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Hi from a post-op MTF De-transitioned "Back to Male" kinda guy

Started by retransition, September 13, 2013, 06:11:37 PM

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Hi all,
I started posting in the transition forum in this thread https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,148436.0.html but I didn't get a chance to stop by here and say hello.  I am Joel - my understanding of my own gender identity has taken some strange twists and turns.  Even though I "was" a post-op mtf trans woman I now identify as male (still post-op of course.)  Although I am fairly confidnent in my identity as a guy now it is still a little bit hard to navigate my way through this - especially as my own long detransition is starting to really intensify lately with some major milestones.  I am an old geezer by the way in my 40s.
My hope is that people can start talking about detransitioning without it becoming fodder for the forces of bigotry and oppression.  No matter how I identify now,  because of my life experience I will always be under of the transgender umbrella.  I am blogging about my experiences at retransition.org.  Any advice for how I can talk about this in a way that promotes tolerance and understanding I definitely appreciate.  Also, if anyone has questions about my ongoing experiences detransitioning (I prefer saying "retransition" becase "de" implies giving something up) or if someone just wants to talk please feel free to reach out to me either in a blog post or message (or both - if I am not responding to your blog post it just means I missed it.)
I am kinda hoping that the admins make a new forum here for detransition/retransitioning ( I put in a blog request).
Nice to meet you all!
retransition.org
"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go!"
Indiana Jones
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DriftingCrow

It's nice to meet you Joel!  :icon_wave: 

I hope you find love, acceptance, and support here. I think there is room here for people who detransition and those who taking transitioning on a different path, and your views and life experiences can always add in to the collective wisdom of the site.

Henry
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retransition

retransition.org
"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go!"
Indiana Jones
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Sandy

As the others have said, we accept all here.  And we all have to play nice.  And we do, really.

Welcome, Joel!

I'll be sure check out your blog.

What has a tendency to put people off about those who (re)transition is that they feel that it was a mistake for them. (no problem there, everyone's path is different)  But that it's also a mistake for all trans people and transitioning should either be made much more difficult or even banned altogether. (not cool, because, well, everyone's path is different)

I completely support you and respect the courage it must have taken to make such hard decisions.  I wish you well and if there is anything we can do to help, please know that we are here to help EVERYONE!

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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Ms. OBrien CVT

Hi Joel, :icon_wave:

Welcome to our little family. Over 7533. That would be one heck of a family reunion.

Feel free to post your successes/failures, Hopes/dreams.  Ask questions and seek answers. Give and receive advice.

But remember we are family here, your family now. And it is always nice to have another brother.


Janet  )O(

  
It does not take courage or bravery to change your gender.  It takes fear of living one more day in the wrong one.~me
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retransition

Quote from: Sandy on September 13, 2013, 08:38:37 PM
As the others have said, we accept all here.  And we all have to play nice.  And we do, really.

Welcome, Joel!

I'll be sure check out your blog.

What has a tendency to put people off about those who (re)transition is that they feel that it was a mistake for them. (no problem there, everyone's path is different)  But that it's also a mistake for all trans people and transitioning should either be made much more difficult or even banned altogether. (not cool, because, well, everyone's path is different)

I completely support you and respect the courage it must have taken to make such hard decisions.  I wish you well and if there is anything we can do to help, please know that we are here to help EVERYONE!

-Sandy
Thanks Sandy for taking the time for a thoughtful welcome.  One thing that I do not feel is that I made a "mistake".  I chose the best options for me available for me at the time based on based on what was available at the time.  I really think my gender dysphoria would have haunted me and held me back if I had not taken action. 

I think the gender community is 100% right in having 0% tolerance for people with regrets coming back in with the sole purpose of bashing them.  However I also think that is very much needed larger discussion (conducted with mindfulness, compassion and respect) about the differences between expectations and reality that we all experience to some degree after SRS (or even just transitioning and living full time) and the different ways we navigate that new reality.  I think starting to talk about it more openly is the only way people's understanding of gender variance and how best to deal with it is going to grow.

I am glad to be here.  I need you guys right now.

retransition.org
"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go!"
Indiana Jones
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retransition

Quote from: Ms. OBrien CVT on September 13, 2013, 09:49:05 PM
Hi Joel, :icon_wave:

Welcome to our little family. Over 7533. That would be one heck of a family reunion.

Feel free to post your successes/failures, Hopes/dreams.  Ask questions and seek answers. Give and receive advice.

But remember we are family here, your family now. And it is always nice to have another brother.


