Are the successes of the lgbt community benefiting all trans people?

[Katelyn]

That is, benefiting people throughout the whole transgender spectrum,  and if so, enough? 

I feel happy for the gay community as well as for the progress the transgender community has made, however I've felt for a long time that in terms of the transgender community, mostly "traditional" transsexuals ("I've always felt like a girl/woman" for MTF's for example) are the ones that benefit, especially in terms of social acceptance.  Am I wrong?  Are crossdressers and genderqueer people of all types (as well as "non traditional" transsexuals) also benefiting?  And if so, benefiting adequately?

I'm asking this because this has been something that has been bothering me for years.

[aleon515]

I'm not sure we benefit at all. (Except to the extent that when one groups civil rights get better, everyone's does. And that some trans people are also gay.) Happy to see the whole thing with the repeal of DOMA, but not sure that we, as a group, get anything from it, except those who are gay.

--Jay

[noeleena]

Hi,

Not as a put down yet this is , Iv had more issues with in the trans ill use so called community  some 14 years than iv had with in Waimate & two other close towns Oamaru & Timaru in 15 years . some of that will be im intersexed, out & about get on with my life as a normal female / woman.

Iv been embarrised in front of two groups one was our Human Rights meeting about 25 of us . at the other meet in front of 80 people & was ignored by another group some 85 for a week end though i did talk to about 5 people & two came up to me i said hi to every one because i was in charge of photography for the group. so i was busy doing that so i blame myself on that count yet when i put the camara down i was still not spoken to.

I did do an interview for two other women who were doing a study on those of us who were intersex or trans or dresser's,

Now even while there i talked with more people who were in the Hotel & had nothing at all to do with us,some 100  or our group.

Is it myself am i one of those who find it hard talking to others or more to the point im not as good looking as a female i dont think i am so im out side of how they think i should be or look i mean lets face it  they most look more feminine more like a woman all made up. & would pass, i come along who  the hell are you you dont even look like a woman let alone female.

news flash.... get to know me youll find i am female & a woman. just i dont have that . ...LOOK... non acceptance with in the trans groups or community, im the one liveing in the real world with real people,

ooops maybe i dont yet im accepted into socity joined many groups on two commiteys,  in women only groups, have a life as a woman. so maybe iv missed something or iv got it all wrong .

I tryed to get along with & help others who i thought  needed it, oh just one miner detail what the hell would i know im just a woman. so  there you go.

LGBT  has not done any thing for myself  its not pulled to gether its fragmented dont get on with each other & some are very anti, those who are different from themselfs,

I think in many ways those who crossdress have it right in most detail they can dress talk about what they are wearing just like most men when they join a group such as an  interest  in cars,, they have something in common with each other,

For those of us who are intersexed we are on the outer, thats just life,

Okay the only ones that have really helped myself  & our women as a woman is those going back to the 1860 to 1920's  the womens suffrage movement or womens rights movement in 1848,

What they did had an  impact on the world manly for women ,  men did not wont the statis  quo changed,  it has because of what our women went through for us today . & what they suffered for it,

Now are trans people standing on thier own work  or are they useing others for what they wont in acceptance from socity, as a whole,

As a woman you must take a womans   responcabilty & what it intails  not  the oh im better than others,  because iv had surgerys & hormones  so now im a woman.  funny what comes out of the woodwork. iv heard it for a few years now, if trans wont acceptance  then some need to wakeup to whats really going on about them . not stay in little groups with the pink fog about themselfs , iv been to a few groups i was not impressed at all sorry to say.

Well this is what iv seen first hand in New Zealand, i know id get flack over this id expect it, its the truth im sorry yet the truth is what hurts,

In a stright answer to the ? the answer is ...NO...to much infighting, is the main reason,.

...noeleena...

[Joanna Dark]

Well if you are non-op there is the marriage issue if your attracted to your birth sex. That's pretty huge. what about if you are post-op trans woman and like females? Benefiting again. So there's that. I am not quite sure  what you mean about benefiting though, honestly. People are very accepting of me so maybe I'm lucky and haven't faced the discrimination some do.

[Naomi]

Theoretically it helps us for one of two, or both reasons: 1. If people can learn to accept the spectrum of sexuality it should theoretically help with understanding the spectrum of gender. 2. As mentioned before it can eliminate issues marriage in relation to how the state views your relationship based on your surgeries.

If it actually does those things I don't know.

[JennX]

I'd say yes... but in a very in-direct circumlocutious route. It helps open the door for further discussion and advancement if nothing else.

[Tristan]

well i guess you transition and identify as lesbian or gay then yes? but im not really sure how trans people would go about asking for rights? i mean after SRS you can get married to the opposite sex. you cant join the military nut hey joining the Gov in other ways is better anyways.

[Katelyn]

Actually thinking about it, one reason why the lgbt community is advancing in terms of rights is because the younger generations are less socially conservative than older generations.  It seems that people who are in evangelical religions or people who are conservative in terms of the social order cause the most problems.  Younger generations are also more used to seeing gay people, as human beings, including as celebrities, and as TV or movie characters, thus less likely to have outlandish ideas about lgbt people.

This potentially benefits everyone in the TG spectrum because people are being taught not to judge people just because they are different as well as that it is not their business to question someone's gender presentation.  Also, since young people have been more exposed to TG people since a young age, they are less likely to see it negatively because there's not as much of a "surprise" factor as compared to older people who didn't grow up seeing transgender people and thus thought someone being transgender was out of place in society.

While not all in the U.S., such people who seem to go ok in life that are "non-TS" transgender people are:  Stu Rasmussen, mayor of Silverton, OR,  Pete Burns, former member of "Dead or Alive" band and from the UK,  Andrej Pejic, model from Australia.