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Washington Times Op-Ed: Transgender Equality Movement Will "Dismantle" Civilization
LUKE BRINKER, October 9, 2013 11:57 AM EDT

An op-ed in the conservative Washington Times assailed the campaign for transgender equality, lamenting that "you no longer need lady bits to be a lady" and asserting that the LGBT movement is part of a broader left-wing effort to "dismantle" Western civilization.

In an October 9 column, the Media Research Center's Matt Philbin complained that it's becoming increasingly unacceptable to misidentify transgender individuals. According to Philbin, the notion that we should respect a person's gender identity is emblematic of a larger leftist cult of identity:

QuoteMy privilege invalidates my perspective on how you identify.

If you had to read that sentence twice and maybe are still unsure what it means, you're woefully unfamiliar with contemporary liberal-speak. You see, "identify" and "privilege" are terms with great currency on the left these days. They are also two sides of the same magic coin, minted to instantly quash dissent and silence argument.

This became abundantly clear recently when I made the mistake of commenting on Twitter about the latest 6-year-old "Princess Boy" news story. My crime, according to the liberals I offended, was declining to call a boy a girl. I'm rather a stickler for reality, and because the child was a biological boy, to my benighted thinking, the male pronouns still applied.

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:icon_weirdface: If only there weren't people this ignorant in the world...
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Amy The Bookworm

Ok here's something I really don't get about ultra conservatives.

For the sake of arguing my point, let's say this man is right and 'liberals' (these days, anyone who isn't a far right leaning republican) are, OMGdestroyingsociety by demanding that the poor should be treated better, the middle class deserves to actually get paid for a job well done, and that all people are equal and deserve respect and basic human rights.

So, like I said, let's say he's right. For the sake of argument, let's say 'liberal politics and morals' (as in anyone who is not an ultra religious conservative republican) is destroying the fabric of society. Let's just say that's actually happening.

Why is it they think anyone who thinks differently from them is involved in a MASSIVE CONSPIRACY to INTENTIONALLY destroy society? They literally talk as if more than half of the U.S. population is intentionally out to destroy the nation, manhood, marriage, and western civilization, when all they really want is to be left alone to live, be paid a livable wage, and for all people to have the opportunity for a decent affordable education and to be given basic human rights and equality that everyone else enjoys.

What, exactly is society destroying and evil and scary about that?

I really could understand if there was a disagreement with methods. I could understand if procedure was an issue, or maybe some political sticking points. But to scream that people are actively trying to destroy society is just ... it's so stupid, especially since conservatives and liberals should have similar goals even if their methods differ, which over all that goal should be to make the world a better place for everyone.

Why are these people so ... afraid? Do they really think the sun won't rise in the morning if LGBT people have equal rights to housing and employment and medical care as everyone else? Really?!

I do think we as a society actually need both conservative and liberal view points to survive and function properly as I truly feel too much one direction or the other isn't necessarily a good thing. But ... for so many conservatives in the united states to be actively afraid of the other view points, actively promote despair over the possibility of equal rights and promote fear of 'the other' in this way instead of working to find an acceptable middle ground ... It's just so stupid. It also makes those farther to the right in my mind, appear to be mentally unstable.

To these people, even President Reagan would be a raging liberal these days.

I just don't get it. I really don't.

What the hell are they afraid of?
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Shantel

Well he's out to lunch, I along with many others here are conservative TG folks, so we might as well consider that this person is suffering from rectal/cranial inversion and is blowing smoke out of his a** as so many media types do now days in an attempt to create a news story.
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Lexi Belle

I knew I had dark tendencies. I'm glad I found my calling. c:<

Idiot. ._.
Skype- Alexandria.Edelmeyer
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Lexi Belle

Quote from: Beth Andrea on October 10, 2013, 11:36:32 AM
The reason they believe that (speaking as a former pseudo-conservative/liberal unified person) is because the Left is actvely trying to destroy *their* society, their view on "The Way Things Ought To Be."