Janet  )O(

Thanks Janet.  I will remember that.  Does anyone mind if I bust out some Sister Sledge? :eusa_dance:


retransition.org
"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go!"
Indiana Jones
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: retransition on September 13, 2013, 11:33:05 PM
Thanks Sandy for taking the time for a thoughtful welcome.  One thing that I do not feel is that I made a "mistake".  I chose the best options for me available for me at the time based on based on what was available at the time.  I really think my gender dysphoria would have haunted me and held me back if I had not taken action. 

I think the gender community is 100% right in having 0% tolerance for people with regrets coming back in with the sole purpose of bashing them.  However I also think that is very much needed larger discussion (conducted with mindfulness, compassion and respect) about the differences between expectations and reality that we all experience to some degree after SRS (or even just transitioning and living full time) and the different ways we navigate that new reality. I think starting to talk about it more openly is the only way people's understanding of gender variance and how best to deal with it is going to grow.

I am glad to be here.  I need you guys right now.

Welcome, retransition!

I agree with this sentiment...if transitioning in the first place is difficult, then retransitioning is at least as difficult, perhaps even more so because once one decides to do so, they become persona non grata to the community at large. If transitioning is "swimming upstream", then the current against us are the naysayers who believe we're making a mistake, and "you'll be sorrrryyy!" And retransitioners, unless they are heard, make it look like more of us regret the initial transition than is the case.

I'm looking forward to reading the discussions about the differences between post-op transitional expectations and reality...since I will be facing that in the future.

Welcome to Susan's!

:)
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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Devlyn

Hi Joel, welcome to Susan's Place! I'm from Boston. I support all transitioners no matter what direction their path takes them. Detransitioners, retransitioners, stilltransitioners, they're all walking the same path with one thing in common: The destination is the same, happiness. Glad you found us, hugs, Devlyn
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Anatta

Kia Ora Joel,

Whichever direction one is travelling in, one can only safely navigate the journey one day/step at a time...

Welcome  :icon_hug:

And thanks for honestly answering my questions in your original post...

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Quote from: Beth Andrea on September 14, 2013, 12:27:13 AM
Welcome, retransition!

I agree with this sentiment...if transitioning in the first place is difficult, then retransitioning is at least as difficult, perhaps even more so because once one decides to do so, they become persona non grata to the community at large. If transitioning is "swimming upstream", then the current against us are the naysayers who believe we're making a mistake, and "you'll be sorrrryyy!" And retransitioners, unless they are heard, make it look like more of us regret the initial transition than is the case.

I'm looking forward to reading the discussions about the differences between post-op transitional expectations and reality...since I will be facing that in the future.

Welcome to Susan's!

:)

Thanks Beth.  Yeah it is too bad that once one detransitions there is so often a falling out with the community. I hope that gets better.  I think the majority of people who detransition have no problem with the trans community - it is just a few loud mouth bozos who make a bad name for us.  I am thankful for the support I have already gotten here.
retransition.org
"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go!"
Indiana Jones
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retransition

Quote from: Joules on September 14, 2013, 04:30:58 PM
Hi Joel,

Welcome!  We chatted a bit in your previous thread.

I admire your strength and courage in being open and honest about your path.

This may sound terrible, it's sort of the same thing that transitioners encounter on an initial transition, but are you sure re-transitioning is the right way to go?  I don't know your precise time line, but I'd guess that the practice of gender therapy has come a long way since you made your first transition.  I don't know if you are getting any form of therapy right now, but if not, I'd suggest you get on board with a gender therapist who is truly versed in current viewpoints.  I suggest this based on your previous comments regarding HRT, and what has happened for you when you have tried both T and E recently.

I sincerely wish you the best of luck, I'll try to be helpful as I can.
Hi again Joulse - of course I remember you from the other thread.  I am sure about my path but I also know never to know what to expect.  :-)  Thanks for the kind thoughts!
retransition.org
"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go!"
Indiana Jones
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retransition

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on September 14, 2013, 02:46:21 PM
Hi Joel, welcome to Susan's Place! I'm from Boston. I support all transitioners no matter what direction their path takes them. Detransitioners, retransitioners, stilltransitioners, they're all walking the same path with one thing in common: The destination is the same, happiness. Glad you found us, hugs, Devlyn
Right on about happiness!!!!  Thanks for the welcome!
retransition.org
"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go!"
Indiana Jones
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retransition

Quote from: Anatta on September 14, 2013, 04:19:19 PM
Kia Ora Joel,

Whichever direction one is travelling in, one can only safely navigate the journey one day/step at a time...

Welcome  :icon_hug:

And thanks for honestly answering my questions in your original post...

