Susan's Place Logo

News:

Please be sure to review The Site terms of service, and rules to live by

Main Menu

I have RLE Anxiety

Started by Jean24, August 23, 2013, 03:14:17 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Jean24

I have only been out of the closet for a few months but this is by far the biggest obstacle for me. I don't want to go full time except in circumstances when I have to. The way I see it is that as long as I'm stuck as a male I may as well dress like one. It seems easier to simply bind any breasts I might develop as a result of hormones and dress in my clothes while slowly getting hair removal and other feminizing procedures. I just don't see any point in dressing like a girl when I will not pass.
Trying to take it one day at a time :)
  •  

big kim

Go with what you are comfortable with.I spent just over 2 years from coming out to full time having electrolysis and growing my hair out so I had a good start when I went full time.
  •  

Sammy

We each are different - different in our physique, location, social and cultural environment. I believe that SoC fails to grasp to this and besides the WPATH idea of RLE is really applicable only in open-minded traditionally western cultures. In the place where I live, I would be MUCH safer as a woman with some masculine features or androgynous girl than someone who is openly a man in female clothes. So, I took an advice from other members here on the board, which I found to be very sound and reasonable one...
Instead of going out fully open and risk loosing everything – personal ties, job, other issues – loosing which, by the way, would impede my further transition – instead, I am taking small steps, one by one, and seeing where they are leading me. The essense is to gradually shift the presentation from openly male towards the female spectrum – to the extent when it would be impossible to deny what is before of their eyes. It allows maneuvering and experimenting for my side, and is much easier to accept for other people. So, patience is our ultimate virtue here.
:)
  •  

JoanneB

I tend to agree with putting off a full transition (not necessarily the same as RLE) untill you have to. I differentiate between the two since for about 3 years I was living part-time as a woman while being male for work and a few other things as required. So I feel a fair amount of real life experience as well as fairly confident in knowing I can be happy living as a woman as well as being seen as and accepted as one in many areas.

Since I most don't feel I "Need" to transition to full-time, I have no need to see how the employment aspect will work out. That is fairly crucial in my life right now. So for now, I get through each day the best ways I know how to while balancing out all my needs as well as those that rely on me
.          (Pile Driver)  
                    |
                    |
                    ^
(ROCK) ---> ME <--- (HARD PLACE)
  •  

suzifrommd

I've always thought that the required RLE was a bit too prescriptive. It assumes the progression always culminates in a transition. One could easily imagine people who want the physical changes but not the social changes.

Why do we find it easier to accept the opposite (people who transition without surgery) but not the people who might want surgery without transitioning?
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
  •  

mrs izzy

Just one little thing about starting the RLT or RLE is remember to breathe.

Wish you a safe passage on your lifes path.

Izzy
Mrs. Izzy
Trans lifeline US 877-565-8860 CAD 877-330-6366 http://www.translifeline.org/
"Those who matter will never judge, this is my given path to walk in life and you have no right to judge"

I used to be grounded but now I can fly.
  •  

lovelessheart

just do whats best for you. rome warmt built in a day.
  •  

anjaq

#7
Thinking back, the way I did that back then was to start with adding many feminine aspects to my presentation. I bent the presentation so far that I got perceived as a girl at times, but mostly that was not so. I was a student then. I did this with clothing in part (sort of hippie clothes) but probably mostly by letting my manners and expressions go free. Giving off female energy one could say. Then I did my coming out to friends and started visiting group meetings. I did a bit of experimenting at that stage in going out presenting fully female when I was in these groups and on some other private occasions. Then comes a part I am not allowed to endorse but since the therapists wanted 12 months of RLT before HRT, I self administered (but I did let my GP do regular blood tests!) to get body changes while I was still a part-timer, at that stage increasingly presenting as a young woman at home in the shared student appartments and we went out partying as well. I took a break from studying then and went on to do some part time jobs in sequence and used that one to go fulltime. I also started to see a therapist at that time. When he asked me about going fulltime I was almost ready for that, having presented in my gender at home for many months, at parties for some months but not while studying. I did already see changes big time due to the HRT and my increased confidence and practice in terms of presentation (like covering that darn facial hair properly and choosing clothes that fit my persona and age and circumstances). So I went for the RLT after a year or so of part time experience and combined it with a change in work. I was lucky as when I told the therapist about self administering, he agreed to make this official and let a doctor check this as he saw that he could not stop me anyways. But as I understand it, many therapists only require 3 months or even no RLT at all to prescribe HRT, in that case I would not have gone that way.
So my tip would be to go slow, go part time, get experience, get comfortable, let your female expression creep into the male presentation if you like (they may start to think you are gay - screw them). Get a therapist who will not let you wait forever until HRT. If you are comfy enough in part time and have confidence that you will not loose the jobb or have a new job you can take up, you can make the change at work. I found it easier to just switch the jobs I had and start the new one already fully in RLE so I saved me the embarassment of outing in front of all except the boss and secretary who had my papers. I did crappy jobs at that time though, so this may not be an option if you have to pay for SRS yourself, in which case job and saving that money may be a priority.

