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Started by sarahb, September 16, 2013, 06:47:30 AM

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anjaq

Quote from: Jennygirl on November 06, 2013, 01:46:14 PM
Anja- I agree with Sarah. I think you've mulled over Yeson more than all of us combined and you should just be honest with yourself about wanting to have it rather than keep talking yourself out of it ;)
Of course I WANT it  ::) - well if I get a really good result, then I want it. Its just - I dont know if I will get a good result and I dont know if I could maybe do without and save the money, pain and risk. Everyone I try to mention this to tries to scare me away from it. One even said that she knows someone where the Y-suture failed and in the end she went to Dr Thomas in Portland who fixed that. Its the only time I heard by now that a Y suture failed and I could not get more info on where, why or how, but it leaves a bit of a dark spot on the procedure. I cannot afford getting this wrong if I am going to teach and I still need to know if I really cannot do it with training alone - 99% or so of the MtFs seem to do it that way and do fine, after all.

QuoteMaybe it's time to ditch the idea of having it in Germany (where it sounds like the results are unpredictable / sketchy) and go for the real thing. Voice therapy is always a great idea though and I'm not trying to say you should stop doing that.
I have not yet heard anything real solid on the things in Germany. I got no reply from the clinic in Berlin that I asked for informaiton, but I guess I overloaded them with all my questions for voice examples and such. I already am putting 500 EU, that is like $700 or so aside now monthly to fill a savings account, in case I need it for this. If not, I can make a nice vacatio and buy a new car if mine breaks down. I am trying to get an appointment for voice therapy for next month a few days after the visit at the voice clinic here where I want to have checked why I am missing some pitch zones and have such a roughness in the voice. if  that is really just still a lack of resonance control or some problem with the vocal cords. I guess if voice therapy goes well, I might be able to get a good voice out of it, then I will have to decide if I want to still do a surgery on that voice or not. The worst case is tha tI get no improvement and then I also dont know if I should do the surgery. After all, resonance control is still up to me.  Overall I feel uncertain still, even though I am a bit hyped up on your reports here and long for such a good and in a way easy solution to the wretched voice problem.

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You mentioned sounding the same as you do now. Well, it's true you will sound similar. But honestly, that's the best part- you're not going to sound like mickey mouse. You'll sound like a naturally higher version of yourself. All of my friends said that they loved my voice because it wasn't too jarring (believe it or not) and that they weren't thrown off by the way my voice sounded one bit... That it just sounded female and that was it.
:D *sigh*

QuoteSorry about the first part of the message. I'm not trying to peer pressure you into it, ya just gotta understand from our perspective- it seems silly for you to keep talking yourself out of it. At this point you know as much as you will know about Yeson.. shy of actually having the surgery yourself or meeting someone in person that has been through it.
Oh that would be  plus indeed. I am still learning from you all here about your results and how they come along. You really think it is silly of me to talk myself out of it? Sigh. Meh - a friend of mine was saying "oh you will do the surgery in Korea" after I talked a bit about it and mentioned I am savin money just in case I cold use it if I need to. He was quite certain I would do it LOL - why does everyone think so, just because I keep talking about it all the time I guess.
I guess all I want is a full, female , natural sounding and feeling voice that is achievable without too much effort. I need that. If therapy can give me that I am taking it. I suspect it will not or they claim that it will be if I do 100 hours until I get used to doing it all the time. The greatest peer pressure ATM is here in Germany where no one ever tells me anything but that VFS is a bad idea generally or at least totally unneeded. I guess part of why I am mulling over it so much is just that its been 13 years since SRS now and I am sick of having to deal with this still. Maybe its just my fault because I never did proper professional voice training over a long period of time... ah IDK - you might be right in the end. The idea of going to Yeson kind of nested in my head and is not leaving easily...


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sarahb

anajq, I think you're going about it the right way by focusing on voice training first. I actually do think it's bad to talk yourself out of it though, if it's really something you want. You shouldn't ever try to talk yourself out of anything, instead you should always strive to simply weigh the pros and cons and decide based on that which direction you prefer...this goes for anything in your life, not just whether to get VFS. However, if you've already decided that the pros outweigh the cons yet are still trying to talk yourself out of it for some reason then that doesn't sound healthy.

