fight like a men..

[jossef-ftm]

all my life people (cis guys) try to make me angry just to start a fight to prove they r stronger , like in my family when all the family together or something and i out with them or sit to talk they always try to show me like u not a real men ...mens r strong and stufs, and to be honest i'm always ready to fight even sometimes the guy is bigger and stronger i always get ino the fight , last year my ancle' son was calling me gay he always tell me u r just a lesbian , he cant accept the fact that his girl always talk to me  and wanna visit us he always thought i try to take her from him so in my aunt wedding he was with her and all the night he tryed  to do stuffs to start a fight with me and punch me front of her and thats what happened and its not the only time they always i mean family boys they always like that even i dont talk to them sometimes they always find a reason to star a fight ....is that happen with u 2 guys ? do people try to start fight with you just cause u r a tg and they want to show u they r stronger .. i get hurt a lot i even brok my hand but the most hurtful thing is the fight front of the girl i cant forget that i wanna revenge i cant stop thinking of wha happened and i really wanna brok his face cause he keep ennoying me like always and i think the sulution is to fight him again idgaf how bigger he is but i feel he wont stop if i didnt punch his stupid face what u suggest me to do guys ?

[Tossu-sama]

Even if someone was to punch me straight to the face, I would hold myself and not retaliate so they won't have the pleasure of getting me all riled up. I'd rather watch them getting frustrated and all because they don't get the answer they want.
Being able to throw punches and crack noses isn't what makes you a man and getting into a fight just because someone is trying to provoke you is not required to prove your identity to others.

But that's just my opinion.

(I don't know if I could express myself clearly here, I know what I want to say/write but it seems I just can't get sensible sentences out. )

[Natkat]

I haven't had many fights for real, I used to fight for fun but not serious as i'm a pretty anti-violant person, however I had got alot of those "provement thing in my past from guys to show I was one of them. climp this planket, show your strenght, do this do that and if not then im a sissy. I guess I also acted more thought for this but now I notice this isnt worth it.

I see many guys going around proving themself and there strenght, hearing comment like "real men do" or "I know what woman want" but when you get more into it there really pitiful people who desperatly want to hang on to something.
some year ago there where a 2 guys from my school, Both where pretty rough and strong, tall, musculour and general masuline on the outside but not on the inside. One of the guys used to be kinda dominant in everything he did, I was opposite of him and usunally got comment of "boys dont do this"
one time I walked in my neighbours room I saw him sitting there with a pink hallo kitty sticking plaster which his girlfriend had putted on him head. I ask why he do not go out and eat and he say he hurted himself so she where putting on sticky marks on the wound. I say its only just a scrats and he say "but the other boys will bully me when they see its hallo kitty! "
(and btw he was over 20 at that time)
I still find it pretty ammusing thinking about how big and strong he always apears exept for when you get into details,
most guys are like that. The other guy he was in the closet and actually kinda femenine but tried hide it alittle the first time so nobody would comment on him or give him trouble.
He also apears very strong on the outside but inside he was very scared afraid of what other thought of him, afraid of him famely which he wouldnt lose yet never really could do him good and he was also abit scared when I showed him around in my neighbourhood just to creep him out abit .

but yeah my suggeston is don't start a fight just to start a fight or prove yourself. Its a pitifull concept made by pitifull people with low self esteam. If you must hit on random people to make yourself feel better or proving yourself then your are on the same leve.

if guys desperatly want to fight either ask them dirrectly why they want to fight, what there goal is, why they think boys should fight, if there isnt more in the deffenition to a guy than fighting, stuff like that usenally confusses cisgenders who usunally dont really questionate there actions, in some caises it also makes them pretty angry so then its better to just leave them alone if posible.

[xchristine]

That's how boys groom each other. .
Beat the snot out of each other. 
Sad sad for us mtf.....
My little trick?? Stab them in the throat with fingers...
And as they bend over to choke for air...
Go beside them and tell the stay crouched.
You will help him breathe.  Hhaha
And walk behind hom and kick his rocks

Well I grew up Indian...hahaha

[Joanna Dark]

Guys like this generally don't have friends or don't have friends you would want to be friends with. Most guys do not want to fight, hate fighting, and if you get in fights, they will blame you, whether it's your fault or not, for start starting drama. Maybe it's a little different when your 15 but after HS all this ends and nobody fights. Hope you don't mind me commenting but since I was MAAB I have some pretty intimate knowledge of things like this.

[D0LL]

Most guys do not want to fight, hate fighting, and if you get in fights, they will blame you, whether it's your fault or not, for start starting drama.

It sounds like you must live in a place where the guys are more docile. Around here, it doesn't matter the age, guys are pretty much always ready to fight. Especially closer to the ghetto areas (of course, the women in those areas are also more on edge). I don't know too many guys who don't like fighting. It's how you show off your manhood and dominance. Guys even play fight all the time.