Metta Zenda :)
Thanks for the continued wisdom!  I am reminded of that saying about the journey of a thousand miles starting with just one step.  All we have is here and now.   
retransition.org
"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go!"
Indiana Jones
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gregb737

     Hi Joel,

     I am also a 47 year old, post-op MTF and detransitioning. I understand your situation and feel your pain if in fact you are in pain. My life basically fell apart after surgery. I personally wish the process was more restrictive; and in fact with Version 7, it is going to be as easy as buying a pack of gum at the convenience store. My therapists have me back on Testosterone (to stabilize me) and I am in horrible mental pain as my body remasculinizes. I really don't know which direction to go; seek a phalloplasty or attempt to retransition. I am open to your thoughts and suggestions Joel. If your not on the same path people; please don't bash me for your voice to be heard. Thanks.

Gregory
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Devlyn

Hi Gregory, welcome to Susan's Place! I'm from Boston. You won't be bashed here, we understand you're on a longer path than some people walk. See you around the site, hugs, Devlyn
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Heather

Quote from: gregb737 on October 14, 2013, 10:14:48 AM
     Hi Joel,

     I am also a 47 year old, post-op MTF and detransitioning. I understand your situation and feel your pain if in fact you are in pain. My life basically fell apart after surgery. I personally wish the process was more restrictive; and in fact with Version 7, it is going to be as easy as buying a pack of gum at the convenience store. My therapists have me back on Testosterone (to stabilize me) and I am in horrible mental pain as my body remasculinizes. I really don't know which direction to go; seek a phalloplasty or attempt to retransition. I am open to your thoughts and suggestions Joel. If your not on the same path people; please don't bash me for your voice to be heard. Thanks.

Gregory
I would never bash anybody for detransitioning, actually I think your voice should be heard so many of us think SRS is the cure to all life's problems when clearly it isn't. And it's hearing from those who are post-op and are not happy that makes me think about how far I'm willing to go with this. I wish you best all the best with your detransition and you find happiness in your life.
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Zumbagirl

I have been around this community long enough that I can say, you are definitely not alone, and not the only "retransitioner" I have encountered. The first time I encountered a retransitioner was about the year 2000 at an IFGE conference. I avoided talking to this person almost as if they had some form of detransition cooties. I lacked the confidence I have today to have a good discussion. I have also been around this little world long enough to know that every now and then religious groups will "plant" someone in order to talk someone else "out of the lifestyle" with talks of how rosy colored a jesus filled world is. I have also run into people who were duped and talked back to their birth gender only to become extremely depressed and suicidal that their own definition of who they are was stolen from them. I think what scares people in this community are the "plants". They are only out there to sow the seeds of discontent and nothing else. They bring no new thought to the table, just jesus this and jesus that. Without knowing, how is one to know a plant from a genuine person? Futhermore, how are some who are not quite confident yet to be able to react to what it is you have to say?

I see online all the time, the errors of other peoples ways, but you know what, it's not my life to live. Who am I to say what would or would not work for someone? But I have been around long enough to know when someone is about to make a big mistake. There are plenty of examples of unrealistic expectations, too much emphasis on hormones and not enough emphasis on the social landing zone. The boulevard of broken dreams is filled with half-transitions, people stuck in bad situations from coming out, people who shouldn't even do this in the first place. This process works for most and does not work for others. I don't consider any of that the fault of shrinks, surgeons or even bad water. Unless this is Iran, no one ever puts a gun to one's head and says do this.

I count myself among the happy post-transitional well adjusted people of the world. I was lucky in that I considered myself well adjusted when I started. The only thing I know about me that was wrong was my gender and I fixed it. The fact that I could come out the other end of the gender changing machine a whole well adjusted person is my testament that it does work, at least for me.

If you arrived at your place from thinking things through after your transition, then I applaud you for coming here and spilling your guts to the world. That alone takes guts. I only hope that the people who maybe should sit down and think this through 20 or 30 more times can learn from your words and thoughts before they become the next "retransitioner" out there in the world.
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retransition

Quote from: Heather on October 14, 2013, 11:35:03 AM
I would never bash anybody for detransitioning, actually I think your voice should be heard so many of us think SRS is the cure to all life's problems when clearly it isn't. And it's hearing from those who are post-op and are not happy that makes me think about how far I'm willing to go with this. I wish you best all the best with your detransition and you find happiness in your life.
Glad Gregory came by.  I totally appreciate him being here and I agree with Heather his voice needs to be heard. 
retransition.org
"I don't know, I'm making this up as I go!"
Indiana Jones
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