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I can't talk to girls.

Started by Liminal Stranger, August 27, 2013, 10:53:08 PM

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Liminal Stranger

I was waiting on a bench for my mother to finally come out of Sears (lame department store) in the huge mall (also lame) by my house after coming out of Gamestop (only thing in there that isn't lame aside from the delicious chocolate chip muffins and Best Buy), half-playing my game and half in disbelief that I had to teach the guy working the counter how to properly start a distribution event. This really cute girl walked by with her friend and caught my attention, and I guess I was staring or something because she smiled at me and said hi. I gave her a tight smile back and felt myself turn red, which made the two of them giggle.

D'oh.

I wanted to say something so badly, but my vocal cords decided not to exist at that moment. Though knowing my luck, I would have had some huge crack or something, yay puberty. Happened again today while waiting for her in a shady spot, the fact that this girl was really shy didn't help at all.

Tried asking some female friends for advice and they weren't very helpful, nor was the male friend I've had the chance to ask so far. All he did was say it means I'm attracted to them and growing up into a man, but I don't feel that way and I find it highly uncomfortable. How do I talk to girls I don't know without freezing up and/or embarrassing myself?

Afterthought:  I can usually handle being introduced to female friends of people I know over Skype and whatnot unless they're purposefully making me uncomfortable with, say, discussion of sexual things past "that's what she said" jokes (yes, this is why no one has a problem thinking of me as being 10-12 years old), It's only a major problem if I'm talking to them in person.

Edit: typo fixed, I'm a derp.




"And if you feel that you can't go on, in the light you will find the road"
- In the Light, Led Zeppelin
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randomroads

How do you do it? Practice. Some people have a natural knack for being outgoing and able to talk to whoever they want. Others have to practice at it. It's like a muscle. If you don't exercise it then it won't get stronger. It's awkward as hell, but it's really the only way to get over it.
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Liminal Stranger

Quote from: randomroads on August 27, 2013, 11:12:03 PM
How do you do it? Practice. Some people have a natural knack for being outgoing and able to talk to whoever they want. Others have to practice at it. It's like a muscle. If you don't exercise it then it won't get stronger. It's awkward as hell, but it's really the only way to get over it.
It's not even a thing about being outgoing though, I know I'm an introverted person but I can get over it pretty quickly when talking to guys in person. This is something fairly new for me, even being looked at by a girl makes me want to crawl under a rock, especially if she seems "cute" because I get this terrible feeling of being judged by her and get really nervous and shy. Starting to think my friend is right and these are beginning signs of physical attraction, which I really don't need to start going through right now XD

It'd be so much easier if I knew what to talk to them about...




"And if you feel that you can't go on, in the light you will find the road"
- In the Light, Led Zeppelin
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Ltl89

If you don't mind, could I provide a female perspective?  Girls like guys with confidence and a good sense of humor.  You don't want to show your weakness when you approach a girl.  Some girls, like myself, don't mind that and find timid guys to be cute, but it's better to err on the side of caution.  When you approach them, don't worry so much about picking them up or impressing them.  Focus on showing why you are an interesting guy worth getting to know.  And I'm sure there are women out there who will want to get to know you.  Just develop the confidence to believe that yourself and they will see it as well. Plus, talking to girls is much more scary than it may seem.  We are people too and we won't bite.  :)

Good luck!
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Jack_M

Welcome to being a dude interested in relationships!  Lol.

The only way to really attack it if you're shy, learn how to act confident.  You don't need to BE confident, just need to act confident.  Few people actually have legit confidence.  I'm as shy and nervous as they come, but I've found a way to act over that.   DON'T lie, but just embellish what you have to appear more confident than you actually are.  Just start with hellos.  There's no one thing they want you to say, they just want you to say hello, exchange names, say who you are and/or what you do be is school or work, whatever.  Even just location qs; if they have an accent that gives them away, "So where are you from?"  There's no specifics, you won't know where a conversation is going until it starts.
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TheLance

This is definitely something I never had an issue with. I'm the silver tongued devil, lol. Everyone that said anything about confidence is 100% correct. Especially shy girls that aren't much for starting the conversation. You have to be the one to confidentaly start off with whatever interesting question you can come up with. Normally once yall start talking, things become a lot easier. And you can start with anything. Nice clothes she's wearing, the freakin' weather, noticing yall have a mutual friend, pointing out that wow, that's a really cool (insert item that she has that is cool). Or.you could go with immediate flirting, like how you noticed that she has a pretty smile. Some girls go for it, some roll their eyes and.lose interest. It all depends on the female.
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musicofthenight

Quote from: learningtolive on August 27, 2013, 11:49:31 PM
You don't want to show your weakness when you approach a girl.

Really?


Really?


Nah, Liminal.  Listen to the music.

Okay, so admittedly I'm not the most normal guy to give advice here.  (I still find physical attraction weird - it's a really uncommon occurrence for me.)  But in general weaknesses are adorable.  Maybe not the best thing for male self-image, but it does get you noticed.

