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Request for Feedback and Potential Goodbyes

Started by Ltl89, September 13, 2013, 03:15:21 PM

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Devlyn

I don't know about anyone else, but I think we're still thanking you! Hugs, Devlyn
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Shantel

This thing that LtL has brought up brings to mind something that has been fermenting in the back of my brain. There are a lot of members here most of whom we never hear from after half a dozen posts or so. I don't think it's anyone's fault, but I do think that when a person's comments get ignored and there never seems to be any responses, that person feels like they are somehow being marginalized and ignored on purpose. I just want to point out that it's not necessarily true, that lots of others have read their posts and it just may be that no-one has anything substantive to add to it and they move to the next topic. Unfortunately sometimes those folks feel lonely not realizing that here at Susan's they are standing in a crowd, and so sadly they lose heart and leave.

Personally I'm sorry to see that happen because I've had those feelings before too and they are just that, feelings and we all need to realize that though we have made some terrific commentaries at times that no-one noticed or responded to, that we aren't really the center of the universe after all and it's OK. So everyone who ever gets those feelings, think of this and of the terrific response that LtL is getting from her friends. Everyone here is a valuable and worthy human being who unknowingly has dozens of admirers here at Susan's who will surely miss them if they should feel out in left field and suddenly leave.
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Devlyn

Quote from: Joules on September 15, 2013, 05:41:20 PM
LTL, you should stay...

TBH, I got a little irritated with you from time to time.  When I thought about it, I guess I would be jealous because you so often came up with the "definitive" answer to things before I had even thought it through.

Please stick around, you are a tremendous asset here.  You are a "classmate" to me, we started out about the same time and our progress has been keeping pace.  Besides, you can't leave until you post a pic of yourself.

I love the classmates reference.  When someone leaves here, not for bad reasons, just because they're ready and takes the time to say goodbye, I call it a graduation. I'm always happy for the graduates, I miss them but when you go visit your old school, the only familiar face is the janitor. And the urinals are way too low to use.
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suzifrommd

LTL, I'm asking myself the same questions. Many of my posts were an attempt to share my experiences and feedback where it might be helping.

Recently I left a couple of ill-advised  (but well-intentioned) posts that unleashed a blast of negative feedback my way (prompting apologies all around in the end).

But it got me to ask myself how much I'm really helping here. I spent a week or two taking a break from the site, while I thought about this. When I returned, I decided to scale back my "helpful" posts in a big way. Unless I think someone really needs my point of view, I'm working on keeping it to myself most of the time.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Bookworm

All I can stay is that it would love it if you stayed. You are a great person and I am sorry you have had some much grief as of late.
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Ltl89

Quote from: Shantel on September 15, 2013, 07:29:31 PM
This thing that LtL has brought up brings to mind something that has been fermenting in the back of my brain. There are a lot of members here most of whom we never hear from after half a dozen posts or so. I don't think it's anyone's fault, but I do think that when a person's comments get ignored and there never seems to be any responses, that person feels like they are somehow being marginalized and ignored on purpose. I just want to point out that it's not necessarily true, that lots of others have read their posts and it just may be that no-one has anything substantive to add to it and they move to the next topic. Unfortunately sometimes those folks feel lonely not realizing that here at Susan's they are standing in a crowd, and so sadly they lose heart and leave.

Personally I'm sorry to see that happen because I've had those feelings before too and they are just that, feelings and we all need to realize that though we have made some terrific commentaries at times that no-one noticed or responded to, that we aren't really the center of the universe after all and it's OK. So everyone who ever gets those feelings, think of this and of the terrific response that LtL is getting from her friends. Everyone here is a valuable and worthy human being who unknowingly has dozens of admirers here at Susan's who will surely miss them if they should feel out in left field and suddenly leave.