In the end, like Jenny said, unless you actually try to get face-to-face interactions and testimonials from those who have had it done then all you have to go on is what you can find here and around the internet. That's really all we ever have to go on most of the time, and that's why for a lot of us it's a time-consuming and exhaustive process of elimination before we decide on any procedure whether it's VFS, SRS, FFS, etc.

I would say just continue doing what you're doing. Get started on professional voice training and see how that goes. Continue to add to your savings just in case. In that case you'll keep both options covered and can decide later on whether voice training was enough or not. Depending on how long that goes for there might even be more testimonials from Yeson that could strengthen (or not) your desire to have it done.
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Jennygirl

Quote from: anjaq on November 06, 2013, 05:45:56 PM
The idea of going to Yeson kind of nested in my head and is not leaving easily...

I kinda sensed that ;) Lol!

Sounds like you are on the right track w/ what you want. That's all that matters.
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sarahb

So after much thought, I've decided that I'm going to take the chance and carry the surgery payment with me in cash. I know it's a lot of money to carry around, but I can't get over the fact that my luck so far hasn't been stellar. I've gotten sick a week before surgery. I've had to have my bank put a note on my account three times to make sure my card doesn't get declined. All I can think about is the fact that I'll get there and be all excited and happy only to have my cards be declined and not be able to have the surgery!

Seriously, I cannot wait until this is all done and over with and I can finally breath a sigh of relief knowing that nothing can get in the way anymore. Only 5 days until I can stop worrying!
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Jennygirl

Quote from: SarahR on November 06, 2013, 07:11:08 PM
So after much thought, I've decided that I'm going to take the chance and carry the surgery payment with me in cash. I know it's a lot of money to carry around, but I can't get over the fact that my luck so far hasn't been stellar. I've gotten sick a week before surgery. I've had to have my bank put a note on my account three times to make sure my card doesn't get declined. All I can think about is the fact that I'll get there and be all excited and happy only to have my cards be declined and not be able to have the surgery!

Seriously, I cannot wait until this is all done and over with and I can finally breath a sigh of relief knowing that nothing can get in the way anymore. Only 5 days until I can stop worrying!

Hey just be careful, it's going to be quite the wad of cash. I think it's a great idea though- especially if you are getting picked up from the airport. You'll probably save at least $250 in conversion fees, too. That's like getting food for free while you are there.

Lol @ "5 days until I can stop worrying". You haven't experienced anything yet. Prepare yourself for the after-surgery "oh crap I hope that didn't mess something up!!" ;)

It's going to be great, Sarah! I'm excited for you. Your voice is going to sound incredible out of the gates when you start to getting volume back.
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RachelAnne

Sarah,

I am assuming you are in the US. Be aware that if you carry more than $10,000 in cash and or checks you have to fill out IRS form 105  and turn it in to Customs at your departure (from US) airport. If you do not declare it then Customs can seize it if they find it (maybe at security?)

If something goes wrong in Korea and you fly back with say $12,000 in undeclared currency then it will be a huge problem.
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RachelAnne

Whoa!

Cash three lotto number in my last post. Post number 105 about IRS form 105.........Gotta be a sign!
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sarahb

Jenny, I'm going to hold on to that wad of cash at all times until I'm in the hotel room, at which point it's going straight into the safe! It'll be nice to hand over the responsibility for it to Jessie, lol! Yeah, I'm sure I'll have tons of stuff to worry about post-op, so don't go anywhere :) I'll need your support to reassure me that I haven't completely screwed up the surgery, haha!

RachelAnne, that's funny! 105 must be a lucky number today. I know about the $10,000 limit. I'm only going to be bringing $7,500 so I should be fine. I have been researching the TSA and security procedures and am aware that I may get questioned about why I am traveling with so much cash but as long as I'm honest and don't cause them issues then I should be fine. Thanks for the heads up though :)
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RachelAnne

Not a problem Sarah. I had my FFS in Argentina two years ago and I took traveler's checks. I had my form ready and took it down to Customs at ATL and turned it in. They then scowled at me while they checked every single serial number on 250 checks.
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Jennygirl

I don't think customs would even notice unless you were carrying gold bars or something. It's not worth mentioning to them.