Especially when you do buckle down and get stuff done anyway.  That's called courage.  The reason why women scare the pooh out of men is to give men something to be courageous about. 

So don't worry about that moment of fear.  You won't be able to hide it anyway.  (Guys are so easy to read.  And if I can read you, you bet yer bum that real girls can do it better.)  What matters is how you recover from it.

Like, a guy who's always needy and timid isn't attractive.  But it's not at all bad to have weaknesses and insecurities and nerd moments.  You just have to be a normal, well-adjusted human being too.

Might it help if I tell you the secret behind that laughter?

Laughter expresses fear and joy, especially a combination of the two.  The tricky thing is you have no way to tell what the cause of those emotions is, just that they're strong.  But if I had to guess, it's an expression of self-consciousness ("Why is he blushing for me?  I'm nothing special.") and... mmm, for lack of a better term female condescension* ("oo, he's soooo cute").

(*"patronizing" is a word.  This would be more like "matronizing."  If that makes sense.  It probably doesn't.  For now I'll gloss over a huge dissertation on gender theory with a sweeping generalization: men are drawn to the people they look up to; women are drawn to the people under their wings.)

Neither element of laughter is a bad thing.  Laughter's just your cue to do something brave and stupid.  Like smile, wave, say "Hey," approach them, etc.
What do you care what other people think? ~Arlene Feynman
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Ltl89

Quote from: musicofthenight on August 28, 2013, 01:01:17 AM
Really?


Really?



Perhaps I didn't word it well.  I'm not saying you have to fake confidence and not be yourself; however, you need to be self assured and feel comfortable with the conversation.  If a guy is too awkward and scared to talk, it may be picked up and worked against him.  Personally, I like shy and quirky guys too, but it depends on how it comes off. I'm just giving my honest opinion based on conversations with other girls on this subject.   

So my suggestion remains.  Be yourself and try to be as causal as possible.  Things will work out fine if you just focus on acting natural and being yourself.  That way you are focused on the conversaition at hand and not your performance.  I hope that makes sense. 
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Liminal Stranger

I suppose I should mention that I'm strictly going for friendship here  :P Not quite ready to delve into the wizarding world of dating again, if I ever do try my hand at it once more. Even just being able to strike up a conversation with one would be amazing, I don't get why it becomes a terrifying experience just because the other person isn't a guy >.>
Seriously, it makes me feel bad for having seemingly sexist interactions.




"And if you feel that you can't go on, in the light you will find the road"
- In the Light, Led Zeppelin
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birdline

I like to see myself as pretty confident, but even for me situations where you're caught off-guard like you were can be a shock to the system. You stand there looking shocked for a bit and suddenly you're in hindsight mode and regretting not being totally cool about things. I like to imagine myself as someone I view as confident, like Ryan Reynolds or Ryan Gosling (I have a thing for Ryans, it seems), and I feel more confident. Lasts about as long as it takes me to walk past a window, but that can take a while. I watch how people I see as confident approach things, and I mimic that until I can do it on my own. Don't pretend to be them, just try to do what makes you feel confident. What makes you feel confident and how can you put that forward to her? For me, this is wearing my favourite hoody and being somewhere familiar. Things like that can make up the different between feeling completely unable to do something and barely able. Barely able is still able!

Try to remain honest. If she's interested in you, part of the evolution of a friendship/relationship is getting past the awkward stage, and getting to know each other. There's nothing shameful about being shy, it's pretty natural. She is a person, you are a person. If she's shy, suggesting things like going to a concert, the mall, movie or lunch/dinner (I dunno what you're into?) can be the easiest way around things - it give you a pretty basic script:
"Would you like to do this thing with me?"
"Yes"

Ask her what she's into, what she thinks about things. If you know something about what she likes, talk. If not, ask her about it. Keep the conversation moving by asking her things. This makes it slightly less stagnant and also lets you into her brain a bit, you get to know each other.
"I hear you like this band."
"Yeah, they're great."
"I haven't heard much from them, but they seem really good - what are your favourite songs?"
Girls love it when you're into what they like, but don't fake it. Try to instead find a middle ground. Ask her questions. If she asks why you're asking so many questions be honest and tell her you want to get to know her. Don't dance around things like that. If she likes you, she'll be totally okay with you being interested in her.


The hardest part around talking to someone you like (or even just someone you don't know) is actually doing it. It's scary for some people, and it takes a lot of work to get over that. I still get scared talking to new people, and they're not even people I want to be friends with or date. I fake confidence until I am confident, but that takes practice.

You might know what to say but when you actually get to the moment it's pretty nerve throttling. Confidence is something you have to build, so practice in your head. You've talked to her a bit already and so use that as an example. She's shy, so that can make things harder on you - You're shy too, and so help yourself by knowing what you're going in there to talk to/ask her about. How would you react to her coming to YOU to talk? What would you say?

