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Started by Ruruko, September 14, 2013, 11:08:00 PM

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Ruruko

Hello, I'm an MtF Transgender person living in the UK, I'm 18 (19 on the 26th) and I'm going to see a doctor and hopefully come out to them on an appointment next Friday.

I'm sure this thread might have been made before, but I'm new here and I'm still trying to get a hang of things

Unfortunately my family has unusual practices dealing with GPs, and we don't really have a regular doctor, so I don't know who I'm dealing with, their personality, and especially their attitude towards transgendered people. As for this doctor then, I'm hoping I can begin to see this one, someone regularly about this.

I want to begin HRT asap, but I have a couple questions for those living in the UK regarding the appointment:

1. How much do I need to tell the doctor?

2. Will they know other doctors which might be in the area that are better suited for this?

3. How expensive is this in the UK?

Thank you if you can help me on anything, please read on the thread as I may have more questions, this is a big step in my life and I'm hoping I've found people I can speak to
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Flan

NHS is supposed to be modernizing the process but for now the only thing you can do with a GP visit is just ask for a GIC (gender identity centre) referral and be prepared to wait. I'm not sure if doing a deed poll (name change) will make the GIC-hormone therapy-whatever process any faster since have to be admitted to GIC before they can tick off the boxes that result in hormone therapy.

Going private practice can cost a good bit but it's much faster and can have the rx converted to a NHS one; just don't count on NHS support for surgery though especially CX.
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Ruruko

I don't know a good amount about the health service here since It's not something I use often enough, so can anyone explain this a little better if they can?

Thank you for your help
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MaryXYX

Hi Ruruko, you can certainly talk to people here, and many of us have relevant experience.

The first step for most of us is to get our GP to send us to a psychiatrist who specialises in gender issues.  I wasted a lot of time with psychs who knew absolutely nothing and tried to treat me as something they understood.  One seemed to specialise in anger management so she was trying to find my anger and help me manage it.  By then I was angry about all the delays!  If the psych reckons you are trans - or at least questioning - they will put you on the waiting list for a gender hospital.  I'm in the South of England, so my local hospital is Charing Cross in London.  It took six months to get a first "assessment" and another five months to get a "second opinion".  After that they prescribed hormones - which I had been taking for about three years by then.

It doesn't cost anything to talk to your doctor, or for your doctor to send you to a specialist.  Hormones are on prescription and will cost whatever a prescription costs these days.  £7.85 a month I think (I don't pay it).  The hospital told my GP to send me for speech therapy and facial hair removal.  I got the speech therapy and a letter from my local health trust saying facial hair removal is expensive and they weren't going to pay.  The surgery is on the NHS at the moment, but with all the funding cuts who knows?
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Ruruko

Thank you for your help, it means a lot

As fr any type of surgery, I'm more than willing to spend money abroad for a surgeon who has lots of experience in what I'd like to do, such as FFS and GRS, so I'd be looking in countries like thailand or south korea
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MaryXYX

I have read several recommendations for Dr. Suporn ( http://www.supornclinic.com/ ) but I haven't done any of my own research as I intend to get my surgery on the NHS.  You would still need psychiatric assessments, and a lot of money!
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FTMDiaries

Hi Ruruko, and welcome!

The NHS has recently changed its rules (in August) so you won't need to see a psychiatrist. Hurrah!

You say you're in the UK but there are different rules depending on which country you're in. I'm going to presume it's England and answer accordingly.

If you're in a rush to start HRT, you'll need to go to one of the private gender clinics. There are a couple of good ones in London, but they're extremely thin on the ground outside the Capital. You'll also need to pay £200-300 per session for their services. They can write to your GP asking them to prescribe HRT for you, and they can also give you recommendations for good surgeons if you want some procedures done privately. All things being equal, you could be on HRT within a few months.

If you want to go the NHS route, your first step is to see your GP. It doesn't matter whether they're your regular doctor; just go to see them anyway. Tell them that you have concerns about your gender identity and ask for a referral to a Gender Identity Clinic (GIC). They may ask you a few questions about your life experiences, childhood, sexual practices (yes, it is inappropriate but some of them do ask) but they'll write to an appropriate GIC for you. Your doctor is not permitted to refuse to send you for treatment; it is against the law to discriminate against a patient due to their gender identity.