At a former workplace, we'd have meetings about how to resolve certain issues, make policy, etc. One of the questions that would be asked during disagreements was, "Ok, there have been presented several ways of fixing this problem...let's decide first if they're all going more or less in the direction we want to go, before deciding on a particular course."

The Left--and the Right, but with less coordination--does this. They don't get together and conspire, but generally will keep things headed in a particular direction. It's like this, if there's 50 newspapers in the US, and they're all owned by transgender people...generally one would expect pro-transgender leanings of those papers. Not because of a conspiracy, but just because of shared values.

The far-right is getting more and more marginalized...that's why it's becoming more and more reactionary. We should try to include them at the buffet of diversity.

Mr. Brinker makes a fundamental error:

He's looking at the corporeal body of the male child, and insisting "male pronouns still applied." We, as people who are transgendered, know that pronouns should be used to address the person, not the body (since we, as a society, should value the person more than any physical thing), and from that perspective, try to persuade him and others like him (not "ilk") to think more in person-hood terms, not physical terms.

It's not impossible. 100 years ago most of what we see as "normal" in society didn't even exist. Societies can, and have, changed before. But not "societies"....just the people within. People only become dangerous when backed into a corner...so let's not back anyone into a corner, ok?

What you fail to realize is the hatred and "ilk" like views he gives about us, he in effect is doing exactly what you're telling us not to.

In the end the best course of reaction I feel would be to ignore their views, but to an extent.  We should be standing for who we are and what we believe ourselves to be, anything ill-minded such as this should just be silently voided.  If we do this, then show that we aren't freaks, we aren't hostile and that we are just people trying to live our lives with some ounce of acceptance, THEN I feel people will start softening up.  Activism is good, but fighting ignorance in my opinion is just a waste of time.
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Heather

Oh shoot now I'm now going to have to think of another way to destroy society. It was such a good plan too, and I could have gotten away with it too if weren't for those meddling ultra right wing conservatives!  >:-)
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Amelia Pond on October 10, 2013, 09:07:39 AM
I'm rather a stickler for reality, and because the child was a biological boy, to my benighted thinking, the male pronouns still applied.

So are we to understand that Mr. Brinker asks folks to drop their pants so he can decide whether to call them "sir" or "ma'am"?

I wonder how that goes over.
Have you read my short story The Eve of Triumph?
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Lexi Belle

Quote from: Beth Andrea on October 10, 2013, 12:21:34 PM
I am well aware of how ignorance and fear are used, by *both* the left and the right. I'm saying that if we truly value diversity, we have to include people like these among us...otherwise we're not truly diverse.

"Diversity" doesn't mean we all think alike nor that we have all the same values. Yes, this means sometines we will encounter values contrary--and opposed--to our own. Yes, ideally since we all want to be left alone to just live, we should leave them alone...but to isolate them by silence is to create an anger which often results in violence.

Ignorance is bad enough...but when we respond with ignorance, it gets worse.

I fail to see how not engaging in ill mannered conversation with ill minded people is ignorance.  The difference between us would be, we listen to them. They don't listen to us, that is where they are ignorant and we are not.
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Ltl89

All I read was "Washington Times Op-ED and transgender".... nuff said.  Did anyone think they would have a nuanced view on the plight of transgender people?  They have been one of the most hardcore social conservative papers for years. 
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Paige

I believe the Washington Times is stilled owned by Sun Myung Moon.  And they think we're crazy.
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Lexi Belle

Quote from: Paige on October 10, 2013, 01:36:30 PM
I believe the Washington Times is stilled owned by Sun Myung Moon.  And they think we're crazy.
He's dead, AFAIK.
Skype- Alexandria.Edelmeyer
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Paige

Quote from: Nidalexi on October 10, 2013, 01:41:35 PM
He's dead, AFAIK.

Darn and I never got an invite to the funeral.  I guess his family and the editors now control it.
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