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Are my parents and family being disrespectful?

Started by Paige0000, July 28, 2013, 01:19:59 AM

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Paige0000

Hey girls I just read an interesting article about respecting transgender people and what caught my eye was this
"Respect their gender identity. Think of them as the gender they refer to themselves as and refer to them with their chosen name and gender pronoun (regardless of their physical appearance) from now on. (Unless they are not out, or tell you otherwise. Ask to be sure if or when there are times it is not okay.)"

Now my family have known about me being a woman for about 10 months now but they still refuse to call me by the proper pronouns associated with my gender. I mean I under stood early on as they were in a way losing their "son" and needed time to grieve but it seems regardless of how I've changed physically since starting hrt they still refuse to acknowledge me as a she.

Are they still grieving perhaps or are purposely doing this to spite me because that's how I feel sometimes and though I just smile and act like it isn't a big deal inside tt really hurts my heart and soul. I just wish they would at least try to start calling me she, or their daughter etc.

Well anyway I've carried on long enough please let me know your own opinions and maybe even tell me how your family got to finally using the correct name, pronouns and the like xx
Be yourself regardless of what other may think of you. Tis your life not theirs. :)
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rosetyler

Have you discussed this with them lately?  How much do they know about trans* matters?
Be yourself.  Everyone else is already taken.   :)
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Pia Bianca

Quote from: Paige0000 on July 28, 2013, 01:19:59 AM
Are they still grieving perhaps or are purposely doing this to spite me because that's how I feel sometimes and though I just smile and act like it isn't a big deal inside tt really hurts my heart and soul. I just wish they would at least try to start calling me she, or their daughter etc.

Well anyway I've carried on long enough please let me know your own opinions and maybe even tell me how your family got to finally using the correct name, pronouns and the like xx

As hard as that sounds: Try all you can to convince them (that means, discuss with them how you feel if they call you with a male name). If nothing works, you'll have to consider leaving them behind (or bear it).

That said, I unfortunately don't have anything to suggest to you on how to convince them. I'd say catch your mother alone and discuss your feelings with her. Normally mothers have the most issues with transitioning boy while fathers are proud on their girls and want them to stay female.

In my opinion convincing your mother means success, as she might be the reason the others do that. Additionally if your mother turns and uses femals pronouns on your, others might reconsider their own point of view.

Talking with one family mamber at a time makes it easier for you to convince them as they don't outnumber you.
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Paige0000

Quote from: rosetyler on July 28, 2013, 01:28:30 AM
Have you discussed this with them lately?  How much do they know about trans* matters?

Well they have leant a fair amount since I came out and they know calling me the wrong pronouns upsets me. However in the past whenever I bring it up they just get upset with me, saying I'm moving to fast (They even said this during a family therapy session stating that I shouldn't be starting hrt after only 3 months of gender therapy etc), or I'm not thinking how they feel about it.

I know if I say it they'll just get upset with me again (My sister even said I didn't care about how my family felt that I should respect how my family feels. "My thoughts-Even if it means I'm miserable"). It would just mean the world to me if my sister said hey sis or "She's doing this or that etc. Same with parents.
Be yourself regardless of what other may think of you. Tis your life not theirs. :)
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Pia Bianca

Are you living with or near them? I had issues with my brother on a daily basis. Since we both left our parents flat and took our own homes (about 20km seperated) while not seeing each other for long times, we have the best relationship ever. Now we live only a few km seperated but still have the best relationship you could have.

That said, I still have to see how he will react on me coming out.
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Angélique LaCava

its been 2 years since i came out to my parents and they still call me "he" and by my born name which is Gino. I only get respect outside my house. outside my house is when I get called her and she and Angelique but inside my house is a completely different story. some of yall may think I should do something about my family doing this but ive learned to ignore it cause nothing I do will change what they think and say. my parents tell me if I don't like what they call me then I should  move.
Edit: they let me dress any way I want. They do accept me cause if they didn't they would be forcing me to dress in boys cloths which they arnt. They even tell me I make a beautiful girl. So idk what wrong with my parents. I do think its disrespectful but what u going to do. You cant change peoples minds.
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Pia Bianca

Quote from: Angélique LaCava on July 28, 2013, 03:25:56 AM
You cant change peoples minds.
Yeah. If it's up to the point you are, it's either accept or leave. But that's a decision everybody has to do oneself.
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Amelia Pond

Honestly, it doesn't sound like they're being spiteful to me. It seems that they're having a really hard time accepting who you are.

However, their happiness is not more important than your's. I think it would be a good idea to sit down and have a talk with them about how they're making you feel and that this isn't something that's going to change and if they keep doing what they're doing, they might lost you altogether. Of course, don't put it as a threat or even necessarily in those words but I think they really need a reality check.

Amy
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Ltl89

If you came out 10 months ago and have been on hrt for that length of time, I think it's time for you to bring ir up.  These things take time and family needs time to heal, but they also should try ro respect your feelings on the matter.

