying something along the lines of "I can write a gibberish story of supporting you and such, but talking will be a lot better than just writing something. We'll meet tomorrow anyway, so we can then discuss it further"
So I REALLY expected them to say even ANYTHING. Every signal they gave was "We still are your friends, but would rather talk about this than write, let's do that tomorrow"
I was like "Okay, they don't say something right away, that's OK, give them some time." but they didn't say A THING the entire day. When we came to the subject of the graduation ball, and dropped that I hadn't gotten a dress yet, having a "I hate dresses" face, I HOPED they'd be like "Well, yeah, we understand. If you feel like a guy I'd be uncomfortable with that too!" (not even saying you ARE a guy, I don't yet ask that of them. Not yet) but they replied like "Well, get one quick then! Otherwise you can't go. Maybe you can borrow one from *name*?" And I was like "You girls are either REALLY stupid, or just ignoring what I wrote yesterday!"
It made me REALLY confused too! I don't think they did it to hurt me, but maybe they just didn't know how to handle the situation and went into 'ignore' mode???
And I'll certainly keep you people updated!

QuoteI havent told anyone besides my mum and my GP yet but the reaction has been the same as yours really. I expected to be asked about alot of things, instead its never really been mentioned despite saying they (she told my sis too) were completely supportive of it. I dont see how its supportive to completely ignore it and continue to use 'she' constantly. All it shows is they really dont get it. I dont understand whats hard about this. Saying nothing may be better than disowning you but I personally dont like it either as to me ignoring the issue is acting as if they dont care or just not interested in it. I didnt expect the right pronouns to be used right away but over 2 months on and everything is exactly the same as it was before I said a word. Sometimes I wonder if I actually said anything or I just imagined the whole thing. Just some acknowledgement would be nice, however small would mean so much to me but no.. I remember years ago my sis once saying to me she was hoping for a brother. I hoped with all this she would make some reference to that but she hasnt actually said a single word to me about it. All my mum has asked about is if I can get the surgery on the NHS and where I would need to go. Thats it. Of course Im glad they're not against me doing all this but some acknowledgement would be nice

Might just be a normal reaction in that the majority of people really dont get this and that clearly demonstrates it. So you're really a guy, hey you need to get a dress! What? Why is it so hard to get this through to people. I hope you can eventually get through to them and stop misgendering you. It might just take some time, I dont know what the problem is with people but suppose it needs to be spelled out to most of them that misgendering you after they have been told isnt right and to use the correct pronouns. Its a sign of respect if nothing else. I know its hard to speak up and say you dont want them calling you that. I specifically said in the email to my mum how much I hate it to be called the wrong thing but seems that was completely ignored. If you correct them and they still continue to do it then keep reminding them until they eventually get the message. Shouldnt be that difficult for a friend to do
It hurts, doesn't it... :(
People give you their support but very obviously they still don't "get" it and just carry on like nothing changed. I decided I'll come out to my parents just by plain old telling them, 'cause if I'm ready to tell them, I'm ready to talk about it, and to correct them if they 'get it wrong'.
Right now discussing it with people gives me way more stress than they could ever imagine, and getting called "she" while having explained them is even worse than being called "she" in pure ignorance. I would also constantly beat myself down for not saying anything about it being wrong, etc. While if you come out face-to-face, or AT LEAST give the person a letter while you're NEXT to them, they are kind of forced to talk about it, etc. and you avoid awkward situations like these.

Two of my friends I'm closer to, and they are generally more accepting, and I feel safe telling them things. I'm going to try to arrange a day to do something fun with those two, and then just tell them in person, also saying that it isn't nice to call me a girl, etc. and then later when I'm more comfortable with it, tell the others.
Well, we'll just see what will happen. Like I said, going to keep you posted.
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not" -Kurt Cobain

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Emily Aster

I see that you said that they didn't bring it up during the in person meeting, but did you bring it up? They may have been just as afraid to bring it up with you as you were to tell them. They might have been expecting you to initiate the conversation and when that didn't happen, just assumed you didn't really mean it. The reason it went so well with my friends was that I was the 4th person that came out to them, so they were more at ease with it than I was.
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Jess42

Wow!!!! for a second time. It almost seems like a temporary denial on their parts. At least they want discuss it face to face. That maybe a good sign since the treated you normally. I'm interested and at the same time confused at their reactions so please keep us updated.
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Erik Ezrin

QuoteI see that you said that they didn't bring it up during the in person meeting, but did you bring it up? They may have been just as afraid to bring it up with you as you were to tell them. They might have been expecting you to initiate the conversation and when that didn't happen, just assumed you didn't really mean it. The reason it went so well with my friends was that I was the 4th person that came out to them, so they were more at ease with it than I was.
I think it's something along those lines, yes, as I didn't bring it up myself either (I was REALLY hoping they would, as I'm still insanely uncomfortable to discuss this stuff with people. Somehow talking about being trans with cispeople always makes me feel like a weirdo, freak or just an idiot making life harder than it has to be, etc.)
I'm thinking about sending them a second message before we'll meet again at monday, explaining it actually IS serious and giving some more in-depth information, also explicitly adding they should call me "he" "him", etc. I just hope I won't chicken out on the moment I have to tell them in person again.

I just don't get it, lol. I wish I could look into their heads or something...
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not" -Kurt Cobain

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Joanna Dark

It sounds like you are going to have to bring it up to them. When things are said in a letter or a text they are easier to ignore. By their reactions (get a dress), they may doubt the seriousness of it. I think the best way is to do it in person. This will also help face your fear of talking about trans issues in person, because you will have to do it more if you plan on getting top or bottom surgery or going on T or whatnot. I know it is hard but you will feel so much better after you do it. It will make you stronger. Remember though that this isn't a race. Go at your own pace.
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Lorri Kat

...It might work out better or at least glean more insite for you if you meet them one on one where they could each talk freely with you without others around.  No mater how 'free spirited' any group is ..there is still some tangible pressure to be similar within it.  Shrugs..  they may have been afraid to ask or say anything on their own with everyone else around. .. the 'grape vine' dosen't always work ..   :)
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