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Fathering children

Started by Elsa.G, August 04, 2013, 04:46:46 AM

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Elsa.G

Ive noticed on a couple of these threads that childbearing is a popular topic, a lot of trans women wanna have children and such and that is the desire of a lot of human beings. There are a lot of mtf transsexuals who have fathered children in their time living as males, what i wanna know is what is the consensus about transwomen fathering children after transition and coming out? We are all aware that there are plenty of natural women who cannot have children usually due to medical reasons, but there are many transwomen who still have all the male plumbing who most certainly can father children. Is it more about the ability to give birth like females or just generally the desire to have children just for the desire to have babies? I know personally that i would like children and i know it will never be a possibility for me to actually give birth because of my unfortunate dna but i know that my desire to have children is great enough to be willing to father one, ive met many transwomen that think the idea of fathering a child is horrible and against their femininity- how do you feel about this topic?
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Jamie D

In the event the MtF transitioner wishes to be a biological parent, post-transition, it is advised that they sperm-bank.  Cross hormone therapy often leaves them sterile.
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anya921

Well for me It's the total experience from the day I know I am pregnant and till the day I give birth. ( Sadly some experience I will never have.) I never ever want to farther a baby, because that is not who I am. I will choose adoption over fathering a child, because in my heart I have always been a girl and woman and I will always be the "mom" to my babies.

But please understand ladies, I don't mean to offend or hurt anyone's feelings who want to have their own babies.
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Rachel

I am a father. My daughter is absolutely awesome in every way. I am going to the beach with her in 1 hour and we will have a great day.
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kathyk

From posts on other threads it seems some may have misunderstood my dysphoric little brain fart.  I don't want another child, and I already raised to fine sons.  But I've always said it's an incredibly important part of being a cis woman, and it's one terribly obvious thing I can never do.  Yes it used to bother me, but it's importance fades as I grow older, and fades faster as I transition.  Many women never have children for medical and personal reasons, and now I'm just one of these women.

And hey, being on the other side of the pregnancies and raising my boys was wonderful in a very different way.

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suzifrommd

Quote from: Elsa.G on August 04, 2013, 04:46:46 AM
I know personally that i would like children and i know it will never be a possibility for me to actually give birth because of my unfortunate dna but i know that my desire to have children is great enough to be willing to father one, ive met many transwomen that think the idea of fathering a child is horrible and against their femininity- how do you feel about this topic?

I have fathered two children.

It is very definitely, hands down, the most important and wonderful thing I have ever done.

It's what keeps the dysphoria at bay when I'm tempted to muse about what my female life would be like if I transitioned while I was still young and attractive.

BUT (and it's a major but)...

Parenting children is something that is far easier to do with a stable partner. The single parents I know have to make sacrifices and trade-offs that I did not. A child needs both a parent that thinks the world revolves around them and a parent who will make sure they develop the discipline needed for life in a difficult world. It's very hard for a single parent to play both roles.

So I would not recommend fathering a child unless you are partnered with someone who who will stick with you through and beyond any transition you'll feel the need to embark upon.
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Oriah

I got my partner pregnant one year and a few months after starting HRT.  We had assumed I was sterile, but there were some clues that suggested otherwise, so we decided to try anyway.  Our baby will be born in one month.

It raises some interesting questions though...my partner is trans as well and is considering HRT.....

I want to raise my child without our gender issues causing too much influence.  It causes us to ask a lot of questions we wouldn't have otherwise thought about...

I often wonder what a child's life would be like with trans-parents.
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Ltl89

Everyone is different.  However, it's not for me.  I want kids in the future, but I would hate to be thought of or seen as a father.  So it will have to be the adoption route for me.

Having said that, please do what you feel is best for you.  I think this is a very personal decision that you should decide alone.
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Tessa James

As a boy child I believed I would turn into a girl and become a mom.  Some of my most poignant memories are of being involved with helping to raise my many younger siblings and that included my mother breast feeding them.  OMG, just the thought of that warm and nurturing experience brings me peace.  I so wanted to do that too.  Puberty put and end to that and I tried to reconcile my dreams to the harsh and seemingly binary gender world of the 1950s in america.

In many ways I made choices that helped me to be part of a nurturing world and child care.  After being a Vietnam vet I became a nurse and then a nurse anesthetist eventually specializing in labor and delivery/obstetrics.  I also fathered two children I will love forever no matter how often there is pain associated with that role.  Having assisted and attended thousands of births the romantic visions of giving birth are gone while the emotional sense remains.  Yes fathering children is critically important but IMHO and experience does not compare to getting and being pregnant and carrying and delivering a baby.  We can share equally in much of raising our children and really, it is better with more of our family and village supportively involved.

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Sybil

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I wouldn't listen to anyone shooting down the idea of you producing biological children. Reproduction is a basic human right and you are entitled to its pursuit as much as any other human being. It is one of our most fundamental acts as forms of life and no amount of labels or aspersions will ever be able to deny you that truth.

As for the role of parenting itself, I believe the most valuable parent a child can have is simply stable, patient, attentive, and caring. Although the act of fertilizing an egg is technically "fathering," you don't need to be considered your child's father with proper planning (unless you would like to be). Many children have two mothers. If you are more interested in a male partner, then there are also trans women out there who have had their child born through a surrogate mother, and the male partner adopts the child as his or her father. If you prefer to remain single, then the surrogacy option is open for that, too.

Parenthood is powerfully influenced by proper planning. Whatever label or route you choose, I feel that your ultimate goal is simply to love, protect, and nurture the child, and any role is capable of doing that as long as the right person is in the position.