I honestly haven't been in too many fights, and the ones I have been in with have been with women (except the time I almost broke this kid's nose play fighting him). But I've always been viewed as female (I dressed female most of my life), so I think the more masculine I dress, and the more people start to see me as male, the more likely guys will want to fight me (although for real reasons, not just for being tg). I also think that despite my petite frame, some people are afraid to fight me because of how frightening I can look when I'm angry. As someone who enjoys fighting, I find it kind of disappointing when someone acts tough and then walks away from a fight.

The only time I've almost gotten into a real fight with a guy, he was completely terrified of me and wouldn't get out of his car. His reasoning for not fighting me wasn't because I was female, but because I was underage. I told him I was 18, completely legal, come at me brah, and he started to drive off like a pussy. Just drove away when I responded by keying the hood of his car (I'm not psycho, I swear, he started everything when he threatened my mom).

Although I do enjoy a good fight (nothing gets the T flowing quite like a good throwdown), I feel like fighting just to prove something is asinine. If you're gonna fight, and it's gonna be a real fight, there's gotta be some kind of legitimate reason. Fighting someone because you want to prove your masculinity to a tg guy is ridiculous. If someone's throwing punches, that may be reason enough to fight back and defend yourself (unfortunately, there are a lot of guys out there who will continue to fight someone who refuses to fight back). But as long as you have a say in it, there should be a reason for the fight. Like if they stole $500 from you. Or maybe they started throwing punches at your friend. Or maybe the other guy just gets belligerent drunk. Because that stuff happens.

But a guy who wants to prove himself over a transman is obviously insecure about himself and feels threatened. I'm sorry to hear that you're getting picked on for that reason alone, that's pretty pathetic of those guys.

[Joanna Dark]

It sounds like you must live in a place where the guys are more docile. Around here, it doesn't matter the age, guys are pretty much always ready to fight. Especially closer to the ghetto areas (of course, the women in those areas are also more on edge). I don't know too many guys who don't like fighting. It's how you show off your manhood and dominance. Guys even play fight all the time.

I live in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, which is generally considered a pretty tough town. The only place where fighting might be cool in this area is in Kensington. And nobody thinks Kensington is cool. We call them Kensos and trash because of this.

There is a reason men stop fighting after age 18: when grown men fight, as opposed to play fighting, people get hurt and sometimes die. Most fights last one punch and end on the ground. I used to go to bars a lot and I've never seen a real fight, i.e. someone punching someone else in the face.

I mean guys love play fighting but that's fake and no one goes all out.

As far as the guy who wouldn't fight you, if his friends were around and saw that after he left or you left they would all be patting him on the back and it wouldn't matter if he started it or not. You never ever ever hit a female. And you were presenting as female right? If he hit you, not only would he lose his friends he would have a hard time making more in the future as people would say that is the guy who hits girls. No one and I mean no one would day he was a wimp for not fighting a girl.

You might notice a difference in how guys act if you present female. Guys act different when women are around. Or in groups. I can tell you for a fact that within male-only spaces, fights are incredibly rare. And if you start fights alot people will not want to be friends with you. Who wants to fight all the time and go to jail? When you're male, you don't get probation, you go to prison. That is a definite advantage to being FAAB. Courts and cops go lighter on you.

If someone wants to prove they are tougher, arm wrestling is the preferred method. I know what I am talking about too since I'm MAAB, have presented male most of my life, and would generally be considered popular. I'm not trying to barge in on the FTM section and I'm sorry if anyone is offended but I really do have some pretty specialized knowledge. I think we should all help each other more with things like this.

BTW, sorry for having to point out you presenting as female I really tried not to but I couldn't leave that out and give you a truthful answer as to how guys act. I think this is pretty useful stuff for FTMS.

Oh and I'll be honest I was in a situation like yours where I tried to get in a fight with this guy for picking on me and he would not fight me. His exact words which at the time cut like a knife: fighting you would be like beating up a girl what can man would I be? And everyone started laughing and nobody thought he was a pussy for not fighting me. I know cause I aksed my one friend and he was like no one would fight you, man. Seriously i would be pissed and kick his ass if someone laid a hand on you. I'm like 5'6 and 125 lbs so yeah. There is this so maybe I'm wrong. But I have been in like five or six fights when I was a teen.

[xchristine]

Here is another male pespective.  I had the
Pleasure of growing up male...transitioning in late teens
Detransitioned at 29

I have had to fight men even when it might have been obvious
Thete was no competiton....because I'm 5 ft 11 and 150 lbs
Plus I'm Indian....Indians always are good competiton

As a girl even as a trans girl ..it changed....I had men basically
Either want to insult me...or do me...

Men fight and anything can trigger ir.  Ego boost from a paycheck
Impress a girl....defend a girl.....or drunk....
But you do get woman beaters running around so not always safe
To assume you can pull the girl card...