Either way like you said yes you are under the limit so no worries. I'm sure you won't be questioned at all :)

And yes I'll be here for ya ;) No worries at all
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LizMarie

Sarah, can YVC take American Express Traveler's Checks? Those are far safer to carry. You might want to call and see?
The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away.



~ Cara Elizabeth
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Jamie D

Quote from: SarahR on November 05, 2013, 08:51:18 AM
Damnit, my worst fear has come true! Yesterday I started feeling scratchiness in my throat and last night I started getting a stuffy nose. Still sick this morning!! Seriously universe, I asked very politely to not throw any curve balls. I really hope it doesn't last long. I have just under a week to get better!

Lots of rest and plenty of fluids!
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RachelAnne

Jenny,

Hello from a Newbie. I'm Rachel and I am planning on a trip to Yeson early next year. I was originally planning VFS with Dr. Thomas but everything I googled kept coming up Yeson and tons of links pointed me here. I think I have gone over everything here about Yeson and have a few questions if you don't mind answering a few more.

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sarahb

Quote from: LizMarie on November 06, 2013, 09:32:12 PM
Sarah, can YVC take American Express Traveler's Checks? Those are far safer to carry. You might want to call and see?

No, they explicitly say they only take cash USD, credit card, or wire transfer. Unfortunately cash is the least stressful method of payment for me at this point. So long as I don't lose it, there's no chance of being declined like a credit card.
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Jennygirl

Quote from: RachelAnne on November 06, 2013, 09:41:08 PM
Jenny,

Hello from a Newbie. I'm Rachel and I am planning on a trip to Yeson early next year. I was originally planning VFS with Dr. Thomas but everything I googled kept coming up Yeson and tons of links pointed me here. I think I have gone over everything here about Yeson and have a few questions if you don't mind answering a few more.

Yeah no problem at all :)

Feel free to use any of the open threads here, I will see it!
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RachelAnne

Sarah,

When I went to Argentina I took traveler's checks. The doctors coordinator went with me to the bank and we converted them to cash right there and she had the cash when we left the bank.


Jenny,

Thanks so much. I was hoping you were not sick of questions yet.

Ok, did you book directly through Yeson or one of the medical tour companies that handle all the details and a coordinator is always available? Good idea either way?

Will not owning a cell phone be a problem? I will have my Ipad.

Any recommendations on lodging? Hopefully someplace with western toilets. The Japanese style ones would be murder at my age.

I do plan on seeing my dentist before I leave and have all my crowns checked. Might take a note stating their condition.

I will have my daughter with me. I adopted her from Korea 26 years ago when she was a baby. She has not been back and speaks no Korean but just having someone who appears to be local may make moving around less conspicuous.

Finally, how was the anesthesia? When I went to Argentina I had surgery on Wednesday and was supposed to spend a night in the hospital. I woke up on Sunday and spent a week in intensive care with no real explanation. Since I have been home I've had anesthesia twice with no problems at all. I'm hoping Korea will be more on the same level as we are here and I can avoid a problem like that again.

Thanks a bunch!!




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anjaq

Gee - reading these threads always makes me feel weirdly emotional and somewhat excited - this is what always gets me - such feelings mean something usually and this is why I said that it "nested in me head" ;) - Thanks for your words, Jenny and Sarah.
Quote from: SarahR on November 06, 2013, 06:21:20 PM
I actually do think it's bad to talk yourself out of it though, if it's really something you want. You shouldn't ever try to talk yourself out of anything, instead you should always strive to simply weigh the pros and cons and decide based on that which direction you prefer...this goes for anything in your life, not just whether to get VFS. However, if you've already decided that the pros outweigh the cons yet are still trying to talk yourself out of it for some reason then that doesn't sound healthy.
Well - what I want is to live without worrying about my voice and have a good voice. Thats what I want. I dont want surgery, it is more a thing that may be needed to get what I want. And the trick now is to find out if it is needed or not, if I can manage without or if I would be much happier with surgery. That has to match up with the risks and downsides involved in doing it. The pros and cons - well yes, I am collecting them, I try to collect them, though there is little to go on except you folks here ;) and some of the less than good reports from my home country. I will try and meet someone who did the Y suture probably in Berlin 10 years ago and see what she says (and how ;) ). Its not Yeson and its 10 years ago. I remember she sounded quite a bit too high pitched right after the procedure though, I guess they did a bit too much of suturing or maybe she got several procedures done at the same time (plus she smoked (!) in the weeks after VFS :shock: ) . Anyways - pros and cons. I try to find them with the limited reports I get. In the end like all such decisions it is one that will be made from the heart and intuition with me. i know this - I can read all the pros and cons and try to make an informed decision but if my heart comes into play, some of that is just ignored ;) - this is what is worrying me a bit. When I read this here and hear it - my heart goes "I want this; Get it; Now;" ;) - and my mind tries to say "we have to look at the pros and cons and if there are too many cons we have to decline it" - and then my heart says "I dont care, I want it; Screw the Cons". LOL - often my heart wins in these fights. Especially now so long post transition ;) - Often it is right, the intuition but sometimes it is dead wrong, so I dont want to be "mindless" about it.