  •  

Emmaline

I know how you feel but something changed recently that I thought I would share.
I was terrified and wanted to wait until that male fail stage around six-seven months of hormones where the face starts to noticeably feminize.  I was happy waiting.

You know what?  I am bursting at the seams to part time now.


I am still going to wait til I start to pass, and stick to safe venues with my friends... but darn it, I want out!

I hope that switch flips in you too.   :-*
Body... meet brain.  Now follow her lead and there will be no more trouble, you dig?



  •  

abbyt89

Quote from: Emmaline on September 26, 2013, 08:38:43 AM
I know how you feel but something changed recently that I thought I would share.
I was terrified and wanted to wait until that male fail stage around six-seven months of hormones where the face starts to noticeably feminize.  I was happy waiting.

You know what?  I am bursting at the seams to part time now.


I am still going to wait til I start to pass, and stick to safe venues with my friends... but darn it, I want out!

I hope that switch flips in you too.   :-*

This is exactly what happened to me. I was content with staying in boy mode as long as I had to and was also quite nervous about going full-time. In fact my original plan was to wait until this December when I would be on hormones for 14 months to go full-time because I figured I would hopefully pass by then.

Well the changes started to become noticeable around 7-8 months in and that's when the thought of RLE went from anxiety to excitement. I couldn't wait to go full-time so I immediately accelerated other parts of my transition (namely my legal changes and voice surgery) and went full-time at 9 months. I'm surprised at how not nervous I was, and I think a lot of that is due to the fact that I finally feel comfortable in my body.
  •  

Ltl89

Hey Gene,

Wow can I relate, lol.  Passing is key for me, and I know just what you are saying.  At the same time, I've been dying to end the charade and start living as the real me.  Not being able to do so is making me feel depressed and anxious.  So, it very conflicting.  At the end of the day, you do what you feel is best. My decision is to wait till I reach 6 months of spiro and e (end of January) to begin serious part time.  Depending on how well that goes, I will then jump into full time shortly after (hopefully). In the meantime, I'll keep working on the things I need to do in order to prepare for game time.  Remember, we all have different experiences and paths.  Do what's best for you. 
  •  

Zumbagirl

Quote from: Gene24 on August 23, 2013, 03:14:17 AM
I have only been out of the closet for a few months but this is by far the biggest obstacle for me. I don't want to go full time except in circumstances when I have to. The way I see it is that as long as I'm stuck as a male I may as well dress like one. It seems easier to simply bind any breasts I might develop as a result of hormones and dress in my clothes while slowly getting hair removal and other feminizing procedures. I just don't see any point in dressing like a girl when I will not pass.

If you skip over the standards and all the other legal mumbo jumbo, and just ignore that all for a second. It always comes down to staring down the cliff of going full time and the leap of faith that goes with it or staying where one is. I can only say that's about your own personal comfort. I myself would never have gone full time unless I had a plan to do it and felt I was ready. I had the physical aspects accounted for (electrolysis, hormones, hair, voice, ffs), the social aspects I simply had no experience in, and the legal aspects such as being able to show up for work every day, I learned the hard way.

I "wanted" full time so badly that it was all I could think of. I did everything as fast as possible so that I wouldn't find myself in genderless limbo for too long. Once my hair started getting long, and it was becoming obvious that the facial hair was disappearing and the hormones were making me look younger, I knew it was just a matter of time. But i did it when I felt I was ready enough that I could pull it off.

Believe me when I went full time, day 1, did I pass? Not a chance in hell. I may have been physically ready but I bet if I could look back now into my past, I am pretty sure I would get a good chuckle out of looking at me on some old video.
  •  

ErinM


Quote from: Emmaline on September 26, 2013, 08:38:43 AM
I know how you feel but something changed recently that I thought I would share.
I was terrified and wanted to wait until that male fail stage around six-seven months of hormones where the face starts to noticeably feminize.  I was happy waiting.

You know what?  I am bursting at the seams to part time now.


I am still going to wait til I start to pass, and stick to safe venues with my friends... but darn it, I want out!

I hope that switch flips in you too.   :-*

This was me as well, only with going full time. I work in retail and face members of the public every day.

In July at 15 months of HRT I decided "to heck with it". Male fail may never come for me 100% so why hold up my life waiting? I was getting tired of the double life thing and got to the point where I just wanted to move forward. I decided I would transition at work and legally in October.