Now... here's the bit where you need to be sitting down. All the NHS GICs in the UK are heavily oversubscribed at present so you shouldn't expect them to come back to you quickly. In most cases it takes several months... or even a year or two... to get your first appointment through. You'll then have three assessments with a Gender Therapist who will determine a) whether you have Gender Dysphoria; and b) whether you have any mental health issues that need to be worked on. After they've diagnosed you, you'll be sent on to the clinic's doctor who will prescribe your HRT.

The time it takes to get all this done depends on the clinic, but in most cases you can expect to wait between 1-3 years before starting HRT. Some clinics are quicker than others, and you are entitled to attend any GIC in the UK; it doesn't have to be the closest one.

There is another way, however... if you're in a rush to start HRT, you can (with your GP's agreement) ask for 'bridging' endocrine treatment, which is where your GP puts you on HRT while you wait for your GIC referral to come through. But your GP can refuse this because they're legally responsible for anything that might go wrong.

Before contacting your GP, I recommend you familiarise yourself with the NHS Protocol for the treatment of Gender Dysphoria... and do yourself a favour: print it out & take it in to your GP, because trans* patients are rare so your GP might not be aware of the protocols.

Here is England's protocol: http://www.cliniq.org.uk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/nhsenglandinterimgenderprotocolcpag12072013.pdf
The info about 'bridging' treatments is on page 15. The new protocol encourages the NHS to pay for facial hair reduction (see p 22) and breast augmentation & FFS are available on a case-by-case basis (p 12)

I also recommend you read this document, which is aimed at telling doctors how to treat trans* patients: http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Transhealth/Documents/gender-dysphoria-guide-for-gps-and-other-health-care-staff.pdf This can be very helpful if your doctor doesn't have any other trans* patients and doesn't know what to do.

Flan mentioned about the Deed Poll: it depends on the clinic, but some clinicians will count the start of your RLE as being the date you changed your name for all aspects of your life. Mine did, which is the only reason why I'm on HRT in less than a year. But most GICs will count the start of your RLE as being the date of your first appointment.

Good luck!





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Ruruko

Thank you, thank you, thank you for all your help!

It's nice to talk to people who understand what I'm going through!

Here's a few things though:

1. I live close enough to Central London to be able to visit it daily, so I think that's good

2. Will the doctor I see be able to tell me about other doctors in the same area that might have dealt with trans-people before?

3. Since I don't have any regular doctor, I doubt they'll want to make any exceptions for me if they're held legal

4. FSS costs I'm guessing will only cover for surgery in England, I'm thinking of going to South Korea instead since I'm of Asian descent, and you can't blame me for wanting to look the like. If NHS doesn't cover for that, (which it probably won't), I'd still be happy to pay for the surgery.
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FTMDiaries

Quote from: Ruruko on September 18, 2013, 03:41:32 PM
2. Will the doctor I see be able to tell me about other doctors in the same area that might have dealt with trans-people before?

Your GP will probably not have that information to hand, but you should be able to request that they ask their local NHS authority to investigate this for you.

Quote from: Ruruko on September 18, 2013, 03:41:32 PM
3. Since I don't have any regular doctor, I doubt they'll want to make any exceptions for me if they're held legal

You're probably right... so if you want to go down this route, your goal is to start seeing them regularly so they can get to know you, and then talk to them about bridging endocrine treatments. They're more likely to help you once they're familiar with you.

Quote from: Ruruko on September 18, 2013, 03:41:32 PM
4. FSS costs I'm guessing will only cover for surgery in England, I'm thinking of going to South Korea instead since I'm of Asian descent, and you can't blame me for wanting to look the like. If NHS doesn't cover for that, (which it probably won't), I'd still be happy to pay for the surgery.

I'm confused... is there some reason why a surgeon in England won't be able to operate successfully on somebody of Asian descent? But yes, naturally the NHS pays for surgery in the UK and wouldn't pay for surgery in other countries without having a very good reason to do so.