Re the cash - I was also thinking that maybe taking traveller checks and convert them right before payment would be an option that is safer? But it costs a large fee I think, right? But be safe - I guess many people know that there are Westerners with very big pockets walking around in that district with all the plastic surgeons and such...

Since I just read another date is due for Rachel in just 3 months (yay - more examples to listen to :) - hopefully, Rachel?) - how long does it take from calling them first to actually going there - whats the waiting list. Do you need to plan a year in advance ?



In the end, like Jenny said, unless you actually try to get face-to-face interactions and testimonials from those who have had it done then all you have to go on is what you can find here and around the internet. That's really all we ever have to go on most of the time, and that's why for a lot of us it's a time-consuming and exhaustive process of elimination before we decide on any procedure whether it's VFS, SRS, FFS, etc.

I would say just continue doing what you're doing. Get started on professional voice training and see how that goes. Continue to add to your savings just in case. In that case you'll keep both options covered and can decide later on whether voice training was enough or not. Depending on how long that goes for there might even be more testimonials from Yeson that could strengthen (or not) your desire to have it done.
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LizMarie

Ooh, that's a good thought, Rachel! Carry traveler's checks for safety and convert to cash once in country. I need to make note of that.
The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away.



~ Cara Elizabeth
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Jennygirl

Quote from: RachelAnne on November 06, 2013, 10:30:41 PM
Jenny,

Thanks so much. I was hoping you were not sick of questions yet.

Ok, did you book directly through Yeson or one of the medical tour companies that handle all the details and a coordinator is always available? Good idea either way?

Directly through Yeson, it was the only way I knew how to do it

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Will not owning a cell phone be a problem? I will have my Ipad.

I survived okay with an iPad :)

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Any recommendations on lodging? Hopefully someplace with western toilets. The Japanese style ones would be murder at my age.

I stayed at a place called Hotel Prince Seoul, but I think Abby had better and closer accommodations. For me it was about 1,300 for the two of us for the stay

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I do plan on seeing my dentist before I leave and have all my crowns checked. Might take a note stating their condition.

Probably a great idea if you have invested money in your teeth. It's a real risk

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I will have my daughter with me. I adopted her from Korea 26 years ago when she was a baby. She has not been back and speaks no Korean but just having someone who appears to be local may make moving around less conspicuous.

That might indeed help! When I was there my friend knew someone who lived close by. Even though she was American, she knew the ropes and for some reason we got less stares when we were with her. She also assured us that it's not weird to be stared at in the first place.

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Finally, how was the anesthesia? When I went to Argentina I had surgery on Wednesday and was supposed to spend a night in the hospital. I woke up on Sunday and spent a week in intensive care with no real explanation. Since I have been home I've had anesthesia twice with no problems at all. I'm hoping Korea will be more on the same level as we are here and I can avoid a problem like that again.

Thanks a bunch!!

There is a risk of becoming violent while you are under, and that puts risk on dental as well due to the endoscopic tube being in your mouth. That instrument is made from stainless steel.

Dr Kim will describe these risks to you in detail during your pre-op exam, or you could ask Jessie for them now.

She has been very responsive in my experience with her- until this last time which took her a week and a half to get back. In her email, she mentioned that they've been booking many more patients. So it's possible that she has a lot of messages in her inbox right now, but she will get back to you. My message was just a check in, too, so a quick response wasn't necessary anyway.

I would send her an email though, she can answer your questions best and her English is great.
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RachelAnne

I knew I forgot one.....any trouble swallowing pills afterwards?
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