Things changed a little (got more excited and impatient) and I ended up moving my date up to September. The funny thing was after that decision I started regularly getting gendered as female by customers at work while still presenting male. I just took that as a sign that my arbitrary decision was right.
  •  

Ms. OBrien CVT

For me, it came down to the day I could not go on living as a male.  A day will come when you know that it is time to go fulltime.  And on that day, you will no longer fear anything.  You will be you and that is all that matters.

  
It does not take courage or bravery to change your gender.  It takes fear of living one more day in the wrong one.~me
  •  

Cindy

As others have said don't sweat the anxiety. You will know when. Mine came when women at work said they liked my Bohemian look. Polished nails, ear rings, tunic tops and leggings. They also said that I seemed so much happier and that was nice to see.

I told them at that moment that I was transgender and starting RLE, I had to explain what it was. Next day I arrived as me in a skirt and top. Every woman in my place had polished their nails.

No problems at all, it was time. I used the female toilet from that day on.

I could never go back.

Just ease into it -and this may sound silly, but enjoy it!  Very soon you will be just another woman in the crowd of half the population of the world.

  •  

anjaq

Quote from: ErinM on September 29, 2013, 03:38:44 PM
The funny thing was after that decision I started regularly getting gendered as female by customers at work while still presenting male. I just took that as a sign that my arbitrary decision was right.
Yes thats how such decisions work :)
Its funny and I cannot explain it sciency, but its like by making that decision, you tell the nonmaterial world that you did it and the world gets it without you actually doing everything in a material way.

  •  

PrincessDayna

I think the most i portant aspect to any transition is to take it at ones own comfortable pace! I get some people take time to transition, as we all do. Each of us stands in our own unique positions. For me, there really was no other option then full time. Sometimes i get misgendered as a male, but im still young into HRT, and basicly dove into it, like I do everything in life. Its a different perspective then slowly transitioning, in so many ways, and is a hell of a challenge. Mostly, people prolly think Im a soft butch lesbian. Which, is kind of true anyways, so hey lol. Im very femme in my actions, and approach to people amd situations. But Im very jeans and t shirt type kind of woman. No male clothes though, but at this stage my hair is still growing, and i need facial hair removal. If i were to give a pass ratio right now, Id say its 60/40, which while not the most comfortable, is slowly getting there to all the time status. Im just waiting on my new birth cert to arrive, really. Some people would say I took this really fast, some could say its a RLE mixed with HRT. I just look at it like high speed transition, really. To me, slowly doing so would have been torture, I have waited not only long enough putting this off, but work wise, i work with the mentally challenged. So to slowly become a woman in front of the eyes of the clients I care for every day would be detrimental to my job. As far as home/ social life, I look at it like an awkward phase where its akin to puberty. I mean, thats what HRT is right? But to slowly trickle into a female role would have felt odd, to me. I would rather people approach me with that 40% androgynous, 60% female then 100% male when it comes to appearance and interaction. I just felt to be taken serious in this with the conservative family we have, my wife and me needed to dive into this in full, which we did, and its all for the better. We both had high anxiety over how we would be treated in this, and those fears are all but gone now, minus o ly two family members. We arent complaining, it was def easier in most regards then we thought, asside from a slight embaressment at the secretary of state office on my attempt to get my liscence without knowing the proper procedure. They wanted a birth cert over a notarized physicians letter, so they are getting it lol. They deny fixing my gender marker once that arrives, its a lawsuit. But i am rambling on. I think in the end there are sooo many factors in each individuals life, that transition needs to mirror and balance out with those needs accordingly, otherwise it is itself detrimental to its sole purpose, and that is to smoothly intergrate into society as the right gender. :)
"Self truth is evident when one accepts self awareness.  From such, serenity". ~Me  ;)



  •  

Paige

Thanks Gene24 for starting this thread.  It's amazing how often someone asks a question that hits home.  I love Susan's Place. 
  •  

Emmaline

Whats nice for me is that its a good mix of 'oh my gosh thats ME exactly!' as well as the whole gamut of  experiences.

Body... meet brain.  Now follow her lead and there will be no more trouble, you dig?



  •  

brianna1016

Quote from: Ms. OBrien CVT on September 29, 2013, 03:49:50 PM
For me, it came down to the day I could not go on living as a male.  A day will come when you know that it is time to go fulltime.  And on that day, you will no longer fear anything.  You will be you and that is all that matters.
Damn straight. I went full time months before even thinking about hrt. I just simply could not stand the thought of presenting male any longer. It was exciting and scary and liberating. I just jumped right in. Everything has gotten easier and easier since then.
  •