[Tadpole]

I have a few cis-guy friends around here that I really like a lot. Unfortunately some of them are misogynistic and I don't always feel like I can set them straight, they are so set in their attitudes. But if I am nice to them they treat me as a friend regardless. Some other cis-guys are people I hate as much as anyone. They are cold and aggressive in their demeanor, they always have to win an argument and try to prove that they are intellectually superior to you somehow. They employ condescending or degrading comments and will sometimes make veiled comments alluding to sexual assault or joking about it and they will make comments about your body. They use their larger physical presence as intimidation. They rarely would actually pick a fight with me rather they would be more likely to talk in a violent manner and talk about how women are inferior and sometimes that they wish they could get away with beating up a cis-gender woman, and they tend to be very closed minded to any kind of existence of transmen in particular, and no, I don't think that I shouldn't be saying this. I just stay away from those type of tool, they are another breed of man.

[Darrin Scott]

I think depends on who you're around. I don't hang out with people who want to fight and "prove themselves" all the time. Most of the guys I know aren't like that. A lot will only fight when they have to.

[Tadpole]

Yes, I agree that a lot of guys I'm around are not like that at all. I think it's more of a thing where the minority who are really like that create a bad image of men and make some people afraid of men. It's too bad really.

[Simon]

I used to get into fights when I was a teen. Nothing terrible...just regular kid brawls. My problem was I grew up dirt poor so I was picked on a lot in school for where I lived, my clothes, etc. I got sick of it but I wasn't very good with my words when I was a kid so I'd give em' a knuckle sandwich, lol. Didn't take long for people to leave me alone.

The older I get the better I have gotten in talking my way out of issues or just simply walking away. I'm getting too old and I'm definitely too sick to be fighting. I try my best to stay away from drama. If I was attacked I would fight but I hope I am never in that situation because I would hurt somebody. My body and life mean too much to me to stand around and trade blows. I'm going to gouge eyes, strike throats, and go for groins. I would never start anything but I will defend myself viciously.

I have noticed the older cis guys get the more they mellow out. Late teens to mid 20's there are a lot of young single guys who just want to party and assert their "manhood". Everybody eventually grows up. Just takes some longer than it does others. Thankfully I have never actually been physically attacked for being trans but I did have multiple threats in the past. I would never advise anyone else to do what I do but most of the time I have a weapon on me. I would never use it unless I was in a life threatening situation but I am making sure I'm not going to become a statistic.

[Jack_M]

Maybe because I grew up with martial arts, I just consider the idea of fighting pathetic.  Fight for honour or good reason, don't fight to prove masculinity; it's dumb. 

I'd say your best bet it to literally be the better man and walk away.  If you're in danger and they're definitely going to hit you, then you fight back.  Or if they attempt to hurt a friend, family member or partner, then yeah, these are justifiable times to lay the smack down on the prick.  Just proving you're a man, well there's no real way to prove you're "a man" per se, but there is a way to prove you're a better man: walk away. 

[big kim]

Don't do it unless it's really necessary.I got into a lot of fights at school,nothing serious just general kid fist fights and got pretty good at it,the trouble was the more fights I won the more other kids felt they had to prove by beating a good fighter.

[Tadpole]

Once you turn 18 things like this get taken a lot more seriously. I've gotten in trouble with the law before for my losing it. I was mostly non-violent up until about a certain point in high school where I snapped because of the bullies that would harass me and sometimes pick physical fights with me. I started picking physical fights back with them and sometimes with people I really didn't like such as outspoken bigots even if they weren't calling names to me. I had to get it out of my system as fast as I could but I wasn't fast enough. You might be interested in learning stuff such as calming techniques, meditations and adopting techniques such as consciousness raising activities, and radical forgiveness.

[GnomeKid]

don't get upset.  laugh at them and walk away.

[Edge]

he cant accept the fact that his girl always talk to me  and wanna visit us he always thought i try to take her from him

Seriously? If he wants his girlfriend to stay with him, he should treat her with a lot more respect. Being paranoid about people she talks to, trying to start fights with people she likes, and not letting or trusting her to make her own decisions is definitely not respectful.
As for fighting, most guys I've met are either not into fighting or refuse to fight with me because they see me as a girl.

[xchristine]

Lately I find with fighting boys

They over power me and pin me on my back..

[Beth Andrea]

My only experience with fighting was in middle school, grades 7-8-9 (in American system, there's 12 grades). I moved around a LOT during those years, and went to many schools.

I found that the bullies would give you a day or two, then start picking on the new guy until he got mad and fought them...after that, all was kosher. It's like they're establishing a "pecking order" of *ahem* manliness amongst themselves.

Once I figured that out, I stopped fighting. (I never won a fight, btw, but even so after it, they never picked on me again. Must've done something right...) That really pissed off the bullies, but I dealt with them in my own way. (5th Amendment, here)

Girls, on the other hand...can be very vicious, physically and emotionally.

If someone taunts you by saying "you can't beat me up, 'cause you're a girl! I'm stronger than you!" remind them that real men are tough and strong, but also kind. They know their limits--and they know when they are bullying others to make themselves look like a "tough guy."

[xchristine]

Haha reminds me of something I read...

When some one says be a man grow a pair of balls
You should really say

Why would I want a pair of balls? They are weak and
Really hurt when hit....what you really want is a vagina...
Those things can take a pounding

Yes I agree girls are more vicious ...since I dont know why
Oh!!! You can't hit a girl....and trust me I've used that card
A LOT