Be yourself, if she likes you that's usually enough. The awkwardness will pass. It's really hard and it sucks, but you've got to work at it. That's where friendship starts, usually. Right at the bottom.


And if you can imagine Ryan Reynolds/Gosling telling you all this, that'd be great, thanks. Good luck dude, relax!
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Kreuzfidel

Sometimes I have an issue with the same thing.  I have a wife, but I still find myself getting tongue-tied around women.  I always think about what they "may" be thinking about me ("he's ugly, stupid, boring") - and then I lose confidence and become a worm and crawl away, embarrassed.

But when I'm in a mood, I just go with the flow - and the one thing that is the big difference is the feeling of self-confidence and not thinking about what other people "may" be thinking of me.  Once I drop that worry, talking to anyone is easy - man or woman.

Sometimes what helps me is to think of the girl I'm talking to as my sister or another female in my life with whom I'm very comfortable around.  Just talk to them as I would my sister or cousin, etc.
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Liminal Stranger

Oh wow, just looked back through that initial post and realized I made a typo, 'twas her friend she was with, not mine. I don't know how I managed that one. Anyway, thanks for all the advice, ladies and gents! Guess the best thing to do is man up and deal with my anxieties about it. Though why this is suddenly such a big problem is beyond me, if it's puberty it picked a wonderful time to start while I'm trying to apply for college and dealing with all these diagnoses. Awkwardness and voice cracks and doctors galore, eh?

I wonder why girls give off this constant vibe of being judgmental, it's really weird.




"And if you feel that you can't go on, in the light you will find the road"
- In the Light, Led Zeppelin
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PixieBoy

I always get awkward, tongue-tied and stupid when talking to attractive people. Working in a woman-dominated place made it easier to talk to girls, but I still get shy and nervous around them. The thing where the voice just stops working happens to me a lot, too; I just sort of choke and can't get a single word out.

One thing that might help is to simply start talking about some shared interest, if you can find any clues to what the girl might like. "Oh, do you like Star Wars too?" if she wears a Star Wars tee, and stuff.
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Bookworm

All I can say is good luck. I am bi and and a introvert as well. I feel your pain. :( :( :(
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Ltl89

Quote from: Liminal Stranger on August 28, 2013, 11:07:35 AM
I wonder why girls give off this constant vibe of being judgmental, it's really weird.

You may just feel a little intimidated and that may create the perception that you are being judged.  Honestly, most girls aren't going to look down at you.  We enjoy a good conversation too.  Just be yourself and have fun.  You'll do fine. 
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Adam (birkin)

I've formed some pretty solid friendships with women just by listening to them. A lot of women are hard-up to find a guy who will really listen to their problems and genuinely care about them. Just like, try to understand where they are coming from and why what they are talking about makes them happy/sad/angry/whatever.
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DriftingCrow

Like everyone above said, confidence is key (though shyness does go over well with some girls). If you're just looking for friendships though, you shouldn't feel as shy as you might if you're trying to impress a girl to go out on a date, you want to be friends with people who like who you are, not who they think you are. (the same, of course, goes for dating too).

Like others said, you should practice talking to people. Like, the next time your mom drags you off to the mall, try chatting with some sales reps, or make a plan to talk to someone, like say "I'll talk to the first person who sits on the bench next to me" or so. Just developing better social skills will help you feel more confident when you go to make new friends.
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Brandon

 Dude I feel everything you just said, I'm shy to and I'm a straight transguy, And I'm having the same problem with his girl righ know, Accept I have her number and I'm still afraid to text her lol :embarrassed:, But I learned that you have to come out of that shy mode, The girl I'm talking to right know is just BEAUTIFUL, And alot of guys hit on her so I had to get her nmber and explain my situation with being trans she's accepting to and was very nice about it, Trust me its easy man

Goodluck
keep working hard and you can get anything you want.    -Aaliyah
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Liminal Stranger

Dunno...I guess this is another reason why the sexes seem to keep away from each other when puberty hits. I'd much rather go hang out with my bros than bother with this, but I feel sexist and want some more female friends so my mom stops yelling at me (but now she's constantly suspecting me of being in a relationship with one, trying to say I'm just confused or whatever). And I think some of them would make really cool friends...I'm just afraid I won't find any like that and will end up the stereotypical nerd they attempt to portray on the Big Bang Theory, except that I have no problem socializing with other guys.

It has just occurred to me that this is the most normal problem in my life right now. Nice to share an issue with the rest of the young population of the world.




"And if you feel that you can't go on, in the light you will find the road"
- In the Light, Led Zeppelin
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Brandon

I understand were your coming from, Sometimes you have to give it a shot though Ive learned that with women because you never know until you try, Yea I like o hang with my bros to but I also really want a gf , Its ok to be shy though
keep working hard and you can get anything you want.    -Aaliyah
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