HRT alternatives phytoestrogen/ bioidentical hormones

[lucy aylett]

whats really interesting me is with the advancements in DNA manipulation and our new ability to grow ant part of the human body the possibility of true non cosmetic sexual reasignment will likely come to pass within our lifetime.

[Joanna Dark]

whats really interesting me is with the advancements in DNA manipulation and our new ability to grow ant part of the human body the possibility of true non cosmetic sexual reasignment will likely come to pass within our lifetime.

There is the problem of rejection. That and we will be the last people that get help. I wouldn't wait for this that's for sure.

[Bardoux]

Joanna you could just be lactose intolerant?

[lucy aylett]

There is the problem of rejection. That and we will be the last people that get help. I wouldn't wait for this that's for sure.

there is no rejection issues because body parts are grown from the DNA of the person you plan to use the body part with. and when it comes to DNA manipulation scientist are going mad for the chance to mess with things like gender coz its 1 of the biggest parts of dna

[Joanna Dark]

Joanna you could just be lactose intolerant?

I'm not lactose intolerant. It's a fact that milk stimulates androgen receptors. I started looking it up because I noticed after every time I drank milk I would break out. Now if you enjoy milk, keep drinking it. It will prolly have zero effect if it has not before. But with me I know it does something. I'm talking a lot of milk though not a glass or two.

there is no rejection issues because body parts are grown from the DNA of the person you plan to use the body part with. and when it comes to DNA manipulation scientist are going mad for the chance to mess with things like gender coz its 1 of the biggest parts of dna

I think the focus is on heart transplants not growing uteruses for MTFs. If you are waiting for this you are going to be waiting a long time. And even then you are going to need 10s of millions of dollars. Why not just start regular HRT now? I simply can't wait for things like this personally, no matter how nice they sound.

[lucy aylett]

i didn't say anything about waiting for it i expressed a interest in the way the technology would allow trans people to be who they REALLY are. moneys not the issue i have access to that kind of funds what would be the problem with this technology is the restrictions placed on it

[Joanna Dark]

I meant if you would have a uterus and ovaries implanted in you, why not just transition now with traditional HRT, which would be much safer?

[lucy aylett]

i am doing the normal way. the whole point of the thread i created was to discuss alternatives not just for me but for newcomers too who are interested about it

[Asfsd4214]

Why yes I can provide evidence for my hypothesis. Here it is:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1600-0625.2009.00924.x/pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2715202/'

Choice quote:

The evidence assembled here suggests that dairy-sourced hormones, not being subject to any innate feedback inhibition, may be the source of the androgenic and mitogenic progestins that drive acne, prostate and breast cancer. This is the most promising unitary hypothesis available to explain the etiology of diverse diseases that blemish, scar, shorten and take the lives of millions.

It also thought that dairy intake stimulates 5-aR and DHT and androgen recpetors. It is highly androgenic and as such shouldn't be touched with a 10 foot pole by MTF transsexuals. I know from my own experience if I consume too much dairy I break out. I'm sure a little is okay but why chance it?

It is not evidence to a hypothesis to simply quote the same, more detailed hypothesis given by someone else. (The first article)

It is a profound disservice to oversimplify this by simply saying "milk is androgenic". Nobody here is going to sit you down and make you drink milk, but please try to refrain from being alarmist. I simply don't think the articles you posted are anything like the smoking gun you treat them as.

The first isn't evidence of anything nor does it particularly claim itself to be. I fail to see how the second directly implies "milk is androgenic in relation to human sexual characteristics" and that proposition is fairly unsupported by the overwhelming evidence.

Most likely milk like other aspects of diet do indeed have significant (from an endocrinological perspective) hormonal influences, but that is a long way from claiming the kind of dramatic conclusions you propose.

[kelly_aus]

It is not evidence to a hypothesis to simply quote the same, more detailed hypothesis given by someone else. (The first article)

It is a profound disservice to oversimplify this by simply saying "milk is androgenic". Nobody here is going to sit you down and make you drink milk, but please try to refrain from being alarmist. I simply don't think the articles you posted are anything like the smoking gun you treat them as.

The first isn't evidence of anything nor does it particularly claim itself to be. I fail to see how the second directly implies "milk is androgenic in relation to human sexual characteristics" and that proposition is fairly unsupported by the overwhelming evidence.

Most likely milk like other aspects of diet do indeed have significant (from an endocrinological perspective) hormonal influences, but that is a long way from claiming the kind of dramatic conclusions you propose.

Most of the studies, other research and anecdotal evidence I've read actually suggests that cow's milk will lower tesosterone and increase estrogens and progestins.

[Joanna Dark]

Most of the studies, other research and anecdotal evidence I've read actually suggests that cow's milk will lower tesosterone and increase estrogens and progestins.

That is what I thought too kelly. In fact my one friend used to tell me to stop drinking milk all the time a couple years ago as I had 36 A/small Bs pre-HRT and a female shape, though it wasn't that female just a bit of a round butt. But he thought the reason I looked like that was from the estrogen in milk. I read that the estrogen in milk from farmers fattening them up with hormones is not bilogically active estrogen so it wouldn't do anything.

I don't think anyone on HRT has much to worry about in that milk prolly won't affect HRT at all. But for a pre-HRT teenager or someone in their early 20s, I think the milk could cause some maculization that may not have occured without it. What I do know is that when I drink milk I get acne. In fact i have a zit not and I think that is what caused it. Several years ago I had a major drinking problem and I stopped but still went to the bars but drank milk instead. A a month later I got the worst acne I have ever had and it really hirt my face. I have pock marks now that I wouldn't have had otherwise. I'm going to get my face laser resurfaced to get rid of them. They're really shallow but I am certain it is the milk. I don't know if milk causes any masculinzation and it prolly doesn't but it does cause acne. That is a pretty established fact. That what the studies are related too. If you go on and PCOS or acne forum for women you will see they all tell each other to not drink milk. It is pretty well known in these online communities.

I know it flies in the face of what we think, or thought, we knew but it seems very believable to me. I just think why chance it? I am talking lots of milk and ice cream though. Not a glass a day. You are on CPA so you have nothing to worry about but it could affect other people, especially pre-HRT young trans girls. I think people should know this. People can decide for themselves but knowledge is power. I'm not even going to answer the other poster as she thinks smoking is fine. I hate arguing. But if you don't ever get acne Kelly, then no worries for you.

[Joanna Dark]

It is not evidence to a hypothesis to simply quote the same, more detailed hypothesis given by someone else. (The first article)

Uh, excuse me? it is called being creative when writing.  Milk is androgenic. It is a fact and can not be disputed. Oh wait, you don't even believe smoking is bad for HRT in any way. 'nuff said. BTW, providing knowledge to people is never a disservice. Who are you to try to silence me because that is obviously your intention. Attack my argument not me. You will get more bees with honey, sweetie. Try being nice for a change. Is it that hard? REALLY.

BTW, they are scientists with documented evidence. You are some random forum poster who comes on here and makes fun of people all the time. How rude. UGH.

EDIT: How about if I'm so wrong, someone post a study showing milk is estrogenic. MYTHs are not FACTS.

[Flan]

There's a lot of food substances that have effects that mimic hormones. Micromanaging hormones down to the food level isn't going to get things done faster than simply eating a quality diet.

Since we can't seem to play nice about this without a lot of virtual testosterone this is locked.