maybe i'm not androgyne

[jonjon]

maybe i'm just a really feminine guy.

I dont know  I'm confused 

[Pica Pica]

Choose something and run with it for a bit.

[sparkles]

end of the day it dont matter about the title you pick to describe yourself to others as long as your comfetable with it thats what matters. there are so many different terms and im sure im 2-3 of them on different occasions

[jonjon]

i guess.

Damn you're right. I should stop worrying about titles and such and just focus on being me.

[Pica Pica]

i guess.

Damn you're right. I should stop worrying about titles and such and just focus on being me.

Hard to do though, there's so many bits of me to choose from. Nice shades by the way. 

[Laurry]

Hiya Wishy,

Finding a label is just part of being human.  We all want to belong to something, to feel we are part of a group.  So we find one that seems like it might work.  We try it on.  We play with it.  We talk about how this label is a perfect fit, and at last we had finally found "who we are".

So we go along, happily living our lives as our label, and after a while we start to notice that the label doesn't fit quite as well or appear quite as shiny.  Then we notice the dings and cracks and begin to wonder why we ever thought this dang thing would fit.  We cast it off from us as we would a tattered coat we have outgrown.

So we find a new label and maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.  If it doesn't, we may look for a new one or go back to that old tattered coat.

It doesn't matter what label we have, it's who we are as a person that matters.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

.......Laurie

[jonjon]

Hiya Wishy,

Finding a label is just part of being human.  We all want to belong to something, to feel we are part of a group.  So we find one that seems like it might work.  We try it on.  We play with it.  We talk about how this label is a perfect fit, and at last we had finally found "who we are".

So we go along, happily living our lives as our label, and after a while we start to notice that the label doesn't fit quite as well or appear quite as shiny.  Then we notice the dings and cracks and begin to wonder why we ever thought this dang thing would fit.  We cast it off from us as we would a tattered coat we have outgrown.

So we find a new label and maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.  If it doesn't, we may look for a new one or go back to that old tattered coat.

It doesn't matter what label we have, it's who we are as a person that matters.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

.......Laurie

So you're saying.... lets walk around naked? O.o

[Laurry]

So you're saying.... lets walk around naked? O.o

I live by myself and the dog doesn't seem to mind.  Besides, its easier to keep the dropped potato chips from getting stuck in my bra, and I save so much time doing laundry.   

.....Laurie

[Pica Pica]

for anyone with a feel for naturism, naked mango eating is great fun.

[Autumn]

Wishy,

For those of us outside of the black and white classifications, it's hard to find exactly where we fit. There are plenty of 'feminine' guys out there, and they don't even have to be gay. There's plenty of 'butch' straight women as well.

The question we ask, of course, is how many of them are just hiding the truth from others and themselves, but not everyone wants to lift weights every day. Not everyone likes pink, or wants to wear makeup. Some people can't throw a ball to save their lives, and can't walk in heels. We conform as best we can to the stereotypes of the gender we align with, because it's a constant uphill battle to ensure we fit in. But normal people don't have to do that, don't even consider it an issue. Heck, lots of normal, straight women enjoy mens' underwear for comfort... I don't imagine too many transwomen keep a pair of boxers around for lazy days, but I may be wrong.

I don't know how long you've been dealing with your personal hell, but it takes a while to piece things together. I was so gung-ho about my feelings when I first realized three years ago what I'd been repressing, or simply ignorant of the significance of because the feelings had always been there, but now that I've become better at coping with them, I find myself with new questions.

In your blog you say you've got additional hair growth and an adam's apple. Have you examined yourself down below for intersex traits? Not that it's a very common condition, but it'd be at least something to rule out.

[Lyric]

Among "society at large" most everybody feels the need to see themselves and each other as one of the two gender roles. Even within a sub community like this one, many of us have a strong desire to be defined as one gender. After years of inner struggle over this issue, I came to actually appreciate the uniqueness of possessing identity traits of both genders. This has sometimes manifested in being a "feminine guy" (though not an "effeminate guy") and sometimes the simple desire to feel thoroughly one or the other. This actually works for me, though socially it can be a bit of a challenge.

For health reasons, it's a good idea to find out if you possess physiologically androgynous traits, but even if you're just a "feminine guy", you'll probably have to be more creative than the average person in finding ways to satisfy the feminine part of yourself. I can say from my experience and from others I've encountered that inclinations toward femininity in males seem to increase rather than decrease with age. The most important thing is not to ignore it.

Pica Pica has the right idea about picking and running. Life is long enough you can always try something different later. I think the most important thing to about the whole gender ID thing is to realize that you are an individual and, while you may be different from many other people, it's OK to be you. In fact it can be a blast.

[jonjon]

after much thought about this and..... being whisked down memory lane with a few old photo's i discovered of myself living as a female... I have found myself again.

I am androgyne. There is no doubt about that. I see many different opinions from many different people about what androgyne really is, but truth is as long as you know from your heart, other peoples conceptions of it dont matter... My needs and my wants and the way i love to dress myself up.... i cant give it up. I have tried, through a tale of twisted and misguided conceptions, i've lead myself astray.

And.... witnessing my recent storms and comparing with every other TG.... looks like i'm going to have to get used to them, it looks like it's going to be a rocky journey ahead of me. But what i have to remember, i will always find myself and i will never loose myself: maybe misplace myself, but i could never loose myself.

I appreciate all those who replied to my thread and you have all taught me to be true to myself. And thats whats most important.

[Pica Pica]

Well done, and thanks for your complements.

If you misplace yourself again, we'll all keep eyes out.  (and if you see me somewhere, give me a bell I'd love to meet  myself.)

[Shana A]

It's good to ask ourselves these questions. Even if we think we're sure of who we are. I still occasionally question whether I'm really androgyne, or would I be happier fully transitioning to woman instead of living in between as neither.

zythyra

[jonjon]

It's good to ask ourselves these questions. Even if we think we're sure of who we are. I still occasionally question whether I'm really androgyne, or would I be happier fully transitioning to woman instead of living in between as neither.

zythyra

I will continue to pursue the GID issues and surgery for the male body i desperately need. I know i wont be fully happy until i have the body parts that i'm missing... and lack of body parts that shouldn't be there.

But i cant stray from the feminine lifestyle i led before all this. It's nice sometimes to slip into some comfy male clothing... but it's also nice to dress all up in tight fitting femme goth clothes

^.^