This is something I try to be very conscious about.  Whenever I see a serious topic with little feedback, it sort of crushes me.  While some topics may appear redundant to us, they are brand new for others.  It's important that new members get the feedback and support that they need.  So I always make a point to contribute whatever I can, as long as it's sincere and honest.  Still, I don't have the answers for everyone (I don't have them for myself) and my perspective can differ greatly from others.    That's sort of why I feel concerned about the possibility that my posts can be detrimental. I find myself thinking  things like ..."did I give inadequate support?  Did my posts contribute to others feeling negative or like they aren't getting adequate support here?"  That's why I feel a bit hesitant to post.  I just want to be helpful and make others feel that they are getting support even if my own individual contributions are small due to the limitations in my experiences and the circumstances of my life.  For example, if someone is having trouble with their spouse, I face the dilemma of leaving them with little or no feedback or offering a limited response.  I've never been married and won't ever have to come out to a spouse.  I can only share anecdotal stories that I know because others have experienced it or I can try to make a loose comparison to my coming out to my parents and sisters but obviously that is different for a multitude of reasons.  So do I give the most honest and helpful response that I can even if it is limited or do I allow that post to go nowhere and that person feeling dejected?  I feel that the former is the better scenario, but what if I'm wrong? I'll never pretend to have answers that I don't have, but I try to give as much as I can even if it's only a little.  Yet, perhaps some of my terse contributions may upset some people? What if my posts leave them feeling like no one understands them or their situation?  Also, even in the situations that I do have direct experience with, I may find myself given my perspective when someone's circumstances greatly differ despite the similarities.  I don't want someone to feel like I am saying "do this" or "this is the only way".  Nor do I want them to feel like no one else can relate to them.  There have been some situations that have made me feel cautious about posting, and I've received feedback which have proven my concerns right.  So I feel
cautious about posting and having unintended effects on people.  Perhaps I need to get over this.  Then again, I can't help but think of some of the posters who have left the site.  I find myself wondering about whether I added to their frustration or feelings of isolation on the site.  Even when I did my best to give support or try to offer whatever capacity of help that I could provide, maybe it would have been best for me to shut up.  My confidence is at a low, so I don't know.

In any event, I'm not going to leave, but I do admit that I feel weird posting.  I just don't know if these fears are worth paying attention to or if I should just continue doing my thing (so to speak).  I suppose I'm being to analytical and allowing my lack of self confidence to crush me.

Anyway, thanks again everyone for reading my incoherent ramblings and for your feedback. 
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Tessa James

Hey LTL you already know I think well of you and your posts here.  Plus I am going to call you on your expressed commitment to "be here for you" and even take on our adversaries.  I also know you experienced some negative feedback.  Some of my best friends were all over me last night about my hair.  OK we get that people who do care about us can still do and say things that just hurt.

I would love to quote from your own supportive posts but that may be seen as sarcastic so suffice it to say, please stick around !
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Shantel

Quote from: learningtolive on September 16, 2013, 05:25:48 PM
So I feel cautious about posting and having unintended effects on people.  Perhaps I need to get over this.  Then again, I can't help but think of some of the posters who have left the site.  I find myself wondering about whether I added to their frustration or feelings of isolation on the site.  Even when I did my best to give support or try to offer whatever capacity of help that I could provide, maybe it would have been best for me to shut up.  My confidence is at a low, so I don't know.

In any event, I'm not going to leave, but I do admit that I feel weird posting.  I just don't know if these fears are worth paying attention to or if I should just continue doing my thing (so to speak).  I suppose I'm being to analytical and allowing my lack of self confidence to crush me.

Anyway, thanks again everyone for reading my incoherent ramblings and for your feedback.

One thing to keep in mind is that none of us have all the answers and we can't possibly please everyone or meet their needs no matter how hard we try, we're all just flawed human beings. No one is infallible and it's possible to misread someone's post and say something that becomes a complete ->-bleeped-<- storm where everyone joins the feeding frenzy. I've been on the receiving end of those events and have had to eat some crow and apologize, forgiveness comes rapidly here. One thing no-one can possibly slight you for is making the effort to offer support to some hapless soul or offering a leg up to some newby. I wouldn't continue to be overly concerned about this hon, your heart is in the right place!
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Antonia J

Quote from: Shantel on September 15, 2013, 07:29:31 PM
This thing that LtL has brought up brings to mind something that has been fermenting in the back of my brain. There are a lot of members here most of whom we never hear from after half a dozen posts or so. I don't think it's anyone's fault, but I do think that when a person's comments get ignored and there never seems to be any responses, that person feels like they are somehow being marginalized and ignored on purpose. I just want to point out that it's not necessarily true, that lots of others have read their posts and it just may be that no-one has anything substantive to add to it and they move to the next topic. Unfortunately sometimes those folks feel lonely not realizing that here at Susan's they are standing in a crowd, and so sadly they lose heart and leave.

