help please? :(

[Kei22]

Hello everyone!. Just wanted to see if you guys can shade some light to my problem.

You see i want to look more masculine,almost androgynous but leaning on the masculine side more,but sadly i cannot achieve that with girl clothes because they stick to your figure.

But here is the catch. I'm insanely short. My mom say's thst because of the way am build i cannot use guy clothes because i would look like i'm in a costume. In short,i would look bad.

But i can't achieve the level of comfyness and look that i want*nor calm my dysphoria*

I measure  4.11...  Yes. I know i'm VERY short and on top if that. Lean.

Here is a pic of me:



What can i do?

Apparently short guys are feeaking ugly.

PD: Thats not my room :p

*be brutally honest*

[Kia]

My mom say's that because of the way am build i cannot use guy clothes because i would look like i'm in a costume. In short,i would look bad.

This just simply not true. I went to an all boys high school and there were some tiny and I mean tiny guys there and they never looked bad. Maybe a little adorable like bite size candies, but they never looked ridiculous. You might have trouble finding clothes that fit right, but no more than I would as a 5'11" male-bodied person in the women's.

Somethings to think about would be not just fashion but posture and body shape. "Men" stereotypically carry weight in the shoulders whereas 'women" carry weight in the hips. This accounts for the feminine hip sway and the masculine sort of swagger. Hold stress in the shoulders; the body language isn't so much aggressive as it is powerfully confident. This can all be bettered by building more muscle in the upper body: arms, chest, and I notice on my body that the trapezius really hurts my fem look. (that's this one http://www.coopersguns.com/content/exercise-encyclopedia/photos/trap.jpg)

When you're looking at clothes look for straight (horizontal and vertical) lines in the cut of the shirt or pants; though if you're going for jeans they seem to get more and more andro everyday. like in you're pic I think the shorts are fine, but you may want to avoid the athletic cut of shirts since they are also form fitting. Then there's also your hair to consider but it's no deal breaker I've known guys and girls who get mistaken for guys with like that super long, straight headbanger look. But really if you had like a baggy t-shirt in that pic I'd say you'd've hit you're mark.

finding the right style can be hard but that's all I got hope it helps and happy experimenting!

PD: Thats not my room :p

Good cuz I was gonna say something

Edit Addendum: So I just looked through you're other posts and The one with the super cool One Piece shirt (which I'm super jealous of btw), that's it that's a good andro look.

[Kei22]

Thank you!! Yes i do stand more tall now and then,i'm just accustome to being a little slunched over.

Meh,i dont like how i look here but gonna leave it for the sake of criticism :p



Side note: ONE PIECE! ASSFGHJJKN.

[Athena]

Go to the local comic shop and buy a mens t-shirt. These shirts hide breasts and make women look a bit more masculine. I had a girl with fairly large breasts come in to the store that I work at and she tried on a "male" t-shirt and she did look less feminine in my eyes anyways. Also wear the t-shirts loose don't tuck them in it may make you look heavier but will cover your breasts somewhat.

[Kim 526]

Hi Kei22,
I remember years ago my mom said, "oh no, honey - you're a big man and nobody would ever take you seriously as a woman." That rings familiar with what you wrote that your mom said to you about wearing guys' clothes.

I was mature enough to make my own decision, which I did. I did not blame my mom for trying to derail my transition, although it irritated me at the time. Don't allow anyone to derail you, wherever your journey takes you. Your life is your jewel.

Hugs,

Kim

[Lyric]

Well,    Kei, the pants and shirt look is more masculine, but since the shirt is fairly sheer, you're not hiding anything. Completely opaque shirts are the only way to go for this. I'd suggest going to a thrift store. I love these because all the clothes are out on hangers and nobody cares what you try on. Go through the men's shirt section, look at yourself in the mirror and see if you like something. Prices tend to be quite low, too, so you can stock up if you want.

~ Lyric ~

[Jamie D]

We have several androgynous FAAB (female assigned at birth) members who post here.  Some have had top surgery.  Some express androgyny through through dress and style (hair cuts, attitude, etc).

I will shake a few trees in here in the forest and see what falls out.   

[aleon515]

Jamie shook my particular tree. Not sure exactly why. I'm non-binary in my brain, but I am passing about half the time and am on a full dose of T (and probably will pass in a year or so).