Although I have no intentions of having children myself, I can empathize with the inability to give birth causing frustration. It is one of the main reasons that I made my decision to remain childless. Despite that, I find it very important to encourage you towards parenthood regardless of your means of reproduction -- if that is truly what you want to do with your life. I really feel that is a decision that belongs to you and no one else, and that there are many options available to you that allow you to compromise little of your own dignity or desires. I really wish you the best, Elsa.

Edit: I wrote the wrong name!
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MadeleineG

Fatherhood rocks! I have a seven year old ds and he keeps me sane.

Knowing that HRT caused sterility caused me angst at around age 22-23. With the benefit of retrospect, the desire to sire my own genetic offspring probably contributed to my delaying transition until my thirties.

Maddy
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Magnolia88

Quote from: Oriah on August 04, 2013, 11:41:57 AM
I got my partner pregnant one year and a few months after starting HRT.  We had assumed I was sterile, but there were some clues that suggested otherwise, so we decided to try anyway.  Our baby will be born in one month.

It raises some interesting questions though...my partner is trans as well and is considering HRT.....

I want to raise my child without our gender issues causing too much influence.  It causes us to ask a lot of questions we wouldn't have otherwise thought about...

I often wonder what a child's life would be like with trans-parents.

Congratulations! That baby will be lucky to be raised by you both.  he or she will have such an open mind from an early age thanks to you both.

I've thought a lot about this and I think I want to do it. I've always wanted my own biological child and while I never wanted these parts, I feel like it would be turning a negative into a positive for them to provide something wonderful and life changing for me before I part ways with them so at least something great could come out of having them. I still want to adopt definitely, but I would also love to have a baby me to take care of.
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Dahlia

Quote from: Oriah on August 04, 2013, 11:41:57 AM
I got my partner pregnant one year and a few months after starting HRT.  We had assumed I was sterile, but there were some clues that suggested otherwise, so we decided to try anyway.  Our baby will be born in one month.

It raises some interesting questions though...my partner is trans as well and is considering HRT.....

I want to raise my child without our gender issues causing too much influence.  It causes us to ask a lot of questions we wouldn't have otherwise thought about...

I often wonder what a child's life would be like with trans-parents.


How about birth defects....caused by your HRT...............?
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Lesley_Roberta

My son is the greatest thing to happen to me.

Sadly the process was a male process, the usual male process, a grunt a groan and a smile and my part was over.

I will not be getting the pleasure of the other portion of the process.

But I have to admit, as much as I wish I could be a mom, I am resolved to be a mum, and my ears to be honest, don't care for the words father or dad any more than they do mr him his, he  and all the rest of the masculine terminology.

This year I made it known, on mother's day I was celebrating mum's day along with the girls. There wasn't a father's day this year and there won't be any more in the future either.

I think if I had to go the parenthood routine it would need to be as a mum or not at all.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I am a woman, and these parts are not welcome in my life. I don't want to save any of the sperm from them either.
Well being TG is no treat, but becoming separated has sure caused me more trouble that being TG ever will be. So if I post, consider it me trying to distract myself from being lonely, not my needing to discuss being TG. I don't want to be separated a lot more than not wanting to be male looking.
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Jamie D

Quote from: Dahlia on August 05, 2013, 12:07:15 PM

How about birth defects....caused by your HRT...............?

Unlikely in any event.  I know of no credible study that links birth defects to MtF cross hormone therapy.  Do you?
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Cassandra Hyacinth

Well personally, I can't see myself ever wanting children. And actually, I'm grateful for the fact that I'll never be pregnant - pregnancy sounds like a pretty horrible process to be honest. :/
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MadeleineG

Quote from: Cassandra Hyacinth on August 05, 2013, 04:52:57 PM
Well personally, I can't see myself ever wanting children. And actually, I'm grateful for the fact that I'll never be pregnant - pregnancy sounds like a pretty horrible process to be honest. :/

Agreed. Any time I encounter trans people mourning the loss of pregnancy, I think of what a horribly dysphoric experience it was for my very cis wife. Not exactly a barrel of laughs.

Maddy
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Lesley_Roberta

Quote from: Cassandra Hyacinth on August 05, 2013, 04:52:57 PM
Well personally, I can't see myself ever wanting children. And actually, I'm grateful for the fact that I'll never be pregnant - pregnancy sounds like a pretty horrible process to be honest. :/

I can't agree, but having no point of reference, I am at a loss to be too energetic too.

Women DIE in childbirth and not to small an amount of times.

But the ability to create life, it is something sad to be casual about being glad to never have the need/option/interest.

I can't begin to say how sad I would be to be unable to have been a parent through the normal process.
I think offering a childless couple a new born infant to raise as their own from day one, while not 100% the same, is still probably the greatest gift a woman can offer. I just wish more abortions were avoided in favour of this great gift when possible. Please though no debates about abortion.

I am just saying, I would not want a person to casually walk out on being a parent. I am likely only alive thanks to my son giving me a reason to live.
Well being TG is no treat, but becoming separated has sure caused me more trouble that being TG ever will be. So if I post, consider it me trying to distract myself from being lonely, not my needing to discuss being TG. I don't want to be separated a lot more than not wanting to be male looking.
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Oriah

Quote from: Magnolia88 on August 05, 2013, 06:57:15 AM
Congratulations! That baby will be lucky to be raised by you both.  he or she will have such an open mind from an early age thanks to you both.

I've thought a lot about this and I think I want to do it. I've always wanted my own biological child and while I never wanted these parts, I feel like it would be turning a negative into a positive for them to provide something wonderful and life changing for me before I part ways with them so at least something great could come out of having them. I still want to adopt definitely, but I would also love to have a baby me to take care of.

Thanks for the encouraging words!
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Oriah

Quote from: Dahlia on August 05, 2013, 12:07:15 PM

How about birth defects....caused by your HRT...............?

I don't think it works like that.....
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