Personally I'm sorry to see that happen because I've had those feelings before too and they are just that, feelings and we all need to realize that though we have made some terrific commentaries at times that no-one noticed or responded to, that we aren't really the center of the universe after all and it's OK. So everyone who ever gets those feelings, think of this and of the terrific response that LtL is getting from her friends. Everyone here is a valuable and worthy human being who unknowingly has dozens of admirers here at Susan's who will surely miss them if they should feel out in left field and suddenly leave.

Very well said, Shan!

LtL - you should hang around. Maybe you just need a break for a bit?  Come back, if you do go, though. I have always seen you as a person like me trying to sort out and navigate through finding your identity, and I appreciate reading your posts.

Best wishes to you, whatever you decide longer term.
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JLT1

Quote from: learningtolive on September 16, 2013, 05:25:48 PM
Whenever I see a serious topic with little feedback, it sort of crushes me.  While some topics may appear redundant to us, they are brand new for others.  It's important that new members get the feedback and support that they need.  So I always make a point to contribute whatever I can, as long as it's sincere and honest.  Still, I don't have the answers for everyone (I don't have them for myself) and my perspective can differ greatly from others.    That's sort of why I feel concerned about the possibility that my posts can be detrimental. I find myself thinking  things like ..."did I give inadequate support?  Did my posts contribute to others feeling negative or like they aren't getting adequate support here?"  That's why I feel a bit hesitant to post.  I just want to be helpful and make others feel that they are getting support even if my own individual contributions are small due to the limitations in my experiences and the circumstances of my life.  For example, if someone is having trouble with their spouse, I face the dilemma of leaving them with little or no feedback or offering a limited response.  I've never been married and won't ever have to come out to a spouse.  I can only share anecdotal stories that I know because others have experienced it or I can try to make a loose comparison to my coming out to my parents and sisters but obviously that is different for a multitude of reasons.  So do I give the most honest and helpful response that I can even if it is limited or do I allow that post to go nowhere and that person feeling dejected?  I feel that the former is the better scenario, but what if I'm wrong? I'll never pretend to have answers that I don't have, but I try to give as much as I can even if it's only a little.  Yet, perhaps some of my terse contributions may upset some people? What if my posts leave them feeling like no one understands them or their situation?  Also, even in the situations that I do have direct experience with, I may find myself given my perspective when someone's circumstances greatly differ despite the similarities.  I don't want someone to feel like I am saying "do this" or "this is the only way".  Nor do I want them to feel like no one else can relate to them.  There have been some situations that have made me feel cautious about posting, and I've received feedback which have proven my concerns right.  So I feel
cautious about posting and having unintended effects on people.  Perhaps I need to get over this.  Then again, I can't help but think of some of the posters who have left the site.  I find myself wondering about whether I added to their frustration or feelings of isolation on the site.  Even when I did my best to give support or try to offer whatever capacity of help that I could provide, maybe it would have been best for me to shut up.  My confidence is at a low, so I don't know.

In any event, I'm not going to leave, but I do admit that I feel weird posting.  I just don't know if these fears are worth paying attention to or if I should just continue doing my thing (so to speak).  I suppose I'm being to analytical and allowing my lack of self confidence to crush me.

Anyway, thanks again everyone for reading my incoherent ramblings and for your feedback.

You just wrote why you should stay.  You think, You try, You care.

We are better off with you that without.  Keep doing your thing.  This is good.
To move forward is to leave behind that which has become dear. It is a call into the wild, into becoming someone currently unknown to us. For most, it is a call too frightening and too challenging to heed. For some, it is a call to be more than we were capable of being, both now and in the future.
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Aina

#30
Happy to hear your staying LtL, you know the same gesture ( Did not mean jester..not sure how I typed that)* you offer others stands true here also.

If you ever just want to talk hit me up, and I am positive I am not the only one here you can do so!
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Taka

to be perfectly honest, i didn't read that whole block of text too closely (sorry, i'm about to run to the boat that will take me home for work).
but i just really feel like i have to tell you this:

i like you and your posts. you try to make a difference, i admire that.
i'd be sad if you leave, even though i don't participate in all of the same conversations as you do.
we can't all agree on everything, but that doesn't mean that the ones we disagree with are less worth, and we can even like each other still.
i see you as a positive force on this site. the world is a nicer place with flowers like you in it.
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