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Ruruko

Quote from: FTMDiarrrrrrrries on September 19, 2013, 04:44:58 AM
I'm confused... is there some reason why a surgeon in England won't be able to operate successfully on somebody of Asian descent?
No, they can, but SK specifically deals with "medical tourism", and are known as a country for having the most cosmetic surgeries done, with as much as 20% of the female population over 20 years old being under the knife at least once, for example, instead of "where did you get that handbag?" would be something like "where did you get that nose?", the social stigma there attached to medical beauty is pretty much nonexistant.

Another advantage of it being such a popular thing to do in SK is that the same procedure done in the US would run you approximately 5 times more in than in SK, e.g a "double-eyelid" would cost $10,000 in contrast to $2,000. Not for an "excellent" job, but a "good" one. If you put that into pounds, I'd happily pay for it. Sure, it's not quite free, but from what I've seen in some portfolios in before and after pictures, I personally feel more comfortable going with SK.
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FTMDiaries

I've seen the results of some of those procedures (including the double-eyelid procedure) and they do look very impressive. And of course, there are some very well-known cosmetic surgeons in the Far East who specialise in trans* procedures.

If you want to go down this route, obviously the NHS won't pay for it; you'd have to pay for it yourself. But you could still save money by getting the rest of your treatment on the NHS if you wanted to.





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Ruruko

Thank you for all your help, I'll definitely consider some surgeries in England for some parts of the transition
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stormygordon

HI I am 43 and just started to transition.  I have felt different all my life and never knew what it was.  I am scared and feel very lost and alone.  I was worried about doing this so late in life however after reading other peoples posts I feel a little better.  I have tried putting on makeup and I need lots of help.  I am a fairly good looking guy however I want to be a pretty girl and I dont know where to start   
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Jamie D

Welcome "Stormy"! You have already taken the biggest step - self realization.

Read what others here are doing, discuss your situation, look for resources in your area, like therapists or support groups, and just start taking a few steps at a time.
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MaryXYX

Welcome Stormy.  A common mistake is too much makeup - specially applied without enough skill.  Shortly after I went public I went to a cosmetics booth in a big store and said I had just transitioned and didn't have a clue about makeup.  The assistant sat me down and spent half an hour teaching me.  After that I had to buy a few things, but I was intending to anyway - I just spent rather more than I expected to!  Now I rarely use any makeup, and when I do it's eye shadow and a restrained lip gloss.  I would only use the full works for a special occasion.

I second Jamie - a local support group is very good, if you can find one.  There is a lot of advice and opinion available here too.  Our experiences are going to be different but one important point is Never Give Up!
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Ruruko

hey people, I spoke to my doctor last Friday, and today he told me on the phone that after he phoned CxH, he said they still wanted a referral from a psychiatrist, and told me that it's going to take a while still, anywhere from 6 weeks to 6 months. I'm pretty sad that even though these things are oversubscribed that the NHS doesn't devote more resources to this, but at least I got things moving.

I booked another appointment with him next wednesday so we can talk about more things, is there anything else anybody wants to know that I should mention
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FTMDiaries

Yes. CHX is probably the most oversubscribed GIC in the UK, with extremely long waiting times not only for your first appointment, but also between subsequent appointments. If you're willing to travel outside London, try to get him to refer you to a different GIC (you have the right to attend any GIC in England).

Secondly, the rules changed in August so GICs are now supposed to accept direct referrals from GPs without needing a psych report first. It's there, clear as day on page 4 of the Gender Protocol which I linked to before (incidentally, the contact details for all the GICs in England can be found on page 25 of that same document). It's possible that CHX is insisting on the psych referral as a way to reduce the number of people on their waiting lists... which whilst understandable is rather worrying.

It's important to ask your doctor to quote the NHS England Gender Dysphoria Protocol of August 2013 when referring you to a GIC, so that whoever opens the letter is at least prompted to refer to the protocol and see that he's entitled to do so.

Please let us know how you get on... and good luck.





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MaybeJake

I'm not in the UK--NY State, actually--so can't really offer more than cheerleading from afar. Good luck! I'm sort of in the same boat--wanting to get HRT but haven't really talked to anyone in RL about it. Still trying to muster the courage to call my doc.

You're far braver than I, and your courage deserves a reward. I hope that you get everything that you want. And again: GOOD LUCK!

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