In my case, my family refuses to use different pronouns.  Since I have only been on hrt for a month and a half, I don't think it's a battle worth having at this point.  So I can sympathize with your situation. 
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kathyk

Sometimes parents never get over the loss and grief.  You can hope they try, but your mother bore and suckled a beautiful baby boy, and your father bragged about that baby.  It's going to be difficult for them, so try to understand, and calmly discuss it when you can.  Even though I'm transsexual, I'd have the same painful grief if one of my sons confided a trans secret to me.

My parents died long before I started showing who I was.  But I've been married almost 35 years and even with all the changes JoAnn said she may never be able to call me Kathy.  I hurt her terribly, and there's anger, and grief in every word she says about it.   And so she somehow still sees the person she married.

Kathy





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Joanna Dark

I really don't understand the whole grief thing? What grief? You're not dying. You're becoming the oppiste: alive for once. The whole my "son has died" is ridiculous and points to lack of acceptance. Are you presenting female? I think this is a big part of getting gendered correctly. People are going to have a hard time saying "she" to someone in a football jersey and baggy shorts and trainers.

Some families prolly never gender correctly. Mine never will. But I simply am going to separate from them at some point. Most likely when I go full-time. I mean I look female all the time but I dress andro as I will get screamed at if I wear skinny jeans or and tops that show too much boobage.

Your parents sound acccepting for the most part so I would just be happy about that and not worry about the pronouns too much now as people will come around when they come around. The most I would do "if you're presenting female" is correct them when they say he. But don't tell them they have to. people don't respond well to being told what to do. Of course it all depends on how reasonable they are. All in all it sounds like you have a great thing going on. If persented female I would be kicked out and be selling myself on Kensington Avenue for money.
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kathyk

Grief.

I won't try to explain it.  I shouldn't have brought it up.  Sorry.

K





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Joanna Dark

Quote from: kathyk on July 28, 2013, 01:14:17 PM
Grief.

I won't try to explain it.  I shouldn't have brought it up.  Sorry.

K

I wasn't speaking to you directly Kathy. Sorry if you saw it that way. I just hear it a lot and don't think grief is the right term. I was born in a bad neighborhood, prolly one of the worst in the country, Kensington, and when I think of grief I see a mother keeling and wailing over her son's still twitching body as he struggles to hug her once last time before the life escapes from his eyes and his stare becomes blank. And then the mother starts screaming in agony. In the weeks after that mother, who used to smile, is stricken with unimaginable sadness, which I call grief.

So I just think non-acceptance is the right word. Or difficulties. But when it is calld grief in my mind it makes it out like being trans is this horrible affliction and it is, but transitioning is the cure and just like a parent should be happy when a child gets cured of cancer I feel like at some point they should be happy that their child is struggling for happiness. Now, I'm not saying there shouldn't be a rollercoaster of emotions but I think grief is superfluous. Escpecailly since grief has an end point: acceptance. Some parents disown their children forever. For a wife though who discovers her husband is trans, grief would be the right word since in many cases it means the dissolution of the marriage. And for a woman relationships are everything. I just think it is different for a parent because they should want happiness for their child.

Maybe I shouldn't post this. I could be wrong. I am a lot.

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Sephirah

Grief can take many forms, I think. It doesn't necessarily have to be for a physical death. It can also be for the death of an image. Often people create personas of who we are, inside their own minds. Whether this has any bearing on reality is secondary to how they see us. My mother did it. She built up an entire other person of who she thought I was. Her hopes, ambitions, dreams for me. She had my whole life planned out. Who I was going to be, what I was going to do. From the cradle to the grave, pretty much. In her mind, she knew me, saw me. That it wasn't the same me I saw... well... to her that didn't matter. And the same is true, I think for many people, and many parents. They think they know who you're going to be before you do.

"Timmy's gonna be a doctor, he's so smart. He's gonna be like that handsome doctor off the TV, you know the one! The one who has the nurses eating out of his hand. And we'll be so proud of him!"

The grief comes because of the emotional investment placed in that erroneous image. That self-created persona. The emotions associated with loss are just as real. In a sense it's the death of a perception. One which, in a person's mind, has been almost willed into reality. And is ultimately a selfish one. But that doesn't make the pain any less real, or heartfelt. I don't think it's non-acceptance of who you are, because I think until a certain point after you come out to people, they have to adjust to the fact, and get over the loss of who they think you are. The death of a phantasm which has ceased to be.

Perhaps there does need to be a period of adjustment, or grieving, before people who create reflections of you inside their own heads are able to look into the mirror of your own soul instead.

That's my take on it anyhow.
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3
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kathyk

Quote from: Joanna Dark on July 28, 2013, 01:45:50 PM
I wasn't speaking to you directly Kathy. Sorry if you saw it that way. ....

Oh my Joanna.  I don't take it personally and never have.  So please say what you need to hon, and I usually want to hear it all.  I'm right by your side when it comes to speaking up.  After all, in the past you gave me some good advice.

Hugs
K

And Sephirah.  You said it well.  Much better than I could.





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