You absolutely will NOT look like your in a costume wearing men's clothes as  it is completely common, not even considered cross dressing. Actually no one looks at you funny or anything. I am 5'1". And there are trans guys here who are my size passing every single day at 100%. There are short cisguys too. There's a tumblr devoted to short guys:
http://f***yeahshortguys.tumblr.com/
You spell the f*** correctly. LOL.

I have a bit more trouble with pants and my sleeves. I usually go to the thrift stores. Someone said Old Navy has good sizes. They do carry extra small shirts and so on.
http://www.ftmguide.org/shortmensclothes.html  has some helpful stuff, even if you don't go for the whole T thing.

I agree with sheer not usually being a guy thing. You really may not want to wear women's shirts even if tailored and so on. The cut is usually different where they are trying to get more "flattering" lines thru darts and even slight indenting on the sides.


--Jay

[TerriT]

Go to the local comic shop and buy a mens t-shirt. These shirts hide breasts and make women look a bit more masculine. I had a girl with fairly large breasts come in to the store that I work at and she tried on a "male" t-shirt and she did look less feminine in my eyes anyways. Also wear the t-shirts loose don't tuck them in it may make you look heavier but will cover your breasts somewhat.

I could die laughing.

I did buy some girls comic tanks and tops at SDCC though:)

I have nothing useful to add to this thread. Erm, you could try wearing hoodies or plain t-shirts.

[ativan]

I think the point is that mens T's are cut much straighter and are less fitted.
Although that is changing somewhat. I can find fitted mens clothes at most stores.
And jeans are getting very androgynous. But men's are still cut differently.
Small ass and no hips. plus a little more room in the crotch.
Hoodies and never tuck your shirt in.
Buy shoes that are most definitely mens styles and get them a little larger.
Guys also have a tendency to wear worn out clothes.
But finding them at thrift shops is usually hard.
They hang on to them until they literally fall apart on the last time they will ever get washed.
Garage sales is the best way to find some half ways worn out mens clothes.

The cut makes the most difference.
I can wear camo cargo pants and a tight t and look feminine from behind if the pants are cut right.
Baggy pants can help hide hips, let your shirts hang loose over your waist and wear a binder id you need to.
But this is way out of my league as a MAAB.
Ativan

[black_moon_dust]

I agree with Ativan's post.

Find men shirts that done have that classical fitted seam. Men's shirts hang straighter due to the cut. Though they are now having mens shirts fitted, look for just norm t-shirts. Since women are wider in their hips and men are wider in the shoulders, look for jeans that are a bit loose but not so terribly baggy. Dont tuck in shirts but leave them untucked. Find a good binder as well if the shirts still seem to be showing a more feminine frame due to the breasts. Try a layered look. Obviously by going and looking at shirts that are already layered. I am 5'2" and have a tiny build, i honestly have to buy the bigger sizes in little boys just to get clothes to fit me. I mostly wear the layer look with my binder and jeans. Cargo pants are usually a good choice since they usually arent tampered with as far as cut. But there are pairs out there.

[Taka]

shaken, not stirred... (thanks to jamie)

being short doesn't make a person more masculine or feminine. right now i live and am trying to settle in an area where short seems to be the norm. my brother who stand those full 6' tall sticks more out than the guys who can't even reach up to 5'. i'm almost 5'3", and often meet guys who are the same height as or even shorter than me. some of them might look good in a dress, but many of them would look simply ridiculous trying to wear female clothing just because they're small.

ativan pretty much summed up how to dress masculine. only men with the perfect triangular shape, broad shoulders and narrow hips, can get away with tucking their shirt. men's wear is to be worn until it starts falling apart. pants tend to do that a little faster for me since they aren't really made for my thighs (but i've finally learned how to use a sewing machine, so i'm not planning to waste money on clothes quite yet). regular t-shirts, the almost perfectly square things, are great for hiding the waist. hiding breasts is a little more difficult, often requires a binder. but even with a binder it's hard to hide a large chest, and then it's great to hide at least the difference between chest and waist size.

i myself have ended up compromising a little. there's no point in me trying to be ambiguous about my gender, since everybody here have known me as a girl for most of my life, so instead i just wear clothes that make me feel good, without worrying about passing. i don't need to pass as a guy or be treated 100% as one, just not look too feminine all the time. if you saw my latest pic in the you look alright thread, that's a men's t-shirt, bought a faab at a very regular men's store. nobody even blinked at me trying that and other shirts on. that's how i look in it wearing a bra, you can't see how big my chest actually is in it, because it's cut straight. it would be even more difficult if it were a